How come the Thoughts and Prayers aren't working?

[ataraxia]

I think gun control is a political weapon the left uses as well as a facade people who don't want to really punish violent criminals, use to pretend they are doing something. I don't believe the motivations of gun banners who invariably are left-wingers and who spend no time trying to reduce things that kill far more people than legally owned guns

Well you are wrong. I am not sure how else to break it to you. I would be just as alarmed at Black Panther and Antifa types walking around open carrying assault weapons in front of city hall as I would Nazi and Confederate types.

 

[ataraxia]

that is so stupid I am laughing. it shows you are lying or completely clueless about the laws

tell us what are the decent laws you want

Closing the loopholes in sales ( and please don’t tell us they don’t exist). Ban assault weapons unless there is certification of proper training and competence, like with a drivers license. There are some others, but I’m sure you’re not paying attention.

 

[Rucker61]

A civil society has one where there is rule of law, not the natural freedom of the jungle.

Are the places where most of our homicides occur supported by rule of law? We don't areest those who lie on the Form 4473, we don't prosecute enough of those charged with gun crimes and we don't punish those convicted of those types of crimes in accordance with the law. I'd say we're closer to the jungle than to a civil society here.

The US is the only one without any decent laws regulating this potentially dangerous product. It’s relentless rate of mass murders reflects this negligence and incompetence of its government.

Other than single shot .22s and shotguns, every other type of firearm has been used in mass murders, and most were legally purchased. If it's the rate of mass murders you want to focus on, you're going to need to overturn the Second Amendment and confiscate a lot of guns.

Don’t confuse incompetence of government with freedom.

Interesting that you expect incompetent government to be any more effective with new laws to enforce when they can't enforce the ones we have now.

 

[Rucker61]

Closing the loopholes in sales ( and please don’t tell us they don’t exist). Ban assault weapons unless there is certification of proper training and competence, like with a drivers license. There are some others, but I’m sure you’re not paying attention.

There is no loophole. The Brady Act works exactly as the Democrats who wrote it, voted on it, signed it into law and affirmed it intended it to work. UBCs cannot be effective without comprehensive firearms registration, a reduction in straw purchases and an easy gun transfer process, according to the DOJ's 2010 report "Summary of Select Firearms Violence Prevention Strategies".

What's an "assault weapon"?

 

[ataraxia]

Are the places where most of our homicides occur supported by rule of law? We don't areest those who lie on the Form 4473, we don't prosecute enough of those charged with gun crimes and we don't punish those convicted of those types of crimes in accordance with the law. I'd say we're closer to the jungle than to a civil society here.


Other than single shot .22s and shotguns, every other type of firearm has been used in mass murders, and most were legally purchased. If it's the rate of mass murders you want to focus on, you're going to need to overturn the Second Amendment and confiscate a lot of guns.



Interesting that you expect incompetent government to be any more effective with new laws to enforce when they can't enforce the ones we have now.

There is nothing like keeping the government and law weak, anemic, and unable to do anything, to prove that it can’t do anything. Get serious about it, and I assure you the problems will be fixed- just like they are in all other countries in the world where there is a rule of law and order.

 

[dogboy49]

They can certainly be indicted by me and the rest of America....not criminally but morally

I see. A moral but not a criminal indictment. Let me help you by making a correction to your earlier statement:

[For a politician] "To be in a position to do more and to do nothing is not criminal"

Politicians historically respond to the forces around them. The fact that they have not widely acted to implement the gun agenda that you favor can be taken as a sign that those particular forces are not all that compelling. One reason might be that when the anti-gun crowd becomes particularly vocal, the pro-gun crowd turns out on election day.

 

[vegas giants]

I see. A moral but not a criminal indictment. Let me help you by making a correction to your earlier statement:



Politicians historically respond to the forces around them. The fact that they have not widely acted to implement the gun agenda that you favor can be taken as a sign that those particular forces are not all that compelling. One reason might be that when the anti-gun crowd becomes particularly vocal, the pro-gun crowd turns out on election day.

Gun control passes every year. And doing nothing is criminal

 

[dogboy49]

Gun control passes every year. And doing nothing is criminal

I see. Well, I guess I'll see ya in jail!

 

[vegas giants]

I see. Well, I guess I'll see ya in jail!

God I hope so

 

[TurtleDude]

Well you are wrong. I am not sure how else to break it to you. I would be just as alarmed at Black Panther and Antifa types walking around open carrying assault weapons in front of city hall as I would Nazi and Confederate types.

1) most gun banners or gun controllers will deny they push gun control to harass conservatives who oppose the leftwing agenda. So I look at the laws these GCAs push and if they obviously have no real prayer of mainly restricting harmful individuals, I conclude those offering these solutions are disingenuous

2) the issue isn't people walking around with guns but crap like waiting periods, magazine limits, and "assault weapon bans" are all designed to harass lawful gun owners

 

[TurtleDude]

Closing the loopholes in sales ( and please don’t tell us they don’t exist). Ban assault weapons unless there is certification of proper training and competence, like with a drivers license. There are some others, but I’m sure you’re not paying attention.

what loopholes-proves again how ignorant you are of the laws.

what is an assault weapon" why is more training needed for a flash hider? you apparently are unable t comprehend that constitutional rights are not something that should be licensed

 

[Rucker61]

There is nothing like keeping the government and law weak, anemic, and unable to do anything, to prove that it can’t do anything. Get serious about it, and I assure you the problems will be fixed- just like they are in all other countries in the world where there is a rule of law and order.

Nothing prevents the federal government from reallocating resources from its vast number of federal officers to track down the 55,000 people who commit a felony by lying on the Form 4473, and left their name and address to facilitate those arrests.

Nothing prevents the federal government from prosecuting these people.

Nothing prevents the state and local governments from prosecuting those caught in weapons violations and violent weapons offenses.

Nothing prevents the judges from assigning the proper level of punishment for those convicted of violent and weapons crimes.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Closing the loopholes in sales ( and please don’t tell us they don’t exist). Ban assault weapons unless there is certification of proper training and competence, like with a drivers license. There are some others, but I’m sure you’re not paying attention.

By loopholes I assume that you mean private gun sales within a state not involving a FFL dealer (thus no form 4473 or NICS BGC) - since that is not interstate commerce then it is a state only matter. There is nothing special about what most improperly refer to as an 'assault weapon' - they are simply semi-auto rifles with added (mostly cosmetic) features that fire a standard rifle round. It does not take any special training to 'handle' a semi-auto rifle (or pistol) that simply has a larger magazine capacity, flash suppressor, barrel shroud or *gasp* a bayonet lug.

 

[TurtleDude]

By loopholes I assume that you mean private gun sales within a state not involving a FFL dealer (thus no form 4473 or NICS BGC) - since that is not interstate commerce then it is a state only matter. There is nothing special about what most improperly refer to as an 'assault weapon' - they are simply semi-auto rifles with added (mostly cosmetic) features that fire a standard rifle round. It does not take any special training to 'handle' a semi-auto rifle (or pistol) that simply has a larger magazine capacity, flash suppressor, barrel shroud or *gasp* a bayonet lug.

when ARC members start talking about assault weapons you know right away you are dealing with ignorance or dishonesty or both.

 

[ttwtt78640]

when ARC members start talking about assault weapons you know right away you are dealing with ignorance or dishonesty or both.

They have been convinced that scary black rifles are used by super criminals such as mass shooters and that the many, many millions of them that are not put to any such criminal use should just be considered necessary casualties of slightly limiting the power of super criminals. Of course, that just opens the door (by established precedent) for the next 'reasonable restriction' on the next 'most scary' type(s) of guns(s) that are abused by criminals.

 

[Linc]

what loopholes-proves again how ignorant you are of the laws.

what is an assault weapon" why is more training needed for a flash hider? you apparently are unable t comprehend that constitutional rights are not something that should be licensed

Calling fellow posters ‘ignorant of the laws’ continues to be extremely poor form on Debate Politics. Along with all of the other Name-Calling.

The USA needs its own GRU — Gun Rights Union — to Counter the influence from the GRU of Russia through the New Russian Authoritarians, aka the Never Responsible Annihilators.

Notice my comments are at a dead Ly organization, not fellow posters.

 

[TurtleDude]

Calling fellow posters ‘ignorant of the laws’ continues to be extremely poor form on Debate Politics. Along with all of the other Name-Calling.

The USA ���� needs its own GRU — Gun Rights Union — to Counter the influence from the GRU of Russia ���� through the New Russian Authoritarians, aka the Never Responsible Annihilators.

Notice my comments are at a dead �� Ly organization, not fellow posters.

He is ignorant.

 

[Linc]

He is ignorant.

Who are you to call ANYONE Ignorant with your name-calling?

Time to listen to Sane Republicans on the Gun Issue.

And to be Nice , about this Mass Slaughter of our Children ‘Issue’, a Very Debilitating Theory of Threes;

1. Psychotropics and other ‘new age’ Pharmaceuticals supported by the GOP;

2. Weapons of War supported by the GOP.

3. Family Failure — accelerated and accentuated by disastrous GOP economic policy since the first gifts of Windfall Tax Scams to Trust Fund Babies since the early 1980s.

 

[Rucker61]

Who are you to call ANYONE Ignorant with your name-calling?

Anyone that claims that there is a "loophole" in the background check system for private sales doesn't understand "loophole" or the law as written.

And to be Nice ��, about this Mass Slaughter of our Children �� ‘Issue’, a Very Debilitating Theory of Threes;

Since 2010, 36 K-12 children have been killed in a mass shooting in a school using an "assault weapon". About 100 have been murdered by any type of gun at school. During that same time period, 28,000 school age kids were killed in car wrecks, and about 4,000 killed by cars while walking outside. I think you and I have a very different understanding of the meaning of "slaughter".

2. Weapons of War supported by the GOP.

What are "weapons of war"?

 

[VanceMack]

The application speaks for itself.

I note for the record your personal attack based, I assume, on my disagreement with your position.

I gave you more credit than that.

My comment is simply a direct response to your complete willingness to sacrifice your integrity due to your hatred. But on the plus side, I DID presume that you actually had it at one time.


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[VanceMack]

I was just told the only reason I couldn't mount the Gatling auto-cannon from an A-10 on my porch was because I would need an architect to provide better support for it. Agree or disagree?

Do you find the GAU 8/A Avenger 30 mm cannon with 1300 belt fed rounds a weapon an infantryman might be expected to carry? If not, then no...it’s not covered under the 2nd Amendment. A mini gun perhaps, but not the GAU 8/A


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[Howard the Duck]

My comment is simply a direct response to your complete willingness to sacrifice your integrity due to your hatred. But on the plus side, I DID presume that you actually had it at one time.


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Read the application.

 

[tac138777]

Nonsense.

So how does the left propose we pay for welfare? Social security? Universal healthcare? Larger salaries for teachers? Subsidizing green technology? Buyback programs on weapons? Not through taxes right?

 

[Howard the Duck]

So how does the left propose we pay for welfare? Social security? Universal healthcare? Larger salaries for teachers? Subsidizing green technology? Buyback programs on weapons? Not through taxes right?

No. Through taxes. We're not going to pay for anything with voodoo tax cuts. Neither are you.

 

[VanceMack]

Oh, but we never have drama llamas telling us how if there any regulation on the sale of Gatling auto-cannons is the first slippery slope to fascist communist tyranny. :lamo

You want talk about mounting a GAU 8/A Avenger on your front porch and then talk about ‘drama llamas’?


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