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House votes to pass debt ceiling bill in win for McCarthy

Chomsky said:
But why should this be done at all? Negotiate the Debt Ceiling?

It's never been anything more than a perfunctory technicality, until it's only recently been used politically.

McCarthy should concentrate on his budget for his Congress, not trying to influence the budget of the prior Congress. It's none of his business, to be honest. The money's already been legally allocated.
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Much of it in huge ‘last minute’ bills which nobody read, much less debated.

Chomsky said:
You'd think Cruz et al learned their lesson when they tried to pull this stunt on Obama? Obama held, they caved, and Republicans took the lion's share of the blame. That was it for Cruz' shining star of the Party.

Last time it took two months before Social Security checks would be stopped. Let's see how long McCarthy can act stupid? I'm betting he'll fold before then, as Cruz did. Shut-off Social Security and they're dead meat.
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ttwtt78640 said:
My guess, based on what Biden has said, is none. Biden has demanded a ‘clean’ debt ceiling increase to an unspecified amount. If any agreement is going to happen, it would have to come from the Senate.
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Interesting point. But I don't see the Dem's falling for it or parting ways with Biden. Surely not in the election season!
 
Chomsky said:
Given that the money was legally budgeted already, I'm not sure why Biden should agree to cuts? Let McCarthy try to cut his own budget, is my feeling.

Inflation/COL went up 9%, and he wants to cut?
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Chomsky, this comment makes it sound as if you don't think there is either value or necessity in budget cuts. Is that true?

Let's look at the proposed food stamp plan. This is from CNN.

"The bill would fulfill Republicans’ longstanding goal of beefing up work requirements in food stamps and adding them to Medicaid.

Under the plan, childless, able-bodied adults ages 18 to 55 would be able to get food stamps only for three months out of every three years unless they are employed at least 20 hours a week or meet other criteria. Currently, that mandate applies to those ages 18 to 49, though it has been suspended during the Covid-19 public health emergency, which expires on May 11."

The limitations regarding work requirements for food stamps are already in place for ages 18-49. This bill changes that upper age from 49 to 55. That work requirement was suspended during covid but that suspension was already set to end on May 11. Do you find the concept of adding an additional 6 years to the upper end of that age bracket especially disturbing?

Were you even aware that this work requirement is and has been current law?
Do you have any suggestions of anywhere in the budget where any cuts would be okay or warranted, in your opinion? If not, are you comfortable with the level at which the debt is rising?
You think Biden shouldn't agree to cuts - why? Is it because you support the partisan nature of simply disagreeing, because you think the budget/debt is just fine, or other?
 
dobieg said:
Then it would be Democrats who are voting against raising the debt ceiling as House Republicans already voted to raise it.
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The point was to get a vote on the bill not just have the Senate table it without one.
 
noonereal said:
Lol

He folded to MAGA NUTS
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Yep!

Just like last time Boehner folded to Cruz & the Tea Baggers, and look what happened? Obama didn't budge an inch, and they bled until they caved.

Mark my words: If they let it go until Social Security checks stop, they will feel the pain in next year's election.
 
Chomsky said:
Interesting point. But I don't see the Dem's falling for it or parting ways with Biden. Surely not in the election season!
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The Biden submitted “budget” (outline?) calls for almost $7T in annual federal spending. Anyone sane would be “parting ways with Biden”.

President Biden unveiled his budget on Thursday, a $6.9 trillion proposal that would include spending on his long-standing pledges like universal preschool, paid leave and more childcare funding.

Over the longer term, the White House says Biden's plan would reduce the deficit, thanks in large part to tax hikes on corporations and the rich. But in fiscal 2024, it would spend $1.8 trillion more than the government would take in.
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Chomsky said:
I wouldn't do it. I'd hold pat, use the bully-pulpit (as Obama did against Ted Cruz), and let them bleed until they cave (again, as Obama did).

If they let it go to the point of stopping Social Security checks, the self-inflicted harm should be evident during next year's election (I hope).
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I'm willing to go there. In fact, I'm betting the overwhelming majority of Republicans are demanding they do just that. Especially after all the BS we've had to deal with from Democrats since 2016. If Republicans cave, McCarthy will likely lose his speakership and many others will be voted out of office.
 
Moon said:
The Democrats in the last Congress should have anticipated this and passed a debt ceiling increase when they had the majority. Of course, it’s possible they did anticipate this and decided this fight was worth having knowing the Republicans would get the blame.
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Dems figured the Repubs would cave, or just go along with Omnibus and the Establishment McConnell types.
Im impressed. an actual backbone and leadership skills
 
dobieg said:
I'm willing to go there. In fact, I'm betting the overwhelming majority of Republicans are demanding they do just that. Especially after all the BS we've had to deal with from Democrats since 2016. If Republicans cave, McCarthy will likely lose his speakership and many others will be voted out of office.
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Not a chance
 
Metric Mouse said:
He did his job. He rounded up his caucus and got it passed. Gave some wiggle room. Pretty damn good show from a speaker who is navigating a big tent party.

No reflection on the actual bill, but it shows McCarthy has the skills to unite lead.
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I'll give him that.

But I don't respect what he's doing at all. He's playing politics with our economy rating and credit, because he has no way getting what he wants legislatively.
 
gbg3 said:
It would be a huge plus for both McCarthy and for Biden if they passed it in the Senate and Biden signed it. I ran across an opinion piece in my newsfeed the other day that said just that and I found myself nodding in agreement. Biden claims he wants to work across the aisle but expecting the GOP to work with him and then refusing to work with them is not showing the voters he is sincere.

This is a good, logical, and moderate offer the GOP has crafted, worked hard on, and passed. As McCarthy pointed out after the vote, it's the only debt ceiling increase on the table right now. Voters are worried about the debt and polls reflect that. The proposals in this moderate bill are proposals widely supported by voters. If Biden were to put his partisanship aside and work to and agree to pass something like this bill, he'd be as much of a hero as McCarthy is for getting it passed in the House.

Do I think that's how Biden will respond to this House passed bill, thus making him look like a work across the aisle president? No, I don't. We'll soon see. The Republicans have made a good, moderate, and well considered starting offer.
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In what universe does Biden agreeing to a bill that rolls back much of his legislative wins of his first two years translate to a plus?
 
gbg3 said:
It would be a huge plus for both McCarthy and for Biden if they passed it in the Senate and Biden signed it. I ran across an opinion piece in my newsfeed the other day that said just that and I found myself nodding in agreement. Biden claims he wants to work across the aisle but expecting the GOP to work with him and then refusing to work with them is not showing the voters he is sincere.

This is a good, logical, and moderate offer the GOP has crafted, worked hard on, and passed. As McCarthy pointed out after the vote, it's the only debt ceiling increase on the table right now. Voters are worried about the debt and polls reflect that. The proposals in this moderate bill are proposals widely supported by voters. If Biden were to put his partisanship aside and work to and agree to pass something like this bill, he'd be as much of a hero as McCarthy is for getting it passed in the House.

Do I think that's how Biden will respond to this House passed bill, thus making him look like a work across the aisle president? No, I don't. We'll soon see. The Republicans have made a good, moderate, and well considered starting offer.
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This is not a surprise. No, the proposals are not widely supported by voters. Can you name two?
 
iguanaman said:
Really? Ask that idiot you linked to what concessions were made in the 3 debt ceiling increases under Trump. That answer is NONE. Historically debt ceiling increases are not combined with concessions and this one will be no different. It does not matter whether Biden negotiates he will only sign a clean bill.
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Bingo!

McCarthy is playing politics with our economy & credit worthiness, in lieu of passing legislation. That's because he can't. So, he's doing this.
 
Mycroft said:
Either the Senate Dems will squash the bill...and take the blame...or they will chicken out, pass the bill and let Biden veto it...and Biden will take the blame.
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No, it won't work that way. The Senate will never pass it, so there will be no veto. Republicans are ultimately going to get the blame for overreaching on a matter that is not typically negotiated, essentially setting themselves up as suicide bombers and demanding ransom to keep them from pulling the pin.

They probably could get something minor for their vote, but they are overreaching big time. Economists estimate that the average 401(k) will take a $25K hit (about 20%) if they don't get this done. I guess it will create a buying opportunity for all of us, eh? Fortunately the stock market will begin to slide in the days leading up to the "deadline", which should put sense into the Republicans that they are out of line.
 
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Callen said:
In what universe does Biden agreeing to a bill that rolls back much of his legislative wins of his first two years translate to a plus?
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If Biden refuses to negotiate then the default is on him. Just as it was when Pelosi forced Trump to negotiate when she was House speaker and a Republican was president.
 
iguanaman said:
McCarthy did not work with any Democrats writing this joke of a GOP wish list that just postpones another debt ceiling fight for an election year. Why would Biden work with McCarthy now? It is already in the trash where it belongs. He has had his fun now is it is the time to actually work and do his job and pass a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling that will pass the Senate and Biden will sign.
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Why is a 'clean bill' the only option? Because you want it?
 
nvflash said:
What a useless waste of air, pen, and paper.

If there is one thing we know everyone in Washington can agree on it's more debt.

(R) only has these come to Jesus moments on debt and spending when they do not hold the executive branch.

I guess you have to extract anything you can get when you are trying to regain the executive.
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The debt's already been increased. The question is: "Will McCarthy honor the bill?".
 
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