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How about a compromise on gun control?

Craig234

Craig234

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We get much more serious in our bans on civilian guns that especially threaten criminal and mass shootings, and for the 'protection from a tyrannical federal government' we allow serious military units in state-controlled National Guard units. Essentially anything but nukes.
 
Craig234 said:
We get much more serious in our bans on civilian guns that especially threaten criminal and mass shootings, and for the 'protection from a tyrannical federal government' we allow serious military units in state-controlled National Guard units. Essentially anything but nukes.
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what to firearms owners get from that "compromise"
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nothing, but there are those who think that living in a nanny state where they decide whatever privileges they want you to have is a reasonable “compromise”.
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the founders had the best compromise-the federal government doesn 't try to disarm and oppress the population and the population doesn't use its arms to overthrow the government
 
If you want an AR-15, fine. It should be just like the way you get a legal machine gun. Expensive and a long wait.

Stop the production of AR's and the price will rightfully skyrocket. Add in a 6 month waiting period and tons of government forms to submit, and psychos won't bother with them when they're expensive and a long wait.
 
Craig234 said:
We get much more serious in our bans on civilian guns that especially threaten criminal and mass shootings, and for the 'protection from a tyrannical federal government' we allow serious military units in state-controlled National Guard units. Essentially anything but nukes.
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Hmm… you get your tyrannical federal government gun bans and we get what state governments already have. How is that a “compromise”?
 
MovingPictures said:
If you want an AR-15, fine. It should be just like the way you get a legal machine gun. Expensive and a long wait.

Stop the production of AR's and the price will rightfully skyrocket. Add in a 6 month waiting period and tons of government forms to submit, and psychos won't bother with them when they're expensive and a long wait.
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unconstitutional nonsense and it won't impact the criminals at all

why don't you actually try to suggest something that actually will decrease crime rather than harass honest people and isn't legal or feasible?
 
MovingPictures said:
If you want an AR-15, fine. It should be just like the way you get a legal machine gun. Expensive and a long wait.

Stop the production of AR's and the price will rightfully skyrocket. Add in a 6 month waiting period and tons of government forms to submit, and psychos won't bother with them when they're expensive and a long wait.
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A semi-automatic rifle is not “just like” a machine gun simply because you decided to call it “military style”.
 
Roger Duke said:
I'm sorry, but could you explain what this part means.
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"Bigger than Texas" I think is the idea. But it begs the question: what are citizens to do if the State government turns tyrannical?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
A semi-automatic rifle is not “just like” a machine gun simply because you decided to call it “military style”.
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JFC, work on your reading comprehension.

I said the weapons should be regulated the same.

Done with your NRA come backs?
 
MovingPictures said:
JFC, work on your reading comprehension.

I said the weapons should be regulated the same.

Done with your NRA come backs?
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you do know that legal machine guns made after 1986 have been banned for private citizens. do you want that to be done to semi auto rifles

do you want to do that to handguns as well ?
 
MovingPictures said:
If you want an AR-15, fine. It should be just like the way you get a legal machine gun. Expensive and a long wait.

Stop the production of AR's and the price will rightfully skyrocket. Add in a 6 month waiting period and tons of government forms to submit, and psychos won't bother with them when they're expensive and a long wait.
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You shouldn't hold it out as a perfect solution. For one thing, there are a lot more AR-15's out there than full machine guns, so it would take quite a while for their market price to increase.

In the Texas school shooting, it would likely have helped if the cops had been able to consult an electronic record from a cruiser, and have a pretty good idea what the gun-boy was armed with. I expect they'd be less timid if they knew they were facing a fairly small calibre rifle.
 
TurtleDude said:
you do know that legal machine guns made after 1986 have been banned for private citizens. do you want that to be done to semi auto rifles

do you want to do that to handguns as well ?
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Handguns kill a lot more people, but why is this fact is always brought up when there's a mass shooting using a rifle?

It's like rifle owners need cover from gang-bangers and jealous ex's. Instead of rightly holding them in contempt as traitors to the gun owning public.
 
Spirit of The Millennium said:
Handguns kill a lot more people, but why is this fact is always brought up when there's a mass shooting using a rifle?

It's like rifle owners need cover from gang-bangers and jealous ex's. Instead of rightly holding them in contempt as traitors to the gun owning public.
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what guns do you want to ban
 
TurtleDude said:
what guns do you want to ban
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I'm for gun licensing, not gun banning. The most destructive guns like 50 cals I would allow only on secure ranges, and I wouldn't allow anyone to have anti-aircraft guns or missiles. I could even give ground on full autos, since the people prepared to go to that much trouble seem to be responsible gun owners.

Theft from private homes is an issue, so above 2 rifles and 2 pistols I'd require owners to either keep excess guns at a secure range, or to install a good safe and alarms. The reason for 2 instead of 1 is to provide overlap if they're upgrading, and for the rare household where the woman wants her own gun.
 
Spirit of The Millennium said:
I'm for gun licensing, not gun banning. The most destructive guns like 50 cals I would allow only on secure ranges, and I wouldn't allow anyone to have anti-aircraft guns or missiles. I could even give ground on full autos, since the people prepared to go to that much trouble seem to be responsible gun owners.

Theft from private homes is an issue, so above 2 rifles and 2 pistols I'd require owners to either keep excess guns at a secure range, or to install a good safe and alarms. The reason for 2 instead of 1 is to provide overlap if they're upgrading, and for the rare household where the woman wants her own gun.
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you think criminals who cannot legally own firearms now will do any of that? Sounds like you don't want poor people to have firearms

but I will give you credit for making a good effort

good night
 
Spirit of The Millennium said:
Handguns kill a lot more people, but why is this fact is always brought up when there's a mass shooting using a rifle?
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Because mass shootings using rifles amount to little more than a rounding error in the overall scheme of the gun control discussion, and rifles also happen to be more relevant from a 2nd Amendment point of view.
 
MovingPictures said:
If you want an AR-15, fine. It should be just like the way you get a legal machine gun. Expensive and a long wait.

Stop the production of AR's and the price will rightfully skyrocket. Add in a 6 month waiting period and tons of government forms to submit, and psychos won't bother with them when they're expensive and a long wait.
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So, then the criminals will just buy Ruger Mini 14s. Or maybe shotguns. Or maybe just a couple of handguns like the Virginia Tech shooter.

AR-15s are not the problem.
 
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