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How is it self defense?

apdst said:
How about the BLM rioters stop attacking innocent citizens?
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If we go out and start shooting all the child molesters, maybe we should go out and start shooting any violent rioters, than any rioters at all, then any demonstrators, than anyone we just don't like.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Dittohead not! said:
If we go out and start shooting all the child molesters, maybe we should go out and start shooting any violent rioters, than any rioters at all, then any demonstrators, than anyone we just don't like.

What could possibly go wrong?
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You're right! Allowing the riots to go unabated is working perfectly!
 
Simpletruther said:
I am talking First guy.
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no, you're talking about the second guy. The first guy was posing no threat and was shot several times. That's why the vigilante was running from the crowd, because he'd just shot someone.

Several times.

Reportedly in the back.
 
Dittohead not! said:
no, you're talking about the second guy. The first guy was posing no threat and was shot several times. That's why the vigilante was running from the crowd, because he'd just shot someone.

Several times.

Reportedly in the back.
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Not according to a witness.
 
Simpletruther said:
Or as evidence of self defense, depending on what they said.
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It is listed under the probable cause section for the charges. It is from Richard McGuinness.


Try again
 
vegas giants said:
Great. Post his statement
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Rosenbaum appears to be unarmed for the duration of this video,” McNeill wrote. “A review of the second video shows that the defendant and Rosenbaum continue to move across the parking lot and approach and approach the front of a black car parked in the lot.”
McNeill wrote that a loud bang, an apparent gunshot, is then heard, followed by a male voice shouting, “(Expletive) you!”
Rosenbaum approaches Rittenhouse and four more shots are heard. Rosenbaum falls to the ground.
“McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words,” the criminal complaint states. “McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun.”



Kenosha timeline: Court docs detail shooter Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions on night of protesters’ killings


The guy was following him, trying to overtake him. Him was a hardened criminal looking for someone to stomp on no doubt. He miscalculated.
 
Simpletruther said:
Rosenbaum appears to be unarmed for the duration of this video,” McNeill wrote. “A review of the second video shows that the defendant and Rosenbaum continue to move across the parking lot and approach and approach the front of a black car parked in the lot.”
McNeill wrote that a loud bang, an apparent gunshot, is then heard, followed by a male voice shouting, “(Expletive) you!”
Rosenbaum approaches Rittenhouse and four more shots are heard. Rosenbaum falls to the ground.
“McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words,” the criminal complaint states. “McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun.”



Kenosha timeline: Court docs detail shooter Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions on night of protesters’ killings


The guy was following him, trying to overtake him. Him was a hardened criminal looking for someone to stomp on no doubt. He miscalculated.
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Mcguinnes statement is used as probable cause of the murders
 
vegas giants said:
Mcguinnes statement is used as probable cause of the murders
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Where dos it say that?

The point remains, he didn’t shoot him out of the blue, the guy was going for his gun.
 
Simpletruther said:
Where dos it say that?

The point remains, he didn’t shoot him out of the blue, the guy was going for his gun.
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It says it under the charges in the probable cause section
 
independentusa said:
I really do not see how the shooting by Rittenhouse can be considered self defense. First, Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state. From everything I have gleaned Rittenhouse shot someone across the street and then went over and found he had killed the man.
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That's incorrect.

He was running away from a man chasing him. Once he ran into a car lot, a shot rang out from behind him (it was fired from across the street). When he heard that shot he assumed he was the target and turned around. The guy who was chasing him kept coming and lunged toward him and he shot. He was between 2 cars when he shot and after he did he continued on, ran around a few cars, circling back to where the man was on the ground where he had just shot him.


I have found nothing to show why he shot the man as the reports say only one of the persons Rittenhouse shot was actually armed.
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It apparently started when the rioters lit a dumpster on fire over by the business he was there helping. Kyle ran and got a fire extinguisher and put the fire out and that pissed of the rioters. That when one or more came after him. He ran away, heading down the street in the direction of the police line. I assume that the guy who he shot was getting closer to him or something, because he ran into a car lot and the rest you already know.

RIttenhouse supposedly called a friend and told him he had killed someone and when he was overheard several people started to chase him. The first one was unarmed and trying to get the gun for Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse shot him dead. The third man was armed and Rittenhouse shot him in the arm, just about taking the man's arm off, but the man is alive. So Rittenhouse shot three men and now is charged with two counts of homicide. Exactly where is the self defense unless you count the people that he shot who were trying to stop him from shooting others.
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I don't buy that for a second. In both the first shooting, and the 2nd and 3rd, he was running away and not threatening anyone. To my knowledge, nobody has claimed that Rittenhouse had threatened anyone with his gun, or was in any way being aggressive or argumentative. He was retreating the entire time from the people that he ended up shooting.

One could very easily conclude that if it hadn't been for someone firing a gun behind him as he was running away, he would have not turned around, and not have shot that first man. The same applies to the 2nd and 3rd shooting. If he hadn't fallen in the street, he likely would have kept running until he reached the police line.

After seeing all the video footage, it's pretty clear that the kid wanted to get away from those who were chasing him, not have a confrontation with them.

As for Wisconsin law, from what I understand it has one of the most broad self defense laws in the country.

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