GySgt said:
The Army Times, Marine Times, Navy Times, and Air Force Times are not military or DOD sponsered newspapers. They are civillian operated and unbiased and are only produced as bias by people who select specific articles to grandstand on.
Does this poll have any of the 177,000 Marines in it? How about the total force of the Navy or Air Force? Hardly representative of the troops as you are parading about. :roll: Most of the people in this poll are simply following in the poor leadership example of their Generals and casting votes. Army Generals are notorious for grabbing camera time and for cementing themselves against change. There is much more to the descention between these few Generals and Rumsfeld than what headlines are producing. One should take the time to at least learn a little bit about the branches before one attempts to use the military for one's agenda.
You may learn a little from this....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/290930-post15.html
...or you may not care to.
Either way......"no" this hardly portrays
"the truth".....and "no" this does not "
kind of fly in the face of what some here are saying about the military supporting Rumsfeld."
Try again.
Finally, an honest response, and not an attempt to bait me into a flame war. An intelligent response too, and that is appreciated, so I will respectfully respond in kind.
My question to you is the following:
Who reads Army Times? Left wing college students? Do you think a bunch of left wingers got together to "queer the poll"? That would be just a much of a conspiracy theory as Hillary Clinton claiming there is a vast right wing conspiracy.
You do make a point that the poll is unscientific, and you are right on that. However, I would make a statement that just about all the results in the poll are from the readership.
Now, having said that, let me admit to a couple of more flaws in the poll before summing up my position on it.
1) Did military wives and their families also vote? I believe so, and as we all know, they are going to have their own bias. They want their husbands/fathers home, and they are probably very dissatisfied with the multiple tours, stop loss, and other measures taken by the administraton due to our military being stretched as it is.
2) How about vets? Of course, and although the majority of vets believe in the Iraq war, there is a substantial number who dont, and blame Rumsfeld.
3) I cannot speak for the marines, navy, or air force, since they have their own verson of the "Times".
Put the 3 together and there is some basis for your asserting that the poll is skewed, my position is that the vast majority of readers are those who the Army Times caters to. I would also submit that the vast majority of readers are connected in some way with the Army, either past or present. If there is bias, I would say that the bias is in favor of the military, as it should be. On that basis, I would suggest that the results are typical of the readership of Army Times, and that bodes ill for Rumsfeld. After all, if, lets say, the Village Voice pans Hillary Clinton, would you claim that Conservatives conspired to skew the poll? Of course not. The thought itself is pretty whacked, wouldnt you agree. By the same token, I would suggest the same whackiness in the thought that Liberals purposely came to Army Times in droves to skew that poll either.
Finally, one last thought, and this is to the people who claim they are voting over and over again in the Army Times poll. You can vote as many times as you want, but only ONE vote will be registered. Anyone here can verify that by voting, then trying to vote again. I would suggest that, instead of listening to either me or those who are claiming that you can vote "often", go there and find out for yourself, then you will see who is lying.
PS - I know you and I dont get along, and we never will. However, I do respect your commitment to defend our country, and I thank you for that. Call me a butthead all you want, but you will always have my sincere appreciation of the job you are doing, no matter how ugly things get between us here. You dont have to support the commander in chief to support the troops. Tom Delay said that, by the way, when Clinton was in office. It should never change. Thank you.
It's the real deal. In fact, I think I'll go vote again.
