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How do you like debating politics with idiots?

How do you like debating politics with stupid people?

  • Rather kiss a spitting cobra!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rather take a shower with angry bats flying around my head!

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • I'd rather have a root canal performed by Dr. Lector (Hannibal)!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • All of the above!

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Total voters
    4
...and what do you think you learned from the dictionary?
The definition of the word.

Like most words, context defines content.
Right, context shows you which definition applies.

But you don't defin a word, you look up its definition. Words already have definitions, you don't get to make your own. A definition remains the same when used in the same context by diferent people.

Only idiots ask someone to define a word. You're already using the internet, there's no reason you can't look up the definition yourself
 
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Debating on whether or not this makes my sig.

Go for it! For it is true, you know - in the cosmic scheme of things, I'm not that bright.... It's just that the dumbmasses nowadays are infinitely more intellectually challenged than myself.... Ever seen the movie "Idiocracy?" 'Cause that's basically the story of my life... ;)
 
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I didn't even realize they ranked computer programmers. Interesting.

Won't say what company, but my dad wrote the basic computer program for the entire company in the '90's - a fortune 500 company.... Who the hell is "they," by the way?? :shrug:
 
I don't think I've ever debated stupid people on this forum. Opinionated people...yes. Fanatical people...yes. Political hacks...yes. Stupid people...no.
 
Won't say what company, but my dad wrote the basic computer program for the entire company in the '90's - a fortune 500 company.... Who the hell is "they," by the way?? :shrug:

You said he was one of the "best" in the nation, not that he wrote code for a respectable company. :roll:
 
You said he was one of the "best" in the nation, not that he wrote code for a respectable company. :roll:

He did just about everything involving computer programming - and was regarded as one of the best by the company he worked for....

Look, when I said that last night, it was very late and I was badly in need of sleep - wasn't having too much fun posting, so I logged off.

But if you want to jump to ignorant conclusions, go right ahead. Just don't slam my father - you can slam me all you want.....
 
I don't debate with idiots.

I lecture them.

I harangue them.

I mock them.

I try to educate them.

I toy with them.

I hold them up as negative examples.

On my better days, I even pity them.

But I don't debate them, because their utterances don't rise to the level of rational argument or even elegant emotional appeal.

People that I do enter into actual debate with are invited to assume that I maintain a cordial regard for their intelligence.
 
The definition of the word.


Right, context shows you which definition applies.

But you don't defin a word, you look up its definition. Words already have definitions, you don't get to make your own. A definition remains the same when used in the same context by diferent people.

Only idiots ask someone to define a word. You're already using the internet, there's no reason you can't look up the definition yourself

I don't appreciate your insulting last sentence. If you can't hold a civilized conversation, the ignore button is just one click away and you won't have to see what this "idiot" has to say.

My question to the OP was valid. Since you have nothing to contribute, please go away.
 
He did just about everything involving computer programming - and was regarded as one of the best by the company he worked for....

Look, when I said that last night, it was very late and I was badly in need of sleep - wasn't having too much fun posting, so I logged off.

But if you want to jump to ignorant conclusions, go right ahead. Just don't slam my father - you can slam me all you want.....

Relax. No one's slamming your father.

I was poking fun at you because I think it's a silly thing to brag about. Anyway, I'm done here. I think you'll find online debate much more enjoyable if you don't take it too seriously or personally.
 
Relax. No one's slamming your father.

I was poking fun at you because I think it's a silly thing to brag about. Anyway, I'm done here. I think you'll find online debate much more enjoyable if you don't take it too seriously or personally.

Point taken - thanks for the input...
 
Ahh, finally someone with brains enough to have a decent conversation with....

It's quite simple - stupid cannot be changed, ignorance can (through education - be it self motivated learning or through an institution, etc.).... It seems that there are many stupid people on this site - no matter what evidence is presented to them proving their convoluted opinions otherwise, they will still adhere to false beliefs.... AND I'm not saying that just liberals are to blame for their lack of capacity to learn - there are plenty of conservatives whom prove obstinately obtuse as well... The real problem in this country is that there are too many problem creators and not enough problem solvers.... My father - whom in his prime was one of the best computer programmers in the country, taught me that. His point is that - well - politicians (for the most part) are idiots whom ARE the problem, not the solution. But that is perhaps getting off topic here...

The problem I see on boards like this is that no one wants to even listen or learn where the other side is coming from - the cotton remains in the ears, hence diarrhea of the mouth ensues..... I'm not saying I'm all that smart, either - I'm stupid enough to keep coming to this crappy site and expecting to change others' opinions....


Waste of freaking time - just remember that "the fool doth think he is wise, the wise man know himself to be a fool."

So, I admit it - I'm a fool, ok?

Hope that 'splains things a little better for everyone. And just remember this reality check - say what you want, but at least I think for myself. Furthermore, YOU DON'T know me!!!
Ah! Here I think that I can help you and restore a treasured measure of pleasure to the experience of political forum posting. I have looked up an old post of mine, I believe that Rule Number Five is what you're looking for:

5. Remember that you wish to convince the “Unseen World”

Face it, as a Conservative, if you are serious about what you post, you have to accept that most of your detractors probably lack the mental agility to reconsider the nonsense that they're posting.

However, it is vital to realize that we are seen by the ghostly, multitudinous, unseen and unregistered visitors drifting through the web earnestly seeking understanding. Seen in that light, your posts become part of an archetypal dialog, a way of educating the lost, the ignorant, and the newly aware.

Who knows who will read your words and when? And who can predict their effect? While you generally must respond to contradictory posts, your target audience should usually not be the person unwise enough to dispute with you, but those that read the discourse.

Converting your opponent is secondary; they are a mere tool to express your superior position to others.


Oftencold’s Rules for Superior Conservative Posting
 
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I don't appreciate your insulting last sentence. If you can't hold a civilized conversation, the ignore button is just one click away and you won't have to see what this "idiot" has to say.

My question to the OP was valid. Since you have nothing to contribute, please go away.
Your question to the OP was not valid. You don't know how to look up the definition of a word. Thats all your question meant.
 
Why are these "rules" for "conservative" posting? They seem to be applicable to everyone, and very thoughtfully and simply expressed. Why would a liberal or independent not use the same standards?

To be brutally frank, my rules are an appeal to a disciplined and considered approach to effectively expressing rational thought and and engaging in a discourse not characterized by hyper-emotionalism, sloganeering and such. It has long been my experience that when one is engaged in political discourse, such an approach is unsuited to the Modern American Liberal, Progressive, Statist, or Socialist.

I will aver that rare exceptions may exist, but they are far from plentiful. A ready common example may be found when a Conservative has posted several paragraphs outlining with greater of lesser effect the reasoned points explaining their opposition to one of the current President's initiatives. If the thread is well populated, one of the predominant arguments against the Conservative's position will almost universally be some utterly baseless accusation of racism, as though no other rationale were possible. That is, rational point by point refutation from the Political Left will rarely be forthcoming.

Over time I have concluded that when one embraces rationality, general amity, and arithmetic in political thinking, one must perforce abandon the Modern American Left, because it is incompatible with these things. Again, I am willing to be proven wrong, but I have little expectation that I shall be.

The description at the top of my rules does hold out forlorn hope though:
A helpful guide for serious Conservative posters, which may also aid Liberals and Independents
 
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I find debating with the uninformed rather amusing.
 
To be brutally frank, my rules are an appeal to a disciplined and considered approach to effectively expressing rational thought and and engaging in a discourse not characterized by hyper-emotionalism, sloganeering and such. It has long been my experience that when one is engaged in political discourse, such an approach is unsuited to the Modern American Liberal, Progressive, Statist, or Socialist.

I will aver that rare exceptions may exist, but they are far from plentiful. A ready common example may be found when a Conservative has posted several paragraphs outlining with greater of lesser effect the reasoned points explaining their opposition to one of the current President's initiatives. If the thread is well populated, one of the predominant arguments against the Conservative's position will almost universally be some utterly baseless accusation of racism, as though no other rationale were possible. That is, rational point by point refutation from the Political Left will rarely be forthcoming.

Over time I have concluded that when one embraces rationality, general amity, and arithmetic in political thinking, one must perforce abandon the Modern American Left, because it is incompatible with these things. Again, I am willing to be proven wrong, but I have little expectation that I shall be.

The description at the top of my rules does hold out forlorn hope though:

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm complimenting the "rules" themselves. As far as bad behavior goes....I see the exact same behaviors coming from both extremes. Sloganeering, as you point out, is a waste of everyones time.
 
I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm complimenting the "rules" themselves. As far as bad behavior goes....I see the exact same behaviors coming from both extremes. Sloganeering, as you point out, is a waste of everyones time.

Ah! But you asked "[w]hy would a liberal or independent not use the same standards," not whether they should.

I have found that the way we speak or write often has a great effect upon how we think, and vice versa. Try using a foreign accent all day and see if you don't notice small changes in your perception and thinking. :)

I am of the opinion that they won't use my rules, because in so doing they'd have to change the mode of their thought, and that tends to be frightening, often humbling, and always a lot of trouble.

And notice that our perceptions are altered by the way in which others speak. Hollywood certainly has. Why else would so many characters in movies, for no apparent reason, speak with an English accent whether they are the master criminal, the master spies, the surgeon, the madman, the mad scientists, the scientist who has to explain to the hero, the hero, the ambassador, the advanced space alien, the vampire, the vampire killer, the supposedly French Starship Captain, the ancient Pharaoh, the ancient Greek, the ancient Roman, the emperor, the eastern potentate, the Mother Abbess, the harlot, the sophisticated lover, the compassionate nurse, the assassin, the mythical god of any culture or the avant-garde artist?

I am quite fond of the English generally, and an admirer of English and British culture as a whole. But I think that England never produced enough Englishmen to fill all the English-accented roles in all of our movies.
 
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The stupid aren't generally attracted to political discussion. If they partake of such, then any appearance of stupidity is only evasion, dishonesty or weakness of character in the face of personal shortcoming.

Except Thunder, of course. He really was absolutely stupid.
 
I won't answer the question you ask in your thread's title but I will note that I haven't tried to refute anything it says in your OP
 
see post #5 - I already have admitted that I'm a fool for even trying!
You are not a fool Nightrider. But you need to toughen up cause the number one tactic of the left is to personally demean an individual. If you bring up Islam, you are an Islamaphobic or if you disagree with gay marriage you are a homophobic or if you believe in free markets you are greedy. If you believe in personal responsibility you are heartless. If you stand on first principles of the Constitution they immediately dive into a rant of how the Founding Fathers were racists and that makes you one too. Get use to it. It's all they have. You take away their victim cards and everything crumbles for them.
 
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