Honors student sues because she can't read or write

[Citizen]

Correct.



Incorrect. One of the very best methods is Orton-Gillingham which is a very strict, systematic way to learn to read using sight, touch and sound.

sight, touch and sound is not phonomic instruction.

 

[Josie]

sight, touch and sound is not phonomic instruction.

Orton Gillingham is a method to use to teach phonics in a systematic manner using sight, touch and sound. That’s what dyslexic children need.

 

[Josie]

I had poor grades in high school. At the time I was told it was because I was lazy (i think most kids would have trouble managing their time when they're at school from 7am-7pm lol)

when I began seriously pursuing help with my mental health a couple years ago I was diagnosed with ADHD. i learned what ADHD can be like if not managed in an education setting. i learned what "executive dysfunction" means. and it lined up pretty well with my experience

it seems to me that multiple adults allowed her to fall through the cracks similar to the way it happened to me

It’s very common, sadly.

 

[Citizen]

Orton Gillingham is a method to use to teach phonics in a systematic manner using sight, touch and sound. That’s what dyslexic children need.

Not sure why they would call it phonics because the multi sensory approach is not phonics. The reason why dyslexic kids can’t learn to read is because the phonic approach does not work for them. Grade schools teach reading through phonics which works with the majority of children. Dyslexic children must use memory skills in their learning. In other words, they cannot sound out words like most people do. Phonics reading is sounding out words

 

[trouble13]

MSN

A Connecticut student who graduated with honors in June is now suing her former high school, claiming she can't read or write and is failing college as a result of her alma mater's poor curriculum.

Aleysha Ortiz was born in Puerto Rico and moved with her family to Hartford, Connecticut, when she was 5 years old. She graduated through the school program despite reading at a kindergarten or first grade level as a sixth grader, according to reporting by CNN.


During her last month at Hartford Public High School, after she disclosed she was attending the University of Connecticut in the fall, Ortiz completed additional testing that revealed she had dyslexia and "required explicitly taught phonics, fluency and reading comprehension," the first of which is taught in kindergarten.


She's not alone. Every year we have kids going into 5th, 6th, 7th grade who never got the English phonics they needed in elementary school. And, of course, no one is going to teach them that in middle school and high school. They have good expressive English language (which she obviously does if she can "write" papers through speech-to-text programs), but lack in actually reading and writing independently.

I had a fascinating conversation at a bar during covid about education.

We were 4 strangers talking. 1 was a substitute teacher and another was a retired school principle, the 3rd person was a civil engineer.

This was during covid and I asked the teacher how they were going to handle all the missed school. I asked if they hold everyone back a grade to teach them what they missed and I will never forget her answer.

She told me it was discussed and they decided that the psychological damage was more harmful than graduating them without knowing the material. That is the schools attitude. They rather advance failing students than hold them back and teach them what they need to know.

 

[Kelby]

Not sure why they would call it phonics because the multi sensory approach is not phonics. The reason why dyslexic kids can’t learn to read is because the phonic approach does not work for them. Grade schools teach reading through phonics which works with the majority of children. Dyslexic children must use memory skills in their learning. In other words, they cannot sound out words like most people do. Phonics reading is sounding out words

I believe that while dysphonetic dyslexia makes up the majority of cases, there some who are described as ortho graphic dysexics, who have difficulty visually processing letters and words.

 

[Josie]

Not sure why they would call it phonics because the multi sensory approach is not phonics.

It is phonics, Citizen. You can teach phonics in lots of different ways. The multisensory approach is one way that works for a lot of kids who struggle to read.

The reason why dyslexic kids can’t learn to read is because the phonic approach does not work for them. Grade schools teach reading through phonics which works with the majority of children. Dyslexic children must use memory skills in their learning. In other words, they cannot sound out words like most people do.

Yes, they can. They just need to be taught systematically. You're not correct in your assumptions here that all dyslexic people can do is memorize words.

Phonics reading is sounding out words

We all know that.

Do you have an education background?

 

[Kelby]

I had a fascinating conversation at a bar during covid about education.

We were 4 strangers talking. 1 was a substitute teacher and another was a retired school principle, the 3rd person was a civil engineer.

This was during covid and I asked the teacher how they were going to handle all the missed school. I asked if they hold everyone back a grade to teach them what they missed and I will never forget her answer.

She told me it was discussed and they decided that the psychological damage was more harmful than graduating them without knowing the material. That is the schools attitude. They rather advance failing students than hold them back and teach them what they need to know.

Grade retention is extremely harmful to most children and research shows it rarely "catches them up".

 

[Josie]

Grade retention is extremely harmful to most children and research shows it rarely "catches them up".

Agreed. I have seen it be beneficial in catching up kids. In fact, my coworkers and I were just talking about an instance like that today. But in most of the cases I've seen, kids who are held back are still behind years later or are now in special education.

 

[instagramsci]

It’s very common, sadly.

I imagine it's even worse at schools who had limited resources and/or large class sizes

My school was definitely that way

 

[Citizen]

I believe that while dysphonetic dyslexia makes up the majority of cases, there some who are described as ortho graphic dysexics, who have difficulty visually processing letters and words.

Yes, that’s true. Some transpose letters and numbers and some transpose words.

 

[Citizen]

It is phonics, Citizen. You can teach phonics in lots of different ways. The multisensory approach is one way that works for a lot of kids who struggle to read.



Yes, they can. They just need to be taught systematically. You're not correct in your assumptions here that all dyslexic people can do is memorize words.



We all know that.

Do you have an education background?

In my experience the multi sensory approach works well, but that is not phonics

 

[Josie]

In my experience the multi sensory approach works well, but that is not phonics

Again, "multisensory" is just a method in how to teach something. You can teach science, history, math and phonics using multisensory methods.

What is your experience?

 

[Citizen]

Again, "multisensory" is just a method in how to teach something. You can teach science, history, math and phonics using multisensory methods.

What is your experience?

You can teach reading through the multi sensory approach, not phonics

 

[Josie]

You can teach reading through the multi sensory approach, not phonics

Dude. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[Citizen]

Dude. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

I do



The whole language approach (WLA) is an educational philosophy that teaches reading and writing by focusing on the whole word rather than individual letters. It's based on the idea that language is a whole entity, and that reading and writing are social activities.

 

[Josie]

I do


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The whole language approach (WLA) is an educational philosophy that teaches reading and writing by focusing on the whole word rather than individual letters. It's based on the idea that language is a whole entity, and that reading and writing are social activities.

Thank you for posting the definition of "whole language".

No, you don't know what you're talking about.

Effective Reading Instruction - International Dyslexia Association

For a downloadable PDF, click here.

dyslexiaida.org

The most difficult problem for students with dyslexia is learning to read. Unfortunately, popularly employed reading approaches, such as Guided Reading or Balanced Literacy, are not effective for struggling readers. These approaches are especially ineffective for students with dyslexia because they do not focus on the decoding skills these students need to succeed in reading.

Can individuals who have dyslexia learn to read? Yes. If children who have dyslexia receive effective phonological awareness and phonics training in Kindergarten and 1st grade, they will have significantly fewer problems in learning to read at grade level than do children who are not identified or helped until 3rd grade. 74% of the children who are poor readers in 3rd grade remain poor readers in the 9th grade, many because they do not receive appropriate Structured Literacy instruction with the needed intensity or duration. Often they can’t read well as adults either. It is never too late for individuals with dyslexia to learn to read, process, and express information more efficiently. Research shows that programs utilizing Structured Literacy instructional techniques can help children and adults learn to read.

Educational Strategies: Choosing the Best Method for Dyslexia

Dyslexia is a learning disability that affects the way individuals process written language. Choosing the best educational strategies for dyslexia is crucial to support their learning needs. This blog post...

dyslexichelp.org

1. Phonological Awareness Training: Dyslexic individuals often struggle with recognizing and manipulating sounds in words. Phonological awareness training helps develop these skills through activities like rhyming, segmenting words into syllables, and blending sounds. By focusing on phonics, phonemic awareness, and word decoding, this strategy strengthens the foundations of reading and spelling.

 

[Citizen]

Thank you for posting the definition of "whole language".

No, you don't know what you're talking about.

Effective Reading Instruction - International Dyslexia Association

For a downloadable PDF, click here.

dyslexiaida.org

The most difficult problem for students with dyslexia is learning to read. Unfortunately, popularly employed reading approaches, such as Guided Reading or Balanced Literacy, are not effective for struggling readers. These approaches are especially ineffective for students with dyslexia because they do not focus on the decoding skills these students need to succeed in reading.

Can individuals who have dyslexia learn to read? Yes. If children who have dyslexia receive effective phonological awareness and phonics training in Kindergarten and 1st grade, they will have significantly fewer problems in learning to read at grade level than do children who are not identified or helped until 3rd grade. 74% of the children who are poor readers in 3rd grade remain poor readers in the 9th grade, many because they do not receive appropriate Structured Literacy instruction with the needed intensity or duration. Often they can’t read well as adults either. It is never too late for individuals with dyslexia to learn to read, process, and express information more efficiently. Research shows that programs utilizing Structured Literacy instructional techniques can help children and adults learn to read.

Educational Strategies: Choosing the Best Method for Dyslexia

Dyslexia is a learning disability that affects the way individuals process written language. Choosing the best educational strategies for dyslexia is crucial to support their learning needs. This blog post...

dyslexichelp.org

1. Phonological Awareness Training: Dyslexic individuals often struggle with recognizing and manipulating sounds in words. Phonological awareness training helps develop these skills through activities like rhyming, segmenting words into syllables, and blending sounds. By focusing on phonics, phonemic awareness, and word decoding, this strategy strengthens the foundations of reading and spelling.

Those are theories that usually don’t work. Ask a dyslexic person

 

[renee]

I had poor grades in high school. At the time I was told it was because I was lazy (i think most kids would have trouble managing their time when they're at school from 7am-7pm lol)

when I began seriously pursuing help with my mental health a couple years ago I was diagnosed with ADHD. i learned what ADHD can be like if not managed in an education setting. i learned what "executive dysfunction" means. and it lined up pretty well with my experience

it seems to me that multiple adults allowed her to fall through the cracks similar to the way it happened to me

You had poor grades in high school and she had honor grades that makes the scenario a bit different. If she did so well in school. Wasn’t the teacherDoing a good job? It’s hard to fake high grades

 

[renee]

Still living in the past i see.
I recall in the early 70 the men had to unload the trucks as the women made extra commission on the sales floor.

Of course these truths don't support your narratives.

Lol.. there were no men on the commission end? Why would a woman want to unload trucks? just because men do it doesn’t mean women want to do it, but we did want to go to Harvard and Yale and be doctors and lawyers and have our own credit and control over our own bodies.
Men have the option of working high, paying jobs or unloading truck trucks. See the difference.?
Yes, I am part of the past and people like you said the same things to keep women down, but we let our voices be heard or do you think men just handed over some of their privilege?

 

[renee]

No.
It is the educated like myself who understand the realities.
It is a cushy over paid job.

Wow, you’re so bright. Why wouldn’t you take a cushy overpaid job?
And you are bragging that you are an educated person who understands the reality? Who educated you? It must’ve been one of those overpaid teachers.

 

[renee]

I had a fascinating conversation at a bar during covid about education.

We were 4 strangers talking. 1 was a substitute teacher and another was a retired school principle, the 3rd person was a civil engineer.

This was during covid and I asked the teacher how they were going to handle all the missed school. I asked if they hold everyone back a grade to teach them what they missed and I will never forget her answer.

She told me it was discussed and they decided that the psychological damage was more harmful than graduating them without knowing the material. That is the schools attitude. They rather advance failing students than hold them back and teach them what they need to know.

One thing that you are underestimating is the psychological damage that has been done to teenagers. My daughter is a high school counselor and kids are freaking out..

 

[instagramsci]

You had poor grades in high school and she had honor grades that makes the scenario a bit different. If she did so well in school. Wasn’t the teacherDoing a good job? It’s hard to fake high grades

I didn't say the scenarios were the same.

 

[Josie]

Those are theories that usually don’t work.

They do. So says reading research, special education professionals and dyslexic people.

Ask a dyslexic person

I have. And I’ve read the research, taken classes, workshops on the topic. I’ve sat in conferences discussing the research and data. I’ve received professional development from dyslexic teachers on effective instruction. And, most importantly, I’ve taught students who I suspected had a learning disability (later found out 2 of them were officially diagnosed with dyslexia). Using a whole language approach for dyslexic kids (and, truly, all kids) is one of the worst ways to teach them to read and write.

 

[Josie]

Still nothing to say about saying that I “think low” of myself?

@renee ?