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How Realistic Is Kim Jong Un? (1 Viewer)

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One can't look at a photograph of Kim Jong Un and not be impressed by how young he looks. Here's a lad who was raised on the rhetoric of his father and grandfather, who has a strained relationship with his own military (he had one general executed by mortar fire for being insufficiently enthusiastic about his ascension to power). One wonders if he has a realistic appreciation of the limits of his military and their capabilities. Is there a general who is able to talk to him and explain the situation? I kind of doubt it.

It's clear that he has no clue about how comical his sabre rattling looks to the outside world. Usually this kind of rhetoric is a pretext for demands for additional material support, but China reports that Un isn't being mollified by their offers. The only other explanation I can think of for his behavior is that it's the result of some sort of internal convulsion.
 
One can't look at a photograph of Kim Jong Un and not be impressed by how young he looks. Here's a lad who was raised on the rhetoric of his father and grandfather, who has a strained relationship with his own military (he had one general executed by mortar fire for being insufficiently enthusiastic about his ascension to power). One wonders if he has a realistic appreciation of the limits of his military and their capabilities. Is there a general who is able to talk to him and explain the situation? I kind of doubt it.

It's clear that he has no clue about how comical his sabre rattling looks to the outside world. Usually this kind of rhetoric is a pretext for demands for additional material support, but China reports that Un isn't being mollified by their offers. The only other explanation I can think of for his behavior is that it's the result of some sort of internal convulsion.

I think he has delusions of grandeur..he will try his arm on South Korea first..and then he will nuke the USA...
 
I call him Kim Jung Oink because he reminds me of Porky Pig. What a joke he is, but somebody like him can be very dangerous because it is obvious he has a severe inferiority complex.

Maybe we should send Dennis Rodman back over there to appease him, or was it Dennis that riled him up? Notice how he got real rambunctious right after Rodman left.
 
In Kim's mind he is realistic. The probably as I see it is that Kim has little knowledge of the real world and he cannot possibly understand that. He is playing a very dangerous game and he is pissing off a lot of people, even China. Kim is like a monkey with a machine gun in that he can be extremely dangerous because he has no idea what he is capable of.

The U.S. being a strong ally of South Korea will have no choice but to respond if NK attacks South Korea. We have something like 30,000 American troops in South Korea who are in harm's way as well. I think diplomacy is extremely difficult for the Obama Administration. Obama must send a very strong message to Kim without provoking him to cross a line. Kim must understand that any attack on SK will be met with devastating force from land, sea and air. It is a delicate situation because, IMHO, no one is certain as to what Kim's reality is at any given point in time. ,
 
I think he has delusions of grandeur..he will try his arm on South Korea first..and then he will nuke the USA...

He's rearing his ugly head because he figures America is now weak, having Obama for its leader. It's a shame we went into Iraq during Bush's tenure because his daddy was talking nuking the US even back then. Going after North Korea would have made sense, then.
 
In Kim's mind he is realistic. The probably as I see it is that Kim has little knowledge of the real world and he cannot possibly understand that. He is playing a very dangerous game and he is pissing off a lot of people, even China. Kim is like a monkey with a machine gun in that he can be extremely dangerous because he has no idea what he is capable of.

The U.S. being a strong ally of South Korea will have no choice but to respond if NK attacks South Korea. We have something like 30,000 American troops in South Korea who are in harm's way as well. I think diplomacy is extremely difficult for the Obama Administration. Obama must send a very strong message to Kim without provoking him to cross a line. Kim must understand that any attack on SK will be met with devastating force from land, sea and air. It is a delicate situation because, IMHO, no one is certain as to what Kim's reality is at any given point in time. ,

He is doing all this to impress the North Korean people. I'm quite sure that the NK military is concerned about his insanity, but they don't dare dispute him for fear that they will be murdered in their sleep. I don't see him backing down because he has stepped way too far over the line. If he backs down, he will be seen as weak, and that's what he doesn't want. The American military needs to be on full alert and take his actions as a serious threat before it's too late.
 
He's rearing his ugly head because he figures America is now weak, having Obama for its leader. It's a shame we went into Iraq during Bush's tenure because his daddy was talking nuking the US even back then. Going after North Korea would have made sense, then.

He's doing what he's doing because he's ****ed in the head. Contrary to your opinion, not everything bad happens because of Obama. He'd be doing the same thing if Romney won.

We can't go storming in there because of the Chinese. Unlike Kim, the Chinese are capable of planting a nuke on California, or probably just about anywhere.
 
He's rearing his ugly head because he figures America is now weak, having Obama for its leader. It's a shame we went into Iraq during Bush's tenure because his daddy was talking nuking the US even back then. Going after North Korea would have made sense, then.

He is rattling his sabre..do you know the potential nuke factor that N Korea has???
 
He is doing all this to impress the North Korean people. I'm quite sure that the NK military is concerned about his insanity, but they don't dare dispute him for fear that they will be murdered in their sleep. I don't see him backing down because he has stepped way too far over the line. If he backs down, he will be seen as weak, and that's what he doesn't want. The American military needs to be on full alert and take his actions as a serious threat before it's too late.

Which is why the B2s flew over for the exercises with South Korea. Just to remind him that we are capable of taking him out without him seeing it coming.
 
They might get one to explode? Maybe...

Ok let's do equations..

Nutter..with loads of money + taking over his father's failure=WHATEVER

Bit like Bush..
 
He's doing what he's doing because he's ****ed in the head. Contrary to your opinion, not everything bad happens because of Obama. He'd be doing the same thing if Romney won.

We can't go storming in there because of the Chinese. Unlike Kim, the Chinese are capable of planting a nuke on California, or probably just about anywhere.


We have Clinton to thank for those missiles aimed at the US. Remember back when he made sure we shared missile technology with the Chinese, who "only wanted to launch some satellites" in the air? Well, that isn't the case now, because China is so advanced now that they are now selling missiles to Iran.

So what do you think we should do? Wait until Kim's missiles are in the air before we respond? I would hope that would not be the case because then it will be too late.
 
Ok let's do equations..

Nutter..with loads of money + taking over his father's failure=WHATEVER

Bit like Bush..

I'm far from a fan of Bush, but he doesn't compare to Kim. If I'm not mistaken, they've had a few nuclear tests that didn't work out very well.
 
We have Clinton to thank for those missiles aimed at the US. Remember back when he made sure we shared missile technology with the Chinese, who "only wanted to launch some satellites" in the air? Well, that isn't the case now, because China is so advanced now that they are now selling missiles to Iran.

So what do you think we should do? Wait until Kim's missiles are in the air before we respond? I would hope that would not be the case because then it will be too late.

I know, they might crash into the ocean. Think of all the fish....

China had the capability before Clinton. Try harder.
 
I'm far from a fan of Bush, but he doesn't compare to Kim. If I'm not mistaken, they've had a few nuclear tests that didn't work out very well.

Well that's worse..nutter+nuclear bombs (that don't work very well) = chaos!
 
He is rattling his sabre..do you know the potential nuke factor that N Korea has???

In the past, he had problems with things working right during testing, but he might be buying missiles form the Chinese, or even the Russians, so I wouldn't want to discount him at this point.
 
I know, they might crash into the ocean. Think of all the fish....

China had the capability before Clinton. Try harder.

I know you are probably going to say that George H Bush helped out China before Clinton but that was not the case because Bush disapproved the export of US satellite components to China. The buck stopped with Clinton, who released the technology to China. Back in 1993, China's capability was severely limited. They were at the stage that North Korea purportedly is at, now. Thanks to Clinton and his okay of the sale of "satellite technology" to China, China is now capable of hitting any city in the US using state of the art missiles with computerized guidance. Why did Clinton do something like this, which in any other country would be deemed a traitorous act? It was because he, like Obama believe in Globalism, the leveling of the playing field, so that there is no one superpower, and that everyone has the same types of weapons, even crazy people like Jim Jung Un.
 
One can't look at a photograph of Kim Jong Un and not be impressed by how young he looks. Here's a lad who was raised on the rhetoric of his father and grandfather, who has a strained relationship with his own military (he had one general executed by mortar fire for being insufficiently enthusiastic about his ascension to power). One wonders if he has a realistic appreciation of the limits of his military and their capabilities. Is there a general who is able to talk to him and explain the situation? I kind of doubt it.

It's clear that he has no clue about how comical his sabre rattling looks to the outside world. Usually this kind of rhetoric is a pretext for demands for additional material support, but China reports that Un isn't being mollified by their offers. The only other explanation I can think of for his behavior is that it's the result of some sort of internal convulsion.

The more important thing is that North Korea's military has a degree of understanding of its limited capacities. That limit, in turn, will make it difficult for Kim Jong Un to easily push North Korea from its path of provocation to all-out war. Its bark of propaganda may be loud, but it very likely won't go beyond shelling or smaller-scale attacks for the time being.

As for Kim Jong Un, I have little reason to believe he does not view North Korea as a major power. To do less would be to abandon the "truth" of what Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-il constructed. To acknowledge or accept any limitations would be to cast doubt on their "immortal" achievements. Those "achievements" are Juche (self-sufficiency) and Songun (a powerful military-centered society). The former explains North Korea's willingness, even in the face of starvation from time to time, to maintain its isolation. The latter explains its unwillingness to abandon the path of nuclear arms, even when offered enormously generous incentives that would leave its people potentially dramatically better off than they are today.

The longer-term danger is that the mix of Juche and Songun is unsustainable. Under Juche, North Korea cannot do more than provide for the basic needs of its citizens, even as the gap between its living standards and those of its neighbors continue to widen. Under the latter, North Korea gains an increasing capacity to inflict devastating harm on its neighbors and gains psychological confidence in its power to prevail. Today, were the U.S. to refuse to supply any food to North Korea, North Korea would be more likely to take the path of least resistance and moderate its conduct. In other words, the U.S. still possess leverage to make diplomacy effective.

In the future, such a move could make North Korea more willing to take larger military risks in retaliation, hence the bargaining power that might exist today to deter North Korea's bad conduct or to pursue effective diplomacy would erode. At that point, there would also be greater danger that North Korea could decide to roll the proverbial dice to "break out" of its current predicament, perhaps coercing its neighbors to meet its demands with the willingness and ability to retaliate at a scale much larger than its past provocations if they don't. The size of its nuclear arsenal and performance improvement in its missiles might be critical determinants of that path.

Finally, one should not expect Kim Jong Un to embrace political reform that would lead to his regime's possibly losing its position of leadership. Aside from a military coup (very unlikely at present), the regime would use force to maintain its power. Moreover, the idea of its being absorbed into South Korea as had been the case with East Germay's being absorbed into then West Germany is also out of the question. Kim Jong Un does not view North Korea as a junior partner to such a unification. He would likely insist that South Korea become part of the North, not the other way around, even as the South's population, economy, and wealth vastly exceed the North's.

All said, once the noise of the North's loud rhetoric, harsh threats, and occasional provocations is set aside, North Korea remains on a status quo path. It continues to choose the path of self-isolation. It continues to pursue its nuclear weapons program. No changes are likely anytime soon. At the same time, a large-scale attack on South Korea or American military bases in the region remain unlikely.
 
He's doing what he's doing because he's ****ed in the head. Contrary to your opinion, not everything bad happens because of Obama. He'd be doing the same thing if Romney won.

We can't go storming in there because of the Chinese. Unlike Kim, the Chinese are capable of planting a nuke on California, or probably just about anywhere.

So your conclusion is to sit back and wait until parts of the US are a smoking radioactive waste land?
 
Dude. Cut the guy some slack. He needs to do whatever he can to impress his people and cultivate his cult of personality.

I am quite certain that kim jong un is well aware that his country has got no chance of being a military threat to any major power. And I'm also equally certain that China doesn't give a damn about N. Korea except in a "in your face" sort of way towards the USA.

We will keep on seeing poorly made videos that wouldn't pass mustard with a 5yrs old, inflamatory speeches from him and all sort of non-sense.
 
Dude. Cut the guy some slack. He needs to do whatever he can to impress his people and cultivate his cult of personality.

I am quite certain that kim jong un is well aware that his country has got no chance of being a military threat to any major power. And I'm also equally certain that China doesn't give a damn about N. Korea except in a "in your face" sort of way towards the USA.

We will keep on seeing poorly made videos that wouldn't pass mustard with a 5yrs old, inflamatory speeches from him and all sort of non-sense.

I have seen quite a few fights started by short guys with extreme inferiority complexes. They got their butts kicked, but they had to do it because they were out to prove themselves, no matter who it hurt.
 
I have seen quite a few fights started by short guys with extreme inferiority complexes. They got their butts kicked, but they had to do it because they were out to prove themselves, no matter who it hurt.

And if the world would be a schoolyard, I would be worried. But it's not, just a metaphorical schoolyard.

I'm quite certain this phase of the Great Leader will pass sooner or later. He is just getting the hand with how to lead his country further into the communist utopia.

Just like his father, whom, for most of the time, just kept quiet and didn't bother anyone except occassionaly to remind the world, and maybe himself, that he is still alive... the same will happen here.
 
There is only one way to handle a maniac like this : the President should simply announce that if North Korea attempts to attack the USA or one of our allies, the retaliation will be swift and far out of proportion to what caused it. Let North Korea know that they will cease to exist as they are known today and we DO NOT intend to get bogged down in any land wars with them. We will simply obliterate them from the air.
 

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