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House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed video

Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

What is that smell?

That fresh air smell when there are no smoking guns around.

8 hearings, all finding no smoking gun against Hillary....give it up already!
 
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That's actually been proven by the fact the political appointees inside the administration concocted this video story, and had Clinton and Rice selling it. So cue your damn music because the shoe fits. Own it!

So...

If Obama appointees pushed the narrative, doesn't that by definition mean that Hillary wasn't at fault for any of it?

Careful now...following the President's lead who, in turn, was going off the security analysis of the Intelligence Community...wouldn't that be very similar to GW Bush believing the wrong intelligence that he and his Administration (SecDef Collin Powell) pitched to the nation and then the world only later having to admit "we got the intelligence wrong?"

This above all else is what really infuriated me about this GOP Benghazi witch-hunt! It was perfectly okay and justifiable for the Republican leadership to "get the facts and the narrative wrong" when they were in power - a mistake that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - but nothing short of imprisonment if such a mistake happened under a Democrat where only 4 people lost their lives. Anyone who can't see why the 2nd and subsequent GOP-run investigations/hearings on Benghazi were utter :bs really needs their head examined.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

What is that smell?

That fresh air smell when there are no smoking guns around.

8 hearings, all finding no smoking gun against Hillary....give it up already!

But they won't. They still have the email scandal which they'll continue to push until they're forced to (secretly) acknowledge "we got out Tricky Dicked!" (Referring to Dick Cheney's instruction to all GWB White House staff never to write anything down; commit it to memory. Leave no paper trail. And let's not forget ole Hillary was once part of the neocon club during the Nixon years.)
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

So...

If Obama appointees pushed the narrative, doesn't that by definition mean that Hillary wasn't at fault for any of it?

Careful now...following the President's lead who, in turn, was going off the security analysis of the Intelligence Community...wouldn't that be very similar to GW Bush believing the wrong intelligence that he and his Administration (SecDef Collin Powell) pitched to the nation and then the world only later having to admit "we got the intelligence wrong?"

This above all else is what really infuriated me about this GOP Benghazi witch-hunt! It was perfectly okay and justifiable for the Republican leadership to "get the facts and the narrative wrong" when they were in power - a mistake that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - but nothing short of imprisonment if such a mistake happened under a Democrat where only 4 people lost their lives. Anyone who can't see why the 2nd and subsequent GOP-run investigations/hearings on Benghazi were utter :bs really needs their head examined.

They didn't get the facts wrong, they manufactured them. That's the difference. There's no witch hunt, people lied about this, for whatever reason(s); but they lied.
 
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But they won't. They still have the email scandal which they'll continue to push until they're forced to (secretly) acknowledge "we got out Tricky Dicked!" (Referring to Dick Cheney's instruction to all GWB White House staff never to write anything down; commit it to memory. Leave no paper trail. And let's not forget ole Hillary was once part of the neocon club during the Nixon years.)

They can't stop, its the cult of BENGHAZI!!!!!
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

The actual report - Select Committee on Benghazi Releases Proposed Report | Select Committee on Benghazi



Thats just for starters, and its not really much different than we already knew.

1. The state dept sent a ambassador into a known hostile country without proper security, and then ignored that ambassadors requests for more security
2. during the attack the state and defense failed to respond to an attack, and it was only the sacrifice of CIA contractors and some local militia that saved any lives
3. after it was all over the executive branch tried to cover its ass and and obstruct investigation

Furthermore, CONGRESS is responsible for checking the Exec. What is their role in making sure the exec is doing its job?

Apparently the military that were supposed to go with him were pulled. Then there was the worry of sending our Marines in uniform, and it might spoil diplomacy. Let me tell you, when we send in out Marines, I want them in uniform with an American flag patch and one that says Marines. I want them to drop on you like a ton of bricks, and I want you to know who it is. That's the purpose of the military. They were worried about spoiling diplomacy, and probably embarrassed by our troops.
 
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He was there on CIA business, they were advising him and even told him to keep a low profile. Besides the CIA had the only outpost there. Are you now denying that that CIA is responsible for our foreign intelligence operations? What do they do then?

Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy DC

Are you saying the Stevens was there working for the CIA?
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Hmm. Well you make a fair point that this investigation only confirmed that Hillary Clinton isn't terribly competent and is a pathological liar, which was already common knowledge among a lot of folks, and not important to a lot of others.

I think the email scandal is a far better reason to hate her, so again I agree with your overall premise.That one either proves her to be grossly incompetent or grossly dishonest, and maybe not mutually exclusive.
:lamo

I think the e-mail "scandal" is even more stupid than the Benghazi nonsense. Hillary Clinton kept a private server to avoid FOIA requests. I think this is pretty obvious. Her saying "I didn't want to carry two phones" will go down as one of the worst excuses ever. But, at the end of the day, she didn't do anything which was not permitted by law at the time and she did the same thing other people before her had done. As far as the "hacking" aspect of it goes, that argument is just downright stupid as we KNOW the State Department has been hacked several times over the years and John Kerry has even said he simply assumes Russia is reading his e-mail.

The e-mail scandal is less of a scandal than Benghazi. It's just more echo chamber noise designed to enrage the simpletons who cannot think for themselves.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

There's plenty of evidence of wrongdoing.

And somehow, only you have it, none of the 8 hearings had it...

:lamo
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Hillary just secured the nomination and had the best 3 weeks of her political life yet she gained 0 in the polls. That is the definition of nothing in the arsenal. Trump just had his worst 3 week and even the heavily weighted toward democrats polls show he is rapidly recovering.

Uh, no. The polls are showing that Trump is down 12 points, and it is holding steady. But, if you need to live in another reality...do so.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

So...

If Obama appointees pushed the narrative, doesn't that by definition mean that Hillary wasn't at fault for any of it?

Careful now...following the President's lead who, in turn, was going off the security analysis of the Intelligence Community...wouldn't that be very similar to GW Bush believing the wrong intelligence that he and his Administration (SecDef Collin Powell) pitched to the nation and then the world only later having to admit "we got the intelligence wrong?"

This above all else is what really infuriated me about this GOP Benghazi witch-hunt! It was perfectly okay and justifiable for the Republican leadership to "get the facts and the narrative wrong" when they were in power - a mistake that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - but nothing short of imprisonment if such a mistake happened under a Democrat where only 4 people lost their lives. Anyone who can't see why the 2nd and subsequent GOP-run investigations/hearings on Benghazi were utter :bs really needs their head examined.

Hillary WAS an Obama appointee.
What Intelligence officer blamed the video?
Did Hillary say it was the video in public yet blame it on a terrorist attack in private?
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Nope. Not crack.



It was the CIA's assessment of the time that the film Innocence of Muslims had to do something with the attack, this is well documented. Turned out to be wrong, but it was the intelligence at the time.

Susan Rice, then-U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said on Sunday talk shows that week that the "current best assessment" was the attack was an extension of the protests against "The Innocence of Muslims" happening elsewhere, including the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. "That's the best information we have at present," Rice told ABC News' Jake Tapper. She was telling the truth — a CIA assessment in those early days had indeed found that was the case, but that information turned out to be wrong." Benghazi 101: What You Need to Know Ahead of Clinton'''s Testimony - NBC News

Dont believe NBC? Take it from the CIA itself then:
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https://books.google.com/books?id=3...NAhXI6YMKHcs3CigQ6AEIUjAH#v=onepage&q&f=false


Nope.
"Soon after the initial reports about the attack in Benghazi were received, General Dempsey and I met with President Obama and he ordered all available DOD assets to respond to the attack in Libya and to protect U.S. personnel and interests in the region. It's important to remember that in addition to responding to the situation in Benghazi, we were also concerned about potential threats to U.S. personnel in Tunis, Tripoli, Cairo, Sana'a, and elsewhere that could potentially require a military response." Defense.gov Secretary of Defense Testimony: Statement on the Attacks on the US Facilities in Benghazi, Libya before the Senate Armed Services Committee


False. See above.


State Department management did, but personally Obama and Clinton? Nope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...8c2f5b4-adf8-11e2-a986-eec837b1888b_blog.html



Well all the conspiracy theories you just listed have been and will continue to be easily proven to be bull****

Your articles are 3+ years old. Let's use some more recent information...

2. Clinton and Obama made NO attempt to send a relief force.

Emails: Military Was Prepared to Protect U.S. Diplomats in Benghazi


2. Clinton and Obama lied about the motive for the attack.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Chelsea-night-Benghazi-attacks-revealed.html


3. Hundreds of requests for security upgrades were sent. Whatever went wrong on Clinton's and Obama's watch is their responsibility.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-requests-never-reached-clintons-desk-reports
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Apparently the military that were supposed to go with him were pulled. Then there was the worry of sending our Marines in uniform, and it might spoil diplomacy. Let me tell you, when we send in out Marines, I want them in uniform with an American flag patch and one that says Marines. I want them to drop on you like a ton of bricks, and I want you to know who it is. That's the purpose of the military. They were worried about spoiling diplomacy, and probably embarrassed by our troops.

I can see their point. Sending in soldiers might inflame the locals. In that case they could have sent in CIA contractors (or not sent an ambassador period). Look what 6 guys did to defend the CIA compound, after first saving the state dept security guys.
 
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Republicans? Benghazi Witch Hunt Burns GOP Instead - The Daily Beast

If Trey Gowdy and his Republican colleagues thought they could land a decisive blow against Hillary Clinton’s presidential hopes they need to think again.

Republican members of a House committee investigating the Benghazi attacks finally released their conclusions on Tuesday. And at first glance, the 800-plus page report, two years in the making, looked like a big political misfire.

For starters, the report revealed few new significant details about the 2012 attacks on the U.S. diplomatic mission that claimed four American lives. And it offered no clear and direct evidence that laid the blame for the attacks at the feet of Hillary Clinton, then the Secretary of State and now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

Trey Gowdy, the South Carolina lawmaker who had led the committee, had long insisted his was a fact-finding mission not an act of partisan combat. But that assertion was perhaps irreparably undermined when a senior Republican congressman, Kevin McCarthy, characterized the investigation as an effort to bring down Clinton’s poll numbers.

The report was contested before it was even published. Democrat and Republican members of the committee were hopelessly divided, issuing separate, contradicting findings within a day of each other. The Democrats didn’t even see the Republican report until it was being released and played no role in writing it.

“Decades in the future, historians will look back on this investigation as a case study in how not to conduct a credible investigation,” the Democratic members wrote in their report, preemptively released on Monday. “They will showcase the proliferation of Republican abuses as a chief example of what happens when politicians are allowed to use unlimited taxpayer dollars—and the formidable power of Congress—to attack their political foes.”

Gowdy will now be under pressure to explain why his committee spent $7 million investigating an issue that, as Democrats are always first to note, had been reviewed by about nine previous committees.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

And somehow, only you have it, none of the 8 hearings had it...

:lamo

You obviously dodnt pay attention to the hearings.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

I can see their point. Sending in soldiers might inflame the locals. In that case they could have sent in CIA contractors (or not sent an ambassador period). Look what 6 guys did to defend the CIA compound, after first saving the state dept security guys.

Sorry, I don't believe in sending in Marines out of uniform.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Sorry, I don't believe in sending in Marines out of uniform.

Not to mention, it's illegal.
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

Susan Rice? I guess next you will quote Hillary claiming she was under sniper fire or Obama saying "you can keep your doctor" as creditably for you argument.

Im quoting Susan Rice and then also quoted the CIA who provided the intelligence at the time....

DOh. Not the point. You are deflecting .

She told the families it was because of the you tube video. Then when asked about it, she denied that she told them that.

Note that she did NOT say " Well that was what we knew at the time"
Its not a deflection. Its literally what the intelligence community provided at the time...
 
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So who did she tell the truth too, her family and the president of Libya and the Egyptian prime minster that it was an al-Qaeda-like attack. OR the American public that it was a spontaneous uprising caused by a video?

Remember she was very specific

Holy **** this is old news.
1.)No one knew who perpetrated the attack at the time and the evidence and intelligence they received was often conflicting and was constantly changing weeks after the attacks.
"After reviewing hundreds of pages of raw intelligence, as well as open source information, it was clear that between the time when the attacks occurred and when the Administration, through Ambassador Susan Rice, appeared on the Sunday talk shows, intelligence analysts and policymakers received a stream of piecemeal intelligence regarding the identities/affiliations and motivations of the attackers, as well as the level of planning and/or coordination. Much of the early intelligence was conflicting, and two years later, intelligence gaps remain.

Along those lines, in the Rose Garden on September 12, 2012, President Obama said that four "extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi," and said that: "[n]o acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."

However, it was not clear whether the terrorist attacks were committed by al-Qa'ida or by various groups of other bad actors, some of who may have been affiliated with al-Qa'ida. Early CIA, NCTC, DIA, and CJCS intelligence assessments on September 12th and 13th stated that members of AAS and various al-Qa'ida affiliates "likely," "probably," or "possibl[y]" participated in the attacks

None of the reports made a definitive assessment of attribution or affiliation that first week after the attacks. A September 12 DIA report, for example, spoke of"unidentified terrorists," 128 and an NCTC
assessment reported that the "Benghazi populace" heard about a security breach at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and they decided to storm the facility in Benghazi. 129 Libyan government officials told the media that the perpetrators of the attacks were loyalists of ousted and deceased Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi.

Weeks after the attacks, intelligence reports similarly remarked on the "fragmentary and contradictory reporting about who organized the attack," and that it is "unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control and if the extremist group leaders directed their members to participate in the attacks or the attackers did so on their own."

As for motivation, while Reuters published a series of news articles right after the attacks that included interviews of individuals who claimed they were eyewitnesses to protests at the compound, 134
there were also early reports that the attacks were not spurred by a protest in Benghazi. 135 The first CIA assessment about the attacks, a September 12th Executive Update, said "the presence of armed assailants from the incident's outset suggests this was an intentional assault and not the escalation of a peaceful protest. " 136 On September 15, the CIA assessed that the attacks were inspired by the September 11 storming ofthe U.S. Embassy in Cairo. 137 On September 12, the DIA reported that there were no indications of preoperational planning, but that a mix of terrorists attackers "likely leveraged a target of opportunity amidst security vulnerabilities created by protest activity." 138 Weeks afterwards, CIA and NCTC reported that "the attack probably was not specifically planned for 11 September. In total, analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi-fourteen from the Open Source Center; one from CIA, two from DoD, and four from NSA. " http://fas.org/irp/congress/2014_rpt/benghazi-hpsci.pdf

And this is all consistent with Hillary Clinton's testimony who has openly said that she changed her position on responsibility and motivation for the attack while the intelligence was coming in.

2.)All this claim of why it happened or did it have to do with the video is open ended, because in fact intelligence is still changing on why the attack was carried out. Multiple people from Ansar al Shariah, the group mainly blamed with the attack, has said part of the motivation was that anti-Islamic video. And hell they also claim that they were not the only ones involved in the attack. Ansar al Shariah issues statement on US Consulate assault in Libya | The Long War Journal http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2
 
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Holy **** this is old news.
1.)No one knew who perpetrated the attack at the time and the evidence and intelligence they received was often conflicting and was constantly changing weeks after the attacks.
"After reviewing hundreds of pages of raw intelligence, as well as open source information, it was clear that between the time when the attacks occurred and when the Administration, through Ambassador Susan Rice, appeared on the Sunday talk shows, intelligence analysts and policymakers received a stream of piecemeal intelligence regarding the identities/affiliations and motivations of the attackers, as well as the level of planning and/or coordination. Much of the early intelligence was conflicting, and two years later, intelligence gaps remain.

Along those lines, in the Rose Garden on September 12, 2012, President Obama said that four "extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi," and said that: "[n]o acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."

However, it was not clear whether the terrorist attacks were committed by al-Qa'ida or by various groups of other bad actors, some of who may have been affiliated with al-Qa'ida. Early CIA, NCTC, DIA, and CJCS intelligence assessments on September 12th and 13th stated that members of AAS and various al-Qa'ida affiliates "likely," "probably," or "possibl[y]" participated in the attacks

None of the reports made a definitive assessment of attribution or affiliation that first week after the attacks. A September 12 DIA report, for example, spoke of"unidentified terrorists," 128 and an NCTC
assessment reported that the "Benghazi populace" heard about a security breach at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and they decided to storm the facility in Benghazi. 129 Libyan government officials told the media that the perpetrators of the attacks were loyalists of ousted and deceased Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi.

Weeks after the attacks, intelligence reports similarly remarked on the "fragmentary and contradictory reporting about who organized the attack," and that it is "unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control and if the extremist group leaders directed their members to participate in the attacks or the attackers did so on their own."

As for motivation, while Reuters published a series of news articles right after the attacks that included interviews of individuals who claimed they were eyewitnesses to protests at the compound, 134
there were also early reports that the attacks were not spurred by a protest in Benghazi. 135 The first CIA assessment about the attacks, a September 12th Executive Update, said "the presence of armed assailants from the incident's outset suggests this was an intentional assault and not the escalation of a peaceful protest. " 136 On September 15, the CIA assessed that the attacks were inspired by the September 11 storming ofthe U.S. Embassy in Cairo. 137 On September 12, the DIA reported that there were no indications of preoperational planning, but that a mix of terrorists attackers "likely leveraged a target of opportunity amidst security vulnerabilities created by protest activity." 138 Weeks afterwards, CIA and NCTC reported that "the attack probably was not specifically planned for 11 September. In total, analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi-fourteen from the Open Source Center; one from CIA, two from DoD, and four from NSA. " http://fas.org/irp/congress/2014_rpt/benghazi-hpsci.pdf

And this is all consistent with Hillary Clinton's testimony who has openly said that she changed her position on responsibility and motivation for the attack while the intelligence was coming in.

2.)All this claim of why it happened or did it have to do with the video is open ended, because in fact intelligence is still changing on why the attack was carried out. Multiple people from Ansar al Shariah, the group mainly blamed with the attack, has said part of the motivation was that anti-Islamic video. And hell they also claim that they were not the only ones involved in the attack. Ansar al Shariah issues statement on US Consulate assault in Libya | The Long War Journal http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

You used terrorists as support for your arguments? :lamo
 
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Im quoting Susan Rice and then also quoted the CIA who provided the intelligence at the time....


Its not a deflection. Its literally what the intelligence community provided at the time...

It's been proven that Susan Rice lied.
 
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"Every liberal is a fascist at heart." -Anon
 
Re: House GOP Report: Despite eyewitness accounts, Clinton, administration pushed vid

You obviously dodnt pay attention to the hearings.

No smoking guns, every damned time.

Face it.
 
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