How Barack Obama Bombed the “Paris of Africa” into a Hell Hole of Murder, Slave Trade, Sex Trafficking and Mass Starvation

[surada]

curious. were you on another message board? Because i had good conversations with a woman who was a big "fan" of king Idris.

But no i havent read those. and Im no blanket supporter of qadaffi, exceept he was able to bring a decent standard of living to most of Libya ( health care, literacy) ,, and from a terrorist p.o.v. Qadaffi really helped keep down the jihadi Islamists,
such as the Libyan Islamic Fighting group..He allowed the Brit SAS and the American CIA roam freely in the east ( Cyrenaica)

Are you familiar with his warning as the west plotted to take him out?

Gaddafi warned Blair his ousting would 'open door' to jihadis

Transcripts of 2011 calls reveal Libyan dictator predicted extremists would use his departure to start war in Mediterranean

www.theguardian.com

“We are not fighting them, they are attacking us. I want to tell you the truth. It is not a difficult situation at all. The story is simply this: an organisation has laid down sleeping cells in north Africa. Called the al-Qaida organisation in north Africa … The sleeping cells in Libya are similar to dormant cells in America before 9/11.”

Gaddafi added: “I will have to arm the people and get ready for a fight. Libyan people will die, damage will be on the Med, Europe and the whole world. These armed groups are using the situation [in Libya] as a justification – and we shall fight them.”

Gaddafi took credit for what Idris did. Gaddafi was also paranoid. His police force and military were all foreign nationals. He was afraid of the Libyan people.

 

[surada]

curious. were you on another message board? Because i had good conversations with a woman who was a big "fan" of king Idris.

But no i havent read those. and Im no blanket supporter of qadaffi, exceept he was able to bring a decent standard of living to most of Libya ( health care, literacy) ,, and from a terrorist p.o.v. Qadaffi really helped keep down the jihadi Islamists,
such as the Libyan Islamic Fighting group..He allowed the Brit SAS and the American CIA roam freely in the east ( Cyrenaica)

Are you familiar with his warning as the west plotted to take him out?

Gaddafi warned Blair his ousting would 'open door' to jihadis

Transcripts of 2011 calls reveal Libyan dictator predicted extremists would use his departure to start war in Mediterranean

www.theguardian.com

“We are not fighting them, they are attacking us. I want to tell you the truth. It is not a difficult situation at all. The story is simply this: an organisation has laid down sleeping cells in north Africa. Called the al-Qaida organisation in north Africa … The sleeping cells in Libya are similar to dormant cells in America before 9/11.”

Gaddafi added: “I will have to arm the people and get ready for a fight. Libyan people will die, damage will be on the Med, Europe and the whole world. These armed groups are using the situation [in Libya] as a justification – and we shall fight them.”

Gaddafi took credit for what Idris did. Gaddafi was also paranoid. His police force and military were all foreign nationals. He was afraid of the Libyan people.

 

[anatta]

Gaddafi took credit for what Idris did. Gaddafi was also paranoid. His police force and military were all foreign nationals. He was afraid of the Libyan people.

I asked you if we had spoken before. It would be on Just Plain Politics messgaboard. If so we had some good conversations on Idris

 

[surada]

I don't think I have posted there.. but I'm getting a little old and foggy.

 

[anatta]

I don't think I have posted there.. but I'm getting a little old and foggy.

I think you did briefly..w are both getting old and foggy however.
I was impressed with your knowledge of Idris and Libya under him, and we both agreed someone like him would be an ideal leader for Libya y, but it cant happen because politicians want power under the guise of democracy -not giving it to kings

 

[surada]

I think you did briefly..w are both getting old and foggy however.
I was impressed with your knowledge of Idris and Libya under him, and we both agreed someone like him would be an ideal leader for Libya y, but it cant happen because politicians want power under the guise of democracy -not giving it to kings

You're sweet. I don't have much hope for Libya any more.

 

[anatta]

You're sweet. I don't have much hope for Libya any more.

TY. much respect back. A king could unify the 3 regions, unlike the constant power grabbing by politicians
I persoanly would have been glad to see even general Hiftar seize power as these Presidential Council and hack politicians are unable to unify Libya

 

[ralfy]

This is only your second post in your own thread, It seems you don't have much to say.

What I want to say is found in the article. For additional points, I raised them in multiple threads. Let me know which ones you want to discuss.

Meanwhile, I've received additional points that agree with those found in the article in this thread. I'm waiting for counterarguments.

 

[PoS]

The US was hopeful that they could identify Eastern tribes that would support a return to the Idris Constitution. That's what the work at the annex was about.

That doesnt refute the fact that a diplomat was killed and AQ gained a foothold in Libya.

 

[surada]

That doesnt refute the fact that a diplomat was killed and AQ gained a foothold in Libya.

During the Dubya presidency 13 US embassies were attacked and 60 people were killed.

 

[PoS]

During the Dubya presidency 13 US embassies were attacked and 60 people were killed.

I never voted for Dubya, so your deflection failed.

 

[surada]

I never voted for Dubya, so your deflection failed.

Before Obama joined NATO and listened to the Arabs all 7 oil companies had pulled out of Libya. All embassies had evacuated. The Chinese railroad project had pulled out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy. Gaddafi promised a bloodbath. But, you're a keyboard expert on Libya.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Reading this magazine, it looks like what you would get if the Russian FSA and the Chinese CCP funded an anti-America propaganda campaign and published a magazine for it.

 

[PoS]

Before Obama joined NATO and listened to the Arabs all 7 oil companies had pulled out of Libya. All embassies had evacuated. The Chinese railroad project had pulled out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy. Gaddafi promised a bloodbath. But, you're a keyboard expert on Libya.

JC Stevens was killed after Khaddafy was overthrown. Thanks for proving just how clueless you are on Libya, and just about everything else.

 

[surada]

Ye

JC Stevens was killed after Khaddafy was overthrown. Thanks for proving just how clueless you are on Libya, and just about everything else.

Yes, 2012.. didn't you know? Everyone else does. Mass General and Benghazi hospital were launching a joint venture in emergency services.

 

[PoS]

Ye

Yes, 2012.. didn't you know? Everyone else does. Mass General and Benghazi hospital were launching a joint venture in emergency services.

You love Dubya and Khadaffy, we get it.

 

[surada]

You love Dubya and Khadaffy, we get it.

You may be a moron. Dubya made a mess. He did give Gaddafi a second chance. But, Gaddafi was famous for being deceitful.

 

[PoS]

You may be a moron. Dubya made a mess. He did give Gaddafi a second chance. But, Gaddafi was famous for being deceitful.

More Khadaffy mentions! Thanks for proving my point.

 

[yankintx]

Susan Rice primed the pump with calling Qadaffi troops "Viagra rape fueled" ( Amnesty found no evidence)
Hillary went around screaming "Qadaffi must go" and made him a military target, but the French were the initial lead voices.
while the USA air led in sorties, tonnage, missions. command and control

Libya has had failures in water to Tripoli ( ai cant t one point people drilled into sidewalks for water)
amist a continuing civil war brought on by NATO,, creating lots and lots of terrorists -including ISIS

Hillary justified it all with "we came we saw he died" ( after flying into Tripoli using her unsecured Blackberry)

Libya and it's leader where responsible for the PANAM bombing back in the 1980's.

Over 200 American Univesiry students where killed over the skies of Lockerbie.

As far as I am concerned, the butcher should have been fed to rabid dogs.

Hillary was spot on

 

[surada]

Susan Rice primed the pump with calling Qadaffi troops "Viagra rape fueled" ( Amnesty found no evidence)
Hillary went around screaming "Qadaffi must go" and made him a military target, but the French were the initial lead voices.
while the USA air led in sorties, tonnage, missions. command and control

Libya has had failures in water to Tripoli ( at one point people drilled into sidewalks for water)
amist a continuing civil war brought on by NATO,, creating lots and lots of terrorists -including ISIS

Hillary justified it all with "we came we saw he died" ( after flying into Tripoli using her unsecured Blackberry)

Hillary said that after the fact to a nincompoop. Gaddafi was always threatening assassinations. Like the time he drank the rosewater out of the fingerbowl at a state dinner. They laughed and he ordered the assassination of the Saudi King.

Tripoli had a good water source. You don't know anything about Libya or the barefoot Bedouin. He threw out the Idris Constitution and wrote his Green Book.

 

[surada]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Man-Made-Riverhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Man-Made-River#:~:text=Great%20Man%2DMade%20River%20(GMR)%2C%20vast%20network%20of,use%2C%20agriculture%2C%20and%20industry.

 

[anatta]

Libya and it's leader where responsible for the PANAM bombing back in the 1980's.

Over 200 American Univesiry students where killed over the skies of Lockerbie.

As far as I am concerned, the butcher should have been fed to rabid dogs.

Hillary was spot on

so you dont understand Qadaffi was a member in good standing at the UN
was set to get a humanitarian award

 

[anatta]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Man-Made-Riverhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Man-Made-River#:~:text=Great%20Man%2DMade%20River%20(GMR)%2C%20vast%20network%20of,use%2C%20agriculture%2C%20and%20industry.

War crime: NATO deliberately destroyed Libya's water infrastructure

The military targeting of civilian infrastructure, especially of water supplies, is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions, writes Nafeez Ahmed. Yet this is precisely what NATO did in Libya, while blaming the damage on Gaddafi himself. Since then, the country's water infrastructure - and the...

theecologist.org

It was in fact NATO which debilitated Libya's water supply by targeting critical state-owned water installations, including a water-pipe factory in Brega.

The factory, one of just two in the country (the other one being in Gaddafi's home-town of Sirte), manufactured pre-stressed concrete cylinder pipes for the Great Manmade River (GMR) project, an ingenious irrigation system transporting water from aquifers beneath Libya's southern desert to about 70% of the population.

On 18th July, a rebel commander boasted that some of Gaddafi's troops had holed up in industrial facilities in Brega, but that rebels had blocked their access to water: "Their food and water supplies are cut and they now will not be able to sleep."

In other words, the rebels, not Gaddafi loyalists, had sabotaged the GMR water pipeline into Brega. On 22nd July, NATO followed up by bombing the Brega water-pipes factory on the pretext that it was a Gaddafi "military storage" facility concealing rocket launchers.

 

[anatta]

JC Stevens was killed after Khaddafy was overthrown. Thanks for proving just how clueless you are on Libya, and just about everything else.

rhe ambassador was killed by ANTI-Qadaffi forces ( the NTC/)in the east - nothing to do with qadaffi or his leftover troops

 

[anatta]

Hillary said that after the fact to a nincompoop. Gaddafi was always threatening assassinations. Like the time he drank the rosewater out of the fingerbowl at a state dinner. They laughed and he ordered the assassination of the Saudi King.

Tripoli had a good water source. You don't know anything about Libya or the barefoot Bedouin. He threw out the Idris Constitution and wrote his Green Book.

im quite familiar with the Great Man Made river -if not every Qadaffi peculiarity.
We've had this discussion before. Qadaffi was a thug until after Reagan bombed his tent

Then he got rid of his nukes, and greatly increased the standard of living and literacy in Libya

Hillary organized the military to kill him ( got Obama to designate him as a military target..read hr role in Wikileaks
* the actual Sullivan email is taken down

Clinton’s staff thought they could tout her role in Libya as a diplomatic triumph. An April 4, 2012, email from Sullivan provides a lengthy chronology of “Secretary Clinton’s leadership on Libya,” stating: ”HRC has been a critical voice on Libya in ... securing the authorization, building the coalition and tightening the noose” around Gaddafi’s regime.