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How can the Dems overcome this in just 4 months?

If by “working” you mean energizing the Republican and particularly Trump base to send the Democrats packing in November.
That's the problem right there: we are all Americans not subdivided D's and R's. Every problem in the US government is traced back to the origins of either the Republican faction or the Democratic faction. It's those factions fight for ultimate power that have ****ed everything up.
 
Things were not that bad under Trump's 4 years. And had the pandemic and George Floyd not happened, he would have been reelected. Americans fed by Democrat manufactured fear and chaos, jumped from the frying pan into the fire so to speak, and are now regretting that.

Other than mean and stupid tweets by DT, his administration was still far better than the woke progressive left of Biden and company. The current pain Americans are experiencing are directly the result of Biden and the far left continuing to prioritize social justice and climate fears over the economy, security, and everything else which were being prioritized by Donald Trump. Business hates uncertaintiiy, and under Biden our economy is taking it up the rear.....but they don't care. Open borders, anti carbon, and social/woke BS is their priority, and Americans will be voting them out this November.
Don’t forget the republicans also took a beating in the 2018 midterms which was well before Covid and Floyd. But yeah, looks like the GOP will do well in November. Then what? The last time they controlled Congress they did nothing except pass tax cuts. They didn’t build Trump’s wall or pass any other significant legislation. What’s the plan to deal with fuel costs? How are they going to combat inflation? Voters who expect the republicans to do anything about these issue will be in for a rude awakening and they’ll remember that the GOP are also terrible at governing, just in a different way.
 
Don’t forget the republicans also took a beating in the 2018 midterms which was well before Covid and Floyd. But yeah, looks like the GOP will do well in November. Then what? The last time they controlled Congress they did nothing except pass tax cuts. They didn’t build Trump’s wall or pass any other significant legislation. What’s the plan to deal with fuel costs? How are they going to combat inflation? Voters who expect the republicans to do anything about these issue will be in for a rude awakening and they’ll remember that the GOP are also terrible at governing, just in a different way.
Looks like Democrats are setting up for 2024 election success
 
Said the person who doesn't have a clue about the real world struggles of working people.

I fulfilled my mutual contract(s) honorably to the full satisfaction of the US Navy.

You owe it..........................and tuff shit :love:
I am a working person. I didn't claim you didn't fulfill your contract honorable. But, I think it shows a hilarious absence of self-awareness for someone like you, who is living, at least in part, off the public dole, to suggest that someone else pays all my bills, when in fact I pay not only all of those, but a portion of your income, as well. You're welcome.
 
:LOL:

Talk about "out of touch".
My views are consistent with the data. Median real net worths are at an all-time high. So was real GDP per capita as of the end of 2021. Household debt is just about the lowest it's ever been as a share of disposable income. Unemployment rates are near record lows. The last reading on real median family income was the second-highest it's been in history. The poverty rate is near a record low.

Plus, this level of prosperity is coming with less and less effort. In the mid-1950's, the average worker worked 2003 hours per years. These days, the figure is 1767:


Think of what that means in real terms. 236 fewer hours of work per year is about equivalent to getting an extra thirty 8-hour days of vacation!

I know the view pushed by right-wing media is that things are going really badly.... at least ever since Trump left office. But the view out here in the real world is quite different. Overall, Americans are extremely prosperous, relative to norms from any earlier era. And with more people pushing up into higher tax brackets, and fewer people out of work and depending on the social safety net for support, it's a really tough field of battle for the Democrats. Historically, these surging-income/low-unemployment situations favored Republican victories. That was the story, as I said, for 1952, 1968, 2000, and 2016. The better off most people feel, the less they think they need the things Democrats fight for, and the more they think they'll be better served by the party that serves the wealthy. So, I expect a rough election for the Dems, this time. Usually, the only thing that turns that around is when Republicans trash our economy and remind people why Democrats are better for them (e.g., 1960, 1976, 1992, 2008, and 2020). We'll see.
 
My views are consistent with the data. Median real net worths are at an all-time high. So was real GDP per capita as of the end of 2021. Household debt is just about the lowest it's ever been as a share of disposable income. Unemployment rates are near record lows. The last reading on real median family income was the second-highest it's been in history. The poverty rate is near a record low.

Plus, this level of prosperity is coming with less and less effort. In the mid-1950's, the average worker worked 2003 hours per years. These days, the figure is 1767:


Think of what that means in real terms. 236 fewer hours of work per year is about equivalent to getting an extra thirty 8-hour days of vacation!

I know the view pushed by right-wing media is that things are going really badly.... at least ever since Trump left office. But the view out here in the real world is quite different. Overall, Americans are extremely prosperous, relative to norms from any earlier era. And with more people pushing up into higher tax brackets, and fewer people out of work and depending on the social safety net for support, it's a really tough field of battle for the Democrats. Historically, these surging-income/low-unemployment situations favored Republican victories. That was the story, as I said, for 1952, 1968, 2000, and 2016. The better off most people feel, the less they think they need the things Democrats fight for, and the more they think they'll be better served by the party that serves the wealthy. So, I expect a rough election for the Dems, this time. Usually, the only thing that turns that around is when Republicans trash our economy and remind people why Democrats are better for them (e.g., 1960, 1976, 1992, 2008, and 2020). We'll see.
I agree with the post but the bold is a bit misleading. I don't doubt the numbers, but post-WWII through the '70s, the average household required only one income. An argument can be made that current prosperity requires nearly twice the amount of manhours than it did in the '50s.
 
I agree with the post but the bold is a bit misleading. I don't doubt the numbers, but post-WWII through the '70s, the average household required only one income. An argument can be made that current prosperity requires nearly twice the amount of manhours than it did in the '50s.
Should be possible to calculate. In 1955, 57.1% of the population was employed, working 2003 hours per year. Now 60.1% is employed, working 1,767. So, based on a hypothetical standard population of 1000 people, in 1955, you'd have 571*2003 hours of work, and today you'd have 601*1767. So, 1.14 million hours of work per year, versus 1.06 million. So, even after accounting for more of the population working these days, you STILL wind up with less overall work.... and that's even before considering the uncounted labor that full-time homemakers used to do (in the era before most people had dishwashers, microwaves, washing machines, and similar labor-saving devices).

I know it's treated as a kind of assumed reality that things have gotten worse, but the numbers sure don't support it. We're earning VASTLY more, even after accounting for inflation, with less actual labor. And that shows up just the way you'd expect it to, in terms of measures of tangible prosperity. For example, consider that not only are home ownership rates way up since the 1950's, but the size of homes has exploded. The average home in 1955 was 983 square feet. Today it's 2,561. You could buy two 1955-style homes today for the cost of a 2022-style home, with plenty of money left over. We also have more cars per capita, vastly larger wardrobes, we eat a lot more food, with more variety, and so on. Things have just gotten far more prosperous over time.
 
Don’t forget the republicans also took a beating in the 2018 midterms which was well before Covid and Floyd.
The lost the house, which is actually very common for both parties after gaining congress and the presidency to lose seats in the next 2 year election cycle. However, it was not a "beating" not hardly. The Republicans held way more seats in the house during that election than what was predicted.


But yeah, looks like the GOP will do well in November. Then what? The last time they controlled Congress they did nothing except pass tax cuts. They didn’t build Trump’s wall or pass any other significant legislation.
Divided government isn't easy as we know. Obama was president for 8 years, and other than Obamacare, not much else was his party able to do other than a slew of executive orders, mostly directed at more regulatory control, but not legislative wins.

What’s the plan to deal with fuel costs?
Simple. STOP attacking carbon based fuel, and get more investments in oil and clean coal. Business HATES uncertainty, even in the carbon based commodities markets. Oil producers are not going invest billions in exploration and extraction, if their margins are severely diminished by regulation, or uncertainty. Donald Trump was friendly to oil, gas, and coal production. Biden and the progressive liberals treat carbon fuel like it is the devil. Same with western Europe.


How are they going to combat inflation?
Not sure how old you are, but we have been through this before. In the late '70s and early 1980 we were in similar straights. And as soon as Reagan took office we began to turn things around quickly. First and formost was cutting taxes and regulations and allowing capitalism to BREATH. Your so called "democratic socialists" in power HATE capitalism. That has to change.


Voters who expect the republicans to do anything about these issue will be in for a rude awakening and they’ll remember that the GOP are also terrible at governing, just in a different way.

Liberals are just butthurt because of stupid mean tweets. Currently the democrats top priorities are social justice, anti carbon/climate fears, and open borders. American needs leadership friendly to capital investment again, and that will be the answer.
 
What happened under Trump that was so terrible?
His non response to covid unless you count lying to us about it as a response. After four years he had a negative job creation record, created two trillion in debt with his tax cut and thoroughly split the country and turned the gop into an angry mob.
 
His non response to covid unless you count lying to us about it as a response.
Non-response? You not liking his response isn't a no response.
He indicated operation warp speed which we were told was something that could not be done. He initiated travel restrictions ahead of the curve. He mobilized the military. He got the auto industry to retool to build medical equipment. He asked people to stay home in order to help hospitals race for the influx of sick people per the "experts" recommendations. He did many many things.
After four years he had a negative job creation record,
Because of Covid and advice from the "experts" Not to mention the Democrats refusal to open up their economies when it was time to do so.
created two trillion in debt with his tax cut
Yup he added to our debt. That one is true. Congress helped but he signed the bills. He owns them.
and thoroughly split the country and turned the gop into an angry mob.
What made his voters angry was the deplorable treatment he was shown both by Congress and in the media. Trump has every right to defend himself.
 
If you care more about what Donald Trump did a year and a half ago than the problems facing this nation today then you’re too wrapped up in partisanship to be useful.
Is there a reason that we can’t care about both?
 
His non response to covid unless you count lying to us about it as a response. After four years he had a negative job creation record, created two trillion in debt with his tax cut and thoroughly split the country and turned the gop into an angry mob.
Loser #45 added $7,000,000,000,000+ to the national debt in just 4 years.
 
Someone clearly has failed their basic civics. :rolleyes:
Somebody’s been consuming too much right wing propaganda. 🙄

“The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.”

Under Donald Trump's Watch, the National Debt Increased by $7.8 Trillion​

“In his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump said he would "get rid" of the national debt during eight years in office. The president is actually leaving office after four years, having lost his re-election bid to President-elect Joe Biden. But instead of addressing the national debt during his four years in office, the Trump administration oversaw a significant increase even before the COVID-19 pandemic forced the government to pass massive stimulus legislation.

When Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, the national debt stood at about $19.9 trillion. As he leaves office this month, the national debt has grown to about $27.7 trillion. That's an increase of 39.2 percent.”
 
Somebody’s been consuming too much right wing propaganda. 🙄

“The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office. That’s nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.”

Under Donald Trump's Watch, the National Debt Increased by $7.8 Trillion​

“In his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump said he would "get rid" of the national debt during eight years in office. The president is actually leaving office after four years, having lost his re-election bid to President-elect Joe Biden. But instead of addressing the national debt during his four years in office, the Trump administration oversaw a significant increase even before the COVID-19 pandemic forced the government to pass massive stimulus legislation.

When Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, the national debt stood at about $19.9 trillion. As he leaves office this month, the national debt has grown to about $27.7 trillion. That's an increase of 39.2 percent.”
Civics 101 = The President proposes, and Congress disposes.

Congress is responsible for all appropriations. They must specifically originate with the House, which the Senate may amend. Furthermore, the President will only veto a bill if that bill does not pass Congress with a two-thirds majority. Every budget passed by Congress while Trump was President was passed with more than a two-thirds majority. Which means that there was absolutely nothing Trump could have done, even if he wanted to.

The same thing happened under Obama. Only during the first two years of Obama's presidency did Congress not pass a budget with a veto-proof majority. From 2010 until 2016 every budget bill passed by Congress came with a veto-proof majority. At least Bush43 managed to get six of his eight years without a veto-proof budget. It hasn't gone well with Presidents since, but that is largely because Congress hasn't been doing their job.
 
Civics 101 = The President proposes, and Congress disposes.

And then the President signs off or vetos. He chose not to do the latter, so he owns what he signed off on. This isn't that hard to understand.
Congress is responsible for all appropriations. They must specifically originate with the House, which the Senate may amend. Furthermore, the President will only veto a bill if that bill does not pass Congress with a two-thirds majority. Every budget passed by Congress while Trump was President was passed with more than a two-thirds majority. Which means that there was absolutely nothing Trump could have done, even if he wanted to.

Not true. He could have vetoed and forced Congress to override the veto. At least at that point, he would be able to say that he did his part in not standing for the budget proposed. That said, its not like he didn't want the spending, so he STILL owns it.

The same thing happened under Obama. Only during the first two years of Obama's presidency did Congress not pass a budget with a veto-proof majority. From 2010 until 2016 every budget bill passed by Congress came with a veto-proof majority. At least Bush43 managed to get six of his eight years without a veto-proof budget. It hasn't gone well with Presidents since, but that is largely because Congress hasn't been doing their job.

On that point, we would be in agreement.
 
How can Republicans distance themselves from Trump in 4 months?
We've already seen the beginnings as several former pro-Trump politicians are running as fast as possible away from him now.
 
And then the President signs off or vetos. He chose not to do the latter, so he owns what he signed off on. This isn't that hard to understand.


Not true. He could have vetoed and forced Congress to override the veto. At least at that point, he would be able to say that he did his part in not standing for the budget proposed. That said, its not like he didn't want the spending, so he STILL owns it.



On that point, we would be in agreement.
You are wrong yet again. This is where an education would have served you better than your very obvious leftist indoctrination.

President's signatures are not required for a bill to become law. It happens automatically after ten calendar days (excluding Sundays) while Congress is in session.

A President would have to be pretty stupid to veto a bill knowing it would be instantly over-ridden by Congress. Why am I not surprised that you would recommend that course of action?
 
The democrats cannot overcome this. The GOP already had the advantage going into the midterms based on history.

The issues with the economy will only cement the argument about the Presidents party and midterm losses…
 
The lost the house, which is actually very common for both parties after gaining congress and the presidency to lose seats in the next 2 year election cycle. However, it was not a "beating" not hardly. The Republicans held way more seats in the house during that election than what was predicted.



Divided government isn't easy as we know. Obama was president for 8 years, and other than Obamacare, not much else was his party able to do other than a slew of executive orders, mostly directed at more regulatory control, but not legislative wins.


Simple. STOP attacking carbon based fuel, and get more investments in oil and clean coal. Business HATES uncertainty, even in the carbon based commodities markets. Oil producers are not going invest billions in exploration and extraction, if their margins are severely diminished by regulation, or uncertainty. Donald Trump was friendly to oil, gas, and coal production. Biden and the progressive liberals treat carbon fuel like it is the devil. Same with western Europe.



Not sure how old you are, but we have been through this before. In the late '70s and early 1980 we were in similar straights. And as soon as Reagan took office we began to turn things around quickly. First and formost was cutting taxes and regulations and allowing capitalism to BREATH. Your so called "democratic socialists" in power HATE capitalism. That has to change.




Liberals are just butthurt because of stupid mean tweets. Currently the democrats top priorities are social justice, anti carbon/climate fears, and open borders. American needs leadership friendly to capital investment again, and that will be the answer.

It perhaps wasn’t the blue tsunami predicted but the voters came out for the Dems in those midterms. So the early Trump era wasn’t the halcyon days his supporters like to remember.

I agree with you that Obama’s achievements were few, particularly at the legislative level. It’s why Trump was able to easily undo a lot of Obama’s EOs and why Biden was able to undo a lot of Trump’s. That’s why I think I that any voters who expect any great change if they vote Republican in November are likely to be disappointed. Congress has little ability and less inclination to do anything about these issues.

Silly to think Dems hate capitalism. Most of them are in bed with corporations. Who by the way are profiteering on a massive scale at the moment. Business aren’t hurting, workers are. The worldwide inflation is cause by supply issues. These will be resolved eventually. And not by Republican congressmen.
 
Don’t forget the republicans also took a beating in the 2018 midterms which was well before Covid and Floyd. But yeah, looks like the GOP will do well in November. Then what? The last time they controlled Congress they did nothing except pass tax cuts. They didn’t build Trump’s wall or pass any other significant legislation. What’s the plan to deal with fuel costs? How are they going to combat inflation? Voters who expect the republicans to do anything about these issue will be in for a rude awakening and they’ll remember that the GOP are also terrible at governing, just in a different way.
That's not a good parallel for Democrats. During the 2018 cycle, the party activity/enthusiasm numbers were reversed. The Mueller investigation was still ongoing and the DNC was promising an impeachment is the election flipped control of the House. This provided a record Democratic turnout for the 2018 midterm races and Republicans are looking at similar support in November.
 
Non-response? You not liking his response isn't a no response.
He indicated operation warp speed which we were told was something that could not be done. He initiated travel restrictions ahead of the curve. He mobilized the military. He got the auto industry to retool to build medical equipment. He asked people to stay home in order to help hospitals race for the influx of sick people per the "experts" recommendations. He did many many things.

Because of Covid and advice from the "experts" Not to mention the Democrats refusal to open up their economies when it was time to do so.

Yup he added to our debt. That one is true. Congress helped but he signed the bills. He owns them.

What made his voters angry was the deplorable treatment he was shown both by Congress and in the media. Trump has every right to defend himself.
And just how would you say the right is currently treating biden? Hint, just look at some of the threads on here.
 
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