How Can I Find the True Religion?

[Exquisitor]

You are so full of yourself, your authority is all that matters. 200 years ago you would have made a very good missionary teaching dumb
native Indians how stupid there religion is and how right yours is. Its pure self righteousness and arrogance.

Forty years ago I was a very good missionary teaching your dumb Native children things that I now know are both true and not always correct, accurate or precise.

Must be so, because I have problems with authority.

No, I was never that, thinking my religion was right and everyone else's wrong. I thought, "What are the chances of my Religion being right and the others wrong."

You're just upset because you're missing out, and so am I.

 

[Dragonfly]

That’s how her posts read. Yes.
In a very condescending and arrogant manner as well.

“The smart people know “the truth” while all the rest are either blind or ignorant to “the truth”.”

* the “truth” of course is only the “truth” she specifically subscribes to

 

[Daisy]

Its true, look at whats happening in the Middle East or Ireland in name of religion.

That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, it merely means humans do deviate from the way God intended for them to behave...

 

[gboisjo]

What objective science is their in theistic religious belief?

When it comes to the supernatural aspects of religion (miracles, etc.) none.

 

[gboisjo]

That doesn't necessarily mean it's false, it merely means humans do deviate from the way God intended for them to behave...

gboisjo said:
Its true, look at whats happening in the Middle East or Ireland in name of religion.

Deviate is a polite term when describing the carnage in the ME all in the name of god. Overall religions have a record of bloody clashes over who's religion is right both past and present.

If people could only prove who's myth is true, saying its true doesn't mean it really is.

 

[Daisy]

Deviate is a polite term when describing the carnage in the ME all in the name of god. Overall religions have a record of bloody clashes over who's religion is right both past and present.

If people could only prove who's myth is true, saying its true doesn't mean it really is.

Well, Jesus' message of loving your God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself is certainly not being followed by many who call themselves Christian...that is obvious...

 

[Exquisitor]

Comparing science to religion, what a stupid, ridiculous thing to say.

Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions.

Religion does just the opposite, its all about faith not fact in the supernatural, magical, mystical, miraculous, etc.

I want to redefine Religion as a thought process and form by which we approach the world. As a group, we develop and apply various forms and rules. Surly science does not have all the answers, nor has it always been correct in the past.

So on this planet there are various resonant groups that balance. There are two vegetarian cults, there are two atheistic Religions and there are two positions on Christ.

 

[CLAX1911]

If the Father and Jesus are one and we are one with them, then we are also God, according to that scripture...

I think the term for Christians is the body of Christ.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yes, it pretty clear that there is no trinity...

Not according to the Bible or the entirety of Christianity for the past 1700 years.

 

[Daisy]

Not according to the Bible or the entirety of Christianity for the past 1700 years.

And Jesus, the apostles and 1st century Christians? They did not teach/believe the trinity...

Not according to the Bible or the entirety of Christianity for the past 1700 years.

And before that? Jesus, the apostles, nor the 1st century Christians believed/taught the trinity nor does the Bible support it...the belief of triune gods were popular only among the pagan nations...

The Bible’s answer​

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”
In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502012486

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994763#h=1:0-37:378

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989304

 

[CLAX1911]

And Jesus, the apostles and 1st century Christians? They did not teach/believe the trinity...

then they didn't believe in Jesus. Or the holy spirit.

Your statement is false

 

[bomberfox]

See if it matches with observable reality, then you will know.

 

[bomberfox]

BS...science is as good as the man deciphering it...

Nope. Science is confirmed by multiple peers.

 

[bomberfox]

There is and many follow it today...I cannot help if there are those who distort the truth...God will take care of them...

He has also taken care of many of those who follow him in the same way

 

[bomberfox]

why is it not selfish for Jehova to ask a mother to deny their child care to please him but selfish for a mother to want to save their child? Thats batcrap insane to me.

 

[bomberfox]

Isn’t her constant preaching and posting of JW dogma and website crap “rather moot” as well?

Nobody here, and I mean nobody, cares about JW anything other than how crazy it all is.

I did find it telling she outright lied about how blood transfusions came about by posting a ny post hit piece.

 

[Daisy]

then they didn't believe in Jesus. Or the holy spirit.

Your statement is false

My statement is true...do your own research...

 

[CLAX1911]

My statement is true...do your own research...

False, I have you are Incorrect.

 

[bomberfox]

So why your original comment to me? I'm confused...and perhaps you should try to understand that is a 2 way street...we are shunned for the same reasons...

Nah. You arent exactly shunned. Its a reaction to the harm JW put people through and the power hungry governing body with their heavy handed expectations. Its not a two way street for those that have lost their family.

 

[bomberfox]

The bitterness is usually on the side of the unbeliever...they resent their family member loving God more than them...

They resent being abandoned for disbelief. I doubt those governing body folk suffer much because they dont have to deal with their ENTIRE family and friends suddenly shunning them and now calling them mentally deficient. I value those that i see vs those i have no evidence of.

 

[bomberfox]

I think jewish people would object to their god being called Jehovah and they were the originators of the abrahamic faith.

 

[Daisy]

I think jewish people would object to their god being called Jehovah and they were the originators of the abrahamic faith.

Actually, they were the 1st people to use God's name at God's direction...

The Divine Name in the Hebrew Scriptures​

The divine name in the ancient Hebrew letters used before the Babylonian exile

The divine name in the Hebrew letters used after the Babylonian exile
The divine name, represented by the four Hebrew consonants יהוה, appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. This translation renders those four letters, known as the Tetragrammaton, “Jehovah.” That name is by far the most frequently occurring name in the Bible. While the inspired writers refer to God by many titles and descriptive terms, such as “Almighty,” “Most High,” and “Lord,” the Tetragrammaton is the only personal name they use to identify God.

Jehovah God himself directed Bible writers to use his name. For example, he inspired the prophet Joel to write: “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” (Joel 2:32) And God caused one psalmist to write: “May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18) In fact, the divine name appears some 700 times in the book of Psalms alone—a book of poetic writings that were to be sung and recited by God’s people. Why, then, is God’s name missing from many Bible translations? Why does this translation use the form “Jehovah”? And what does the divine name, Jehovah, mean?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070204

 

[RAMOSS]

Actually, they were the 1st people to use God's name at God's direction...

The Divine Name in the Hebrew Scriptures​

The divine name in the ancient Hebrew letters used before the Babylonian exile

The divine name in the Hebrew letters used after the Babylonian exile
The divine name, represented by the four Hebrew consonants יהוה, appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. This translation renders those four letters, known as the Tetragrammaton, “Jehovah.” That name is by far the most frequently occurring name in the Bible. While the inspired writers refer to God by many titles and descriptive terms, such as “Almighty,” “Most High,” and “Lord,” the Tetragrammaton is the only personal name they use to identify God.

Jehovah God himself directed Bible writers to use his name. For example, he inspired the prophet Joel to write: “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” (Joel 2:32) And God caused one psalmist to write: “May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18) In fact, the divine name appears some 700 times in the book of Psalms alone—a book of poetic writings that were to be sung and recited by God’s people. Why, then, is God’s name missing from many Bible translations? Why does this translation use the form “Jehovah”? And what does the divine name, Jehovah, mean?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070204

That is another thing JW's got wrong. It's not Jehovah at all. In fact, the term 'Jehovah' was no use until the 16th century.

 

[MamboDervish]

" . . . . at God's direction... "

"While the inspired writers refer to God by many titles . . . "

Jehovah God himself directed Bible writers to use his name.

"For example, he inspired the prophet Joel to write:

"And God caused one psalmist to write: “

And all of these assumptions are based on . . . . . . what? Because before any of the above, or its ilk, can come out of the bible, one must first assume the bible to be the word of god. And that assumption is not arrived at by reading the book. At least it's not arrived at by reading the book with an open mind - as in reading it with no assumptions and preconceptions. I know, because I've done that.

So none of this comes out of the book, without you first putting it in there yourself .. . . by assuming that its the word of god. Because without that fundamental assumption as a jumping off point, it's nothing more than a book of stories, told to appease precocious children.

 

[bomberfox]

Actually, they were the 1st people to use God's name at God's direction...

The Divine Name in the Hebrew Scriptures​

The divine name in the ancient Hebrew letters used before the Babylonian exile

The divine name in the Hebrew letters used after the Babylonian exile
The divine name, represented by the four Hebrew consonants יהוה, appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. This translation renders those four letters, known as the Tetragrammaton, “Jehovah.” That name is by far the most frequently occurring name in the Bible. While the inspired writers refer to God by many titles and descriptive terms, such as “Almighty,” “Most High,” and “Lord,” the Tetragrammaton is the only personal name they use to identify God.

Jehovah God himself directed Bible writers to use his name. For example, he inspired the prophet Joel to write: “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” (Joel 2:32) And God caused one psalmist to write: “May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18) In fact, the divine name appears some 700 times in the book of Psalms alone—a book of poetic writings that were to be sung and recited by God’s people. Why, then, is God’s name missing from many Bible translations? Why does this translation use the form “Jehovah”? And what does the divine name, Jehovah, mean?

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070204

Actually the name has always been Yaweh. If i wanted hebrew scholarship i would speak to rabbis not jehova’s witnesses lol.