How about Detroit.....

[Oceandan]

Another bastion of crony corrupt socialist statist democrats is in an emergency financial state. Shocker I know. The "non democrat" Governor is deciding whether to assign an emergency manager.

It started with cities in California, yet another democrat controlled state, where taxes are causing business and successful citizens to flee. It's now spread to Michigan. Illinois, and Cook County specifically may be in worse shape.

It won't be long for one of these states to declare bankruptcy.

All this evidence and yet, in Washington D.C, we continue at breakneck speed down the same path.

We now officially have an "electorate" who not only re elected the man with his foot on the accelerator, but cheers each time he proposes increasing the rate of acceleration.

The "non democrat" party establishment believes they need to be "democrat lite" to win a national election. They (establishment non democrats) have completely abandoned fiscal conservative principles.

Given the mathematical parameters of the bell curve baby boomers reaching retirement age over the next 16 years and those effects on social security, medicare/medicaid, and now obamanationcare, even though I'm an optimist, I see no way to avoid the coming financial hardship.

We have an extremely short, and rapidly closing, window to soften the blow. Four years from now, in my humble opinion the window is shut tight.

Am I wrong?

 

[ttwtt78640]

The myth that taxing "the rich" will solve this "temporary" fiscal problem sustains the power of the hopey changey crew. Expect bailouts of blue states/cities that "Bush policies" destroyed to be added to the "stimulus" soon.

 

[Oceandan]

I'm hoping the "non democrats" in Washington will maintain the pledge, "no state bail outs from the Federal Government". I'm not too optimistic however.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I'm hoping the "non democrats" in Washington will maintain the pledge, "no state bail outs from the Federal Government". I'm not too optimistic however.

Those "non Democrats" are too busy arguing about abortion, gay marriage, and gun control to pay much attention to federal spending. Real, fiscal conservatives are as rare as whooping cranes in Washington.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Those "non Democrats" are too busy arguing about abortion, gay marriage, and gun control to pay much attention to federal spending. Real, fiscal conservatives are as rare as whooping cranes in Washington.

You may have the first one right, abortion, but it's Democrats who are arguing about instituting gay marriage rights and gun ownership restrictions, not Republicans - Republicans are simply fending off assaults in those areas from the left all the while trying to keep Democrats away from the money.

 

[Ray410]

Those "non Democrats" are too busy arguing about abortion, gay marriage, and gun control to pay much attention to federal spending. Real, fiscal conservatives are as rare as whooping cranes in Washington.

Pretty accurate except you just had to insert "gun control" in there. Other than that, there is a huge disconnect between the inclination of the RINOs in Washington to immediately surrender to the braying loons on all issues instead of representing the Americans who sent them to Washington.

 

[Dittohead not!]

You may have the first one right, abortion, but it's Democrats who are arguing about instituting gay marriage rights and gun ownership restrictions, not Republicans - Republicans are simply fending off assaults in those areas from the left all the while trying to keep Democrats away from the money.

While trying to keep Democrats away from the money so that they can spend it the way they see fit.

 

[CanadaJohn]

While trying to keep Democrats away from the money so that they can spend it the way they see fit.

Perhaps - but seems to me it's the Republicans who have come to the position that while they originally hoped the sequestration would give them time for a better deal they now accept that the sequestration is the only way they are going to secure some much needed reductions in spending and they are going to let it come into effect unless the President and the Democrats come up with a better deal, with more or different cuts, to entitlements perhaps, without the standard tax increases they always mouth every time they speak.

 

[polgara]

You may have the first one right, abortion, but it's Democrats who are arguing about instituting gay marriage rights and gun ownership restrictions, not Republicans - Republicans are simply fending off assaults in those areas from the left all the while trying to keep Democrats away from the money.

Good afternoon, CJ.

I understand that the left feels it has a moral imperative to attack anything the Republicans want, and the Republicans feel the moral imperative to disagree with them, but when the lawmakers voted on the sequester, it became the basis for automatic cuts. So why is BHO NOW fighting against cutting spending, when he knew at the time what the goal was? What kind of game is this?

 

[CanadaJohn]

Good afternoon, CJ.

I understand that the left feels it has a moral imperative to attack anything the Republicans want, and the Republicans feel the moral imperative to disagree with them, but when the lawmakers voted on the sequester, it became the basis for automatic cuts. So why is BHO NOW fighting against cutting spending, when he knew at the time what the goal was? What kind of game is this?

Both sides got what they wanted out of the sequestration with the knowledge that it gave them time to work on a better deal. Republicans have come to the conclusion that this is the best deal they can get, that assures some cuts to program spending, and are willing to accept the defense cuts as a cost - Democrats and the President need to offer something better and are unwilling to do so. Obama's goal was never to cut spending, it was simply to kick the can down the road past the 2012 election.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Good afternoon, CJ.

I understand that the left feels it has a moral imperative to attack anything the Republicans want, and the Republicans feel the moral imperative to disagree with them, but when the lawmakers voted on the sequester, it became the basis for automatic cuts. So why is BHO NOW fighting against cutting spending, when he knew at the time what the goal was? What kind of game is this?

Actually it became the basis for allowing the "Bush" tax cuts to expire and to make tiny sequestration spending cuts - mostly by not allowing automatic "baseline" spending increases. The game was first to not do 98.6% of those tax increases and now to forget most the spending cuts too. Obama has discovered a new meaning for "balance", it now means that for every $1 of spending cuts that we need $1 in tax increases. Of course, that "balance" was never needed for for his 2009 ARRA deal that added spending and cut taxation. Obama will now push for more spending; note that the tax "the rich" deal added $60 billion in federal revenue for 2013 but also added $30 billion in extra UI benefit extension and $60 billion in Sandy storm relief federal spending making the "net" for the month of January 2013 be $30 billion in added deficit spending.

 

[Diogenes]

Good afternoon, CJ.

I understand that the left feels it has a moral imperative to attack anything the Republicans want, and the Republicans feel the moral imperative to disagree with them, but when the lawmakers voted on the sequester, it became the basis for automatic cuts. So why is BHO NOW fighting against cutting spending, when he knew at the time what the goal was? What kind of game is this?

The game is that the Republicans are calling Obama's bluff. Our latter day King Canute may be about to discover that rhetoric alone will not hold back the tide.

 

[Redress]

Another bastion of crony corrupt socialist statist democrats is in an emergency financial state. Shocker I know. The "non democrat" Governor is deciding whether to assign an emergency manager.

It started with cities in California, yet another democrat controlled state, where taxes are causing business and successful citizens to flee. It's now spread to Michigan. Illinois, and Cook County specifically may be in worse shape.

It won't be long for one of these states to declare bankruptcy.

All this evidence and yet, in Washington D.C, we continue at breakneck speed down the same path.

We now officially have an "electorate" who not only re elected the man with his foot on the accelerator, but cheers each time he proposes increasing the rate of acceleration.

The "non democrat" party establishment believes they need to be "democrat lite" to win a national election. They (establishment non democrats) have completely abandoned fiscal conservative principles.

Given the mathematical parameters of the bell curve baby boomers reaching retirement age over the next 16 years and those effects on social security, medicare/medicaid, and now obamanationcare, even though I'm an optimist, I see no way to avoid the coming financial hardship.

We have an extremely short, and rapidly closing, window to soften the blow. Four years from now, in my humble opinion the window is shut tight.

Am I wrong?

How about Grand Rapids, another city in Michigan going through very hard times, and run by republicans...

 

[Jack Fabulous]

How about Grand Rapids, another city in Michigan going through very hard times, and run by republicans...

What about it?

 

[Fenton]

I'm hoping the "non democrats" in Washington will maintain the pledge,
"no state bail outs from the Federal Government". I'm not too optimistic however.

Bail them out with what ?

 

[Fenton]

How about Grand Rapids, another city in Michigan going through very hard
times, and run by republicans...

I would imagine any city in Michigan is struggling right now.

 

[Redress]

I would imagine any city in Michigan is struggling right now.

For the most part true. Why I live in Georgia now, among other reasons. Note that republicans have had at least partial control of the Michigan government for quite some time.

 

[Fog hit]

For the most part true. Why I live in Georgia now, among other reasons. Note that republicans have had at least partial control of the Michigan government for quite some time.

Boy... Neither one of you know Michigan. We dodged a bullet, and are doing quite well now... No thanks to the red state republicans. I suspect that the red states had everything to gain by the big 3 Going belly up. That's when the majority of ganders realized that we are not as united as we thought we were.

Also... Detroit, is not the be all, and end all of Michigan. There is a totally different world of Michigan, to the west and north of Detroit.

 

[JC Callender]

When Snyder became governor, Michigan started to rebound. There are cities other than Detroit doing better now and companies are starting to hire again.

Detroit, the Model City for the War on Poverty, has been governed solely by Democrats for over 50 years. Snyder has a decision now on what to do with Detroit, and in typical Detroit politics fashion, a city official has come out with charges of racism already.

For the most part true. Why I live in Georgia now, among other reasons. Note that republicans have had at least partial control of the Michigan government for quite some time.

 

[JC Callender]

Good evening Foghit......I guess we'll just hang on again until the next major GM screw up and watch the economy tank for another several years. I don't know exactly what would've happened with GM without the bailout and I don't think most people really do, but I sincerely wouldn't have minded if the government wouldn't have bailed them out. I would've liked to see a more responsible company take over their assets, and in the meantime while selling those assets, diversify our economy more. And GM still owes several billion dollars that it looks like we'll never see again.


Foghit wrote: Also... Detroit, is not the be all, and end all of Michigan. There is a totally different world of Michigan, to the west and north of Detroit.[/QUOTE]

 

[Bonzai]

When Snyder became governor, Michigan started to rebound


This sounds vaguely "pixie dustish" and someone should be slightly embarrassed by posting such tripe......................

 

[Fog hit]

When Snyder became governor, Michigan started to rebound


This sounds vaguely "pixie dustish" and someone should be slightly embarrassed by posting such tripe......................

Good grief... These yo yo's will believe anything.

About the time that truth takes a backseat to party rah rah... Then this experiment is doomed.

I'm convinced we are watching the end of something that could have been beautiful.

 

[Bonzai]

Good grief... These yo yo's will believe anything.

About the time that truth takes a backseat to party rah rah... Then this experiment is doomed.

I'm convinced we are watching the end of something that could have been beautiful.

Hi, i was reading an article about the controversy in Encinitas CA about yoga classes and was thinking the same thing...............

 

[polgara]

When Snyder became governor, Michigan started to rebound


This sounds vaguely "pixie dustish" and someone should be slightly embarrassed by posting such tripe......................

Good evening, Bonz.

JC Callender is a resident of Detroit, so I tend to pay attention to what he knows about his City. You can't overlook the fact that it has been going downhill for a while, but I read recently that many new projects are in the works to try revitalizing the place. Time will tell if it's successful...and their new Republican governor seems to be popular, so we'll see....

 

[Bonzai]

Good evening, Bonz.

JC Callender is a resident of Detroit, so I tend to pay attention to what he knows about his City. You can't overlook the fact that it has been going downhill for a while, but I read recently that many new projects are in the works to try revitalizing the place. Time will tell if it's successful...and their new Republican governor seems to be popular, so we'll see....

I think the decline of Detroit was due to suburbanization, racial friction, and structural changes in the world industrial economy. Those problems are in no way dealt with by a GOP governor promising to banish the terrifying union boogeyman to NeverNeverland, sorry.................