House Democrats release first transcripts from impeachment probe

[Tanngrisnir]

And noting happened. The money was released; no investigation required.

LOL! Utterly irrelevant to the fact that in having held up the aid for personal gain, twump committed serveral serious crimes.

After all, in an attempted murder, no murder actually happened. Nothing to investigate.

 

[bubbabgone]

Crime?

You mean, articulating the official foreign policy of the United States?

That only became a “crime” in the minds of Trumpsters, when their fool’s gold fuhrer got caught.

"the official foreign policy of the United States"?
Are you sure?
Haven't you heard about the email from a Burisma PR firm to Obama's State Dept. to get them to stop investigating Burisma?

"Per our conversation, Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies requested a meeting to discuss with U/S Novelli USG remarks alleging Burisma (Ukrainian energy company) of corruption. She noted that two high profile U.S. citizens are affiliated with the company (including Hunter Biden as a board member). Tramontano would like to talk with U/S Novelli about getting a better understanding of how the U.S. came to the determination that the company is corrupt. According to Tramontano there is no evidence of corruption, has been no hearing or process, and evidence to the contrary has not been considered. Would appreciate any background you may be able to provide on this issue and suggested TPs for U/S Novelli’s meeting."​

And soon after that Joe Biden did his QPQ of $1.8B to fire Skokin.

 

[bubbabgone]

I'll do that. I knew this would rattle these guys a bit and, already, they're going nuts. Isn't it funny how they want to wait on the media's "official confirmation" on this, even know it had already been confirmed awhile ago? When I say they're brainwashed, I'm not saying it to be mean or condescending. They really are brainwashed, but they just don't know it. I'm behind Trump 100%, but I and many other supporters are not these drones that have to wait on what Trump's going to say. We do our own research because we are free thinkers. Most Trump supporters have either never voted before or haven't voted in a very long time before the 2016 election because they weren't convinced that anyone else before him would do what they wanted them to do for these average everyday people. Trump came and they came out in droves to vote, and it was an awesome victory.

I guess what I'm getting at is average people don't follow group think, as they shouldn't. It's anti-freedom of thought. Universities, colleges, groups on social media, and most of pop culture today do group think. Who runs these group think tanks? Leftists, as they're in and run all these areas listed. It's nothing short of indoctrination, and the people that run these areas know they can control people. But it can be fun when you don't play their game and they're flailing and try to come up with answers other than the correct one.

As noted here many times, the left has worked for decades to place their people in "Universities, colleges, groups on social media," and in all media to promote their group think and they've been very successful.

 

[ecofarm]

LOL! Utterly irrelevant to the fact that in having held up the aid for personal gain, twump committed serveral serious crimes.

After all, in an attempted murder, no murder actually happened. Nothing to investigate.

Trump has more jailhouse attorneys than an inmate that stabbed a guard.

 

[JasperL]

MR. J0RDAN: Thank you, Mr. Cha'i rman. J ust f or the
record, on 0ctober 2nd,2019, the Speaker of the House, Nancy
Pelos'i , said that she would treat the President with
fai rness. Faj rness requi res certain things. Just a few
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an offi ci aI impeachment i nqui ry.
it's an official impeachment inquiry, we
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following precedent. Every recent impeachment has permitted
mi nori ty subpoenas. The ri ght of the mi nori ty to i ssue
subpoenas subject to the same rules as the majority has beenthe standard bi part'i san practi ce 'in all recent resoluti ons
authorizing presidential impeachment inqui ries.

Jordan is lying, so why are you posting his lies? I stopped with the first one, because at that point he can be disregarded. Here's the text of the Clinton impeachment inquiry.

Text of H.Res. 581 (105th): Impeachment Investigation resolution (Passed the House version) - GovTrack.us

H. Res. 581
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
October 8, 1998.
....

SEC. 2. (a) For the purpose of making such investigation, the committee is authorized to require--

(1) by subpoena or otherwise--

(A) the attendance and testimony of any person (including at a taking of a deposition by counsel for the committee); and

(B) the production of such things; and

(2) by interrogatory, the furnishing of such information;

as it deems necessary to such investigation.

(b) Such authority of the committee may be exercised--

(1) by the chairman and the ranking minority member acting jointly, or, if either declines to act, by the other acting alone, except that in the event either so declines, either shall have the right to refer to the committee for decision the question whether such authority shall be so exercised and the committee shall be convened promptly to render that decision; or

(2) by the committee acting as a whole or by subcommittee.

Those are the same rules in place for this inquiry, voted on last week. The minority has the right to subpoena, but if the chair objects the matter goes to a vote by the full committee.

It's kind of amazing that senior people in the GOP are so willing to lie right to your face and that of the American public, but that's where we are. The GOP just doesn't care about facts in this era, not even facts that anyone interested can verify in just 3 minutes online.

 

[bubbabgone]

I think you might be misinterpreting the reaction. For some of us, if you're going resort to a "kill the messenger" strategy, it's not worth the time dealing with that BS, and so we move on. Might as well argue with a flat earther - facts aren't going to matter to the discussion. Just for example, does anyone still care about WHY Linda Tripp guided Monica Lewinsky through the process, made then released the tapes? What would you think of a Clinton defense at that time - LINDA TRIPP DEEP STATE HATED CLINTON HIDDEN MOTIVE!! NOT FAIR!!! PROCESS IS BOGUS!!!

Irrelevant once the lies were exposed, right? So why do you think it matters here? It's rhetorical - it doesn't matter and no one not a Trump cultist gives a damn at this point, so I don't care about your answer.

You're in a thread about the release of transcripts and so instead of addressing the OP, you're bringing up the alleged WB. The strategy is obvious - divert, divert, divert!!!

And there it is.

 

[JasperL]

I wonder how many talking potato heads will mention this exchange.

Schiffty running this hearing without any established authority.

Oh well...par for the course, I guess.

That's a good point. They should mention that Jordan lied, and Meadows and Zeldin were whining about the interview being the purview of the Foreign Affairs committee who were all of course invited to attend, and have their experts on staff do some or all of the questioning. I don't know why the "media" don't call out the GOP more forcefully for lying to the American public, and in the case of Jordan inserting the lies into the official record, when they know they're lying.

 

[JasperL]

And there it is.

If you want to engage with the OP, I'll play. If not, I can hear the GOP talking points in Hannity tonight if I'm interested, which I'm not. Or read Gateway Pundit, etc.

 

[bubbabgone]

If you want to engage with the OP, I'll play. If not, I can hear the GOP talking points in Hannity tonight if I'm interested, which I'm not. Or read Gateway Pundit, etc.

I should have brought more mics but I didn't know you'd be here.
Speaking of the impeachment probe how's your probe of Ciaramella and all his associations going?

 

[JasperL]

Yeah, "all Every recent impeachment", but not all of them, because it's not required anywhere. Republicans would intentionally clog up the process by subpoenaing as many people as possible. I mean with the power they gave themselves to investigate Obama(and democrats couldn't even request a subpoena from the chair, or file a motion to issue one, during Benghazi, which Republicans can do now), their committee chairs issued hundreds of subpoenas, and it wasn't even an impeachment inquiry.

Jordan is lying. I'm sick of this talking point so I looked it up, and the minority here has the same rights they did with the Clinton mess. Here's the resolution. Maybe if we keep posting it we can kill this zombie talking point in DP at least.

Text of H.Res. 581 (105th): Impeachment Investigation resolution (Passed the House version) - GovTrack.us

(b) Such [subpoena] authority of the committee may be exercised--

(1) by the chairman and the ranking minority member acting jointly, or, if either declines to act, by the other acting alone, except that in the event either so declines, either shall have the right to refer to the committee for decision the question whether such authority shall be so exercised and the committee shall be convened promptly to render that decision;

What I can't quite get over is the willingness of the GOP, senior members, Jordan, Meadows, the lead House members from the GOP side on this process, to just tell obvious lies to protect Trump. We kind of know that they're just this dishonest, but it's still in some ways shocking how there is just no longer any pretense for respecting FACTS in the GOP. And it's not just them, it's everyone in the GOP congress who listens to these lies from their colleagues and says nothing.

 

[Athanasius68]

LOL! Utterly irrelevant to the fact that in having held up the aid for personal gain, twump committed serveral serious crimes.

After all, in an attempted murder, no murder actually happened. Nothing to investigate.

Quite relevant as attempted murder is illegal and placing conditions upon aid is legal.

 

[JasperL]

Sorry, but having had to put up with 3 years of you guys pushing the collusion BS, im not buying a thing any of you say. The only thing, the ONLY thing, that makes me think there is merit to any of this is Rudys sudden silence. The crap you liberals spew here day after day has no impact on me whatsoever.

You could read the transcripts if you wanted more than Rudy's silence. Just a thought...

The OP is about, in part, the ambassador's transcript. She was subject to a coordinated effort to remove her, led by Hannity, Don Jr., Rudy, Solomon, Lutsenko (who fabricated some lies about her that Solomon published) and others, and the relevant question is whose interests did firing her serve, because it wasn't the foreign policy of the United States because the State department didn't object to her actions.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Quite relevant as attempted murder is illegal and placing conditions upon aid is legal.

Placeing conditions on aid/funds approved by congress for private political gain is highly illegal. twump committed crimes and has admitted to it.

That you can't face that simple reality is irrelevant to its veracity.

 

[JasperL]

When you ignore Schiffty's actions, you have lost.

But Smelly Gym Sock Jordan lied to you, and us, and inserted that lie into the official record. Should we ignore that behavior by Smelly Gym Sock Jordan?

 

[JasperL]

And yet, Schiffty refused to cite the rule that authorized him to conduct the hearing.

Why does it matter given that the Foreign affairs committee was in the room and could have their expert staff take over the questioning at any point? Lee Zeldin (R) is on that committee and participated in the questioning. How were the privileges of the Foreign Affairs committee curtailed? They weren't.

 

[Athanasius68]

You could read the transcripts if you wanted more than Rudy's silence. Just a thought...

The OP is about, in part, the ambassador's transcript. She was subject to a coordinated effort to remove her, led by Hannity, Don Jr., Rudy, Solomon, Lutsenko (who fabricated some lies about her that Solomon published) and others, and the relevant question is whose interests did firing her serve, because it wasn't the foreign policy of the United States because the State department didn't object to her actions.

The State Dept. doesn't set USA foreign policy.

 

[Athanasius68]

Placeing conditions on aid/funds approved by congress for private political gain is highly illegal. twump committed crimes and has admitted to it.

That you can't face that simple reality is irrelevant to its veracity.

Presidential candidates are not immune from being investigated. Whether a president benefits, or the candidate is harmed from such an investigation, is irrelevant.

 

[JasperL]

Has anyone taken the time to read the full transcripts, or are they just relying on their favorite media sources to tell them what to think?

This is what is posted on Schiff's Intelligence Committee home page:

COMMITTEES RELEASE TESTIMONY OF YOVANOVITCH AND McKINLEY AS PART OF NEW PUBLIC PHASE OF IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

The testimony of former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie “Masha” Yovanovitch from October 11, 2019 can be found here. Key excerpts from Yovanovitch’s testimony can be found here.

The testimony of former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of State Ambassador P. Michael McKinley from October 16, 2019 can be found here. Key excerpts from McKinley’s testimony can be found here.​

The words in bold are hyperlinks to documents.

The full transcript of Yovanovitch's testimony is available, all 317 pages. Schiff's selected excerpts are available. All 9 pages.

The full transcript of McKinley's testimony is available, all 156 pages, as are Schiff's selected 9 pages of excerpts.

So, how are people reaching their own conclusions?

I can only speak for me, but I'm doing it by reading the transcript. Notice the non-replies when people discuss the actual testimony.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Presidential candidates are not immune from being investigated. Whether a president benefits, or the candidate is harmed from such an investigation, is irrelevant.

They are when it's done for illegal purposes.

Thanks for admitting you don't know the law and cannot face reality.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Well, there is Joe Biden's video confession to his crime....

Not quite the same thing though, is it? The clear distinction being the pressure Biden was applying on the Ukraine was to fire the prosecutor (Shokin) because he wasn't doing enough to investigate political corruption in the Ukraine, while Trump and his team were looking to pressure the Ukraine into investigating the Bidens. Applying that pressure to sabotage your political opponent is a bit different than applying pressure for US policy reasons. The interesting tid bit was the desire to have Zelensky make a public announcement into the investigation.

 

[JasperL]

The State Dept. doesn't set USA foreign policy.

Correct, and the ambassador pointed that out repeatedly. The problem is the state department is directed by Trump, so we assume that Pompeo and those below him including the Ambassador in Ukraine are informed of and are carrying out the policy of the President. No one knows what that was, apparently - not Pompeo or his deputies who were the direct bosses of Yovanovitch, so your alternative excuse is the President sets the foreign policy of the U.S. but doesn't share this with those tasked with carrying it out, and so leaves the execution of it to a mobbed up lawyer to the thugs, Rudy, and Hannity, and John Solomon?

Are you really going with that excuse here?

 

[Mycroft]

Jordan is lying, so why are you posting his lies? I stopped with the first one, because at that point he can be disregarded. Here's the text of the Clinton impeachment inquiry.

Text of H.Res. 581 (105th): Impeachment Investigation resolution (Passed the House version) - GovTrack.us



Those are the same rules in place for this inquiry, voted on last week. The minority has the right to subpoena, but if the chair objects the matter goes to a vote by the full committee.

It's kind of amazing that senior people in the GOP are so willing to lie right to your face and that of the American public, but that's where we are. The GOP just doesn't care about facts in this era, not even facts that anyone interested can verify in just 3 minutes online.

The problem, though, is that Nancy's new rules gives all authority for allowing the minority to issue a subpoena to the Chairman. There isn't even the ability to refer the action to a committee vote.

So Jordan is exactly correct.

 

[Mycroft]

That's a good point. They should mention that Jordan lied, and Meadows and Zeldin were whining about the interview being the purview of the Foreign Affairs committee who were all of course invited to attend, and have their experts on staff do some or all of the questioning. I don't know why the "media" don't call out the GOP more forcefully for lying to the American public, and in the case of Jordan inserting the lies into the official record, when they know they're lying.

Jordan didn't lie and the issue isn't whether the Foreign Affairs committee should be allowed to participate. Rather, the issue is that the Foreign Affairs committee should have been the one running the hearing and that there is no authority for Schiffty to run it.

 

[Mycroft]

But Smelly Gym Sock Jordan lied to you, and us, and inserted that lie into the official record. Should we ignore that behavior by Smelly Gym Sock Jordan?

As I have pointed out...Jordan did not lie.

 

[Mycroft]

Why does it matter given that the Foreign affairs committee was in the room and could have their expert staff take over the questioning at any point? Lee Zeldin (R) is on that committee and participated in the questioning. How were the privileges of the Foreign Affairs committee curtailed? They weren't.

See my other comments.