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Hopefully in the next month or so!!
I know i asked this about 18 months ago but in light of 11 states (CT, DE, IA, MA, MD, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT, and WA) legalizing it along with DC in the US, 1 pending MN, and possible SCOTUS impact I thought id ask again.
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
Hopefully in the next month or so!!
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
Reason?????
So that conservative states can continue to deny homosexuals marriage? Maybe I'm suffering from a lack of imagination but I'm not clear on what other options he might be referring to.
I know i asked this about 18 months ago but in light of 11 states (CT, DE, IA, MA, MD, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT, and WA) legalizing it along with DC in the US, 1 pending MN, and possible SCOTUS impact I thought id ask again.
Around the world its legal in Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Uruguay
Its legal in parts of Brazil and Mexico like in the US
And also Bills allowing legal recognition of same-sex marriage have been proposed, are pending, or have passed at least one legislative house in Andorra, Colombia, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, Nepal, Taiwan, and the United Kingdom, as well as in the legislatures of several sub-national jurisdictions in Scotland as well as parts of Australia.
So equal rights for gays are coming, the only thing is WHEN, how soon.
So im curious if people change their time frames when they think it will happen. Im chaining mine, i used to say 10 years now im thinking 5 or less.
What do you think.
0-5 years
5-10 years
10-15 years
15-20 years
20-25 years
25+ years
Never
Obviously that would be ideal. But I have a sneaking suspicion the Supreme Court is going to kick this down the road somehow. 5-10.
If you mean that Government gets out of marriage entirely, changes marriage to a civil union of secular contract between two consenting adult parties (that it currently is but masquerades under the term marriage) and the state and lets NGOs handle the concept of "marriage" I'm totally there with you.
Otherwise, I have to disagree.
I actually want the federal, state, and local to get out of the marriage license business so I'll say "never".
To explain, if a religion agrees with SSM let them perform the ceremony and it should be recognized legally and automatically without question, if a religion does not agree with it they shouldn't be so compelled. And here is the kicker, justice of the peace marriage must be equal opportunity and fully recognized, secular bodies have no right to distinguish under equal protections of the U.S. constitution. Easy enough, done.
Legal recognition for benefits is the issue, that should be removed. IOW if a ceremony is performed the marriage should automatically be authorized for all benefits contained therein. For instance if I marry a fiance in the Catholic church she has a right to my property upon death or divorce, all benefits I get through a company like insurance are legally mandated for her to be covered under, etc. what I was saying is that the government does not get to pick and choose, any marriage should have equal legal protections and a justice of the peace(civil ceremony) would have to be performed under equal protections law. What I am arguing is that no level of government may pick and choose what to recognize as "legal", I'm actually using the first amendment(religious protection) and fourteenth(binds all rights to all levels of government) to state that government shall not have authority to decide which marriages(barring child, etc.) they may recognize.I can think of no rational reason why someone in favor of gay marriage might possibly agree to this. Besides, government licenses and religious ceremonies are already separate.
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