Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists

[bicycleman]

A new study funded by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

Entitled Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970-2008 (PDF), the study was produced by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland. The organization was launched with the aid of DHS funding to the tune of $12 million dollars.While largely omitting Islamic terrorism - the report fails completely to mention the 1993 World Trade Center bombing – the study focuses on Americans who hold beliefs shared by the vast majority of conservatives and libertarians and puts them in the context of radical extremism.​

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Yeah, there was something about this story several years ago, and it caused Janet Napolitano to backtrack and make excuses, but it looks like that we extreme right winged conservatives are now under the RADAR again. Fancy that. Communists don't like us. Imagine.​

 

[a351]

» Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Yeah, there was something about this story several years ago, and it caused Janet Napolitano to backtrack and make excuses, but it looks like that we extreme right winged conservatives are now under the RADAR again. Fancy that. Communists don't like us. Imagine.​

This statement coupled with the source of your article may slightly undermine your credibility.

 

[TNAR]

... we extreme right winged conservatives are now under the RADAR again. Fancy that. Communists don't like us. Imagine.

At least you have one ruling faction which appreciates your support. People like me are hated by both socialists AND fascists because we want to rule ourselves. Imagine.

 

[24107]

So if you love Liberty your a terrorist? if the founding father's knew about this they would turn in their graves.:shock:

 

[Helix]

i remember heated arguments over HSA and the "patriot" act around 2002 during my tenure on a right wing board. i took the libertarian view, and i was told, "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about." additionally, i was called "losertarian" and "loserdopian" by neoconservatives who have now morphed into tea partiers.

so, i suppose, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. oh, and also, people who question HSA or the "patriot" act just want to help the terrorists. or in neoconservative speak, you want to help the terrorist, because for some reason, neoconservatives could never seem to get the plural of terrorist correct.

 

[24107]

» Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Yeah, there was something about this story several years ago, and it caused Janet Napolitano to backtrack and make excuses, but it looks like that we extreme right winged conservatives are now under the RADAR again. Fancy that. Communists don't like us. Imagine.​

Are you sure it was the Department of Homeland Security that did this study? or was it the Taliban?:think:

 

[Daktoria]

This is like what the British called the Sons of Liberty.

Totally retarded.

 

[tessaesque]

Just seems to me like another means of creating a divide among the differing ideologies. Single out a group of people, storm the media with reports about how radical and scary those people are, and BOOM...you've got heated hostility among the voting ranks. Both sides do it when they're controlling the message. While it's shameful to perpetuate such hostility, it's equally disgraceful that so many will buy into it.

 

[rocket88]

the report fails completely to mention the 1993 World Trade Center bombing –

Jones fails completely to mention Oklahoma City. Which deserves mention as something that did happen, and it was a terrorist attack by a white, right-wing extremist....

Just saying that it happened.

 

[Daktoria]

Just seems to me like another means of creating a divide among the differing ideologies. Single out a group of people, storm the media with reports about how radical and scary those people are, and BOOM...you've got heated hostility among the voting ranks. Both sides do it when they're controlling the message. While it's shameful to perpetuate such hostility, it's equally disgraceful that so many will buy into it.

Can you give examples of left-wing domestic organizations the right has qualified as terrorists?

 

[Helix]

Can you give examples of left-wing domestic organizations the right has qualified as terrorists?

FBI Pamphlet - Who's a Terrorist?

 

[UtahBill]

Just seems to me like another means of creating a divide among the differing ideologies. Single out a group of people, storm the media with reports about how radical and scary those people are, and BOOM...you've got heated hostility among the voting ranks. Both sides do it when they're controlling the message. While it's shameful to perpetuate such hostility, it's equally disgraceful that so many will buy into it.

were you educated in Texas? your posts usually display a lot of intellect, gives me cause to think you were educated elsewhere...:2wave:
(I was raised in the far NE side of Houston)

 

[Thunder]

So if you love Liberty your a terrorist?...

who says they "love Liberty"?

the Communist authoritarian dictatorship of North Korea calls themselves "Democratic", but that doesn't mean its so.

 

[tessaesque]

were you educated in Texas? your posts usually display a lot of intellect, gives me cause to think you were educated elsewhere...:2wave:
(I was raised in the far NE side of Houston)

LOL. Texas and Michigan (and I don't care about national rankings, my MI education was far inferior to what I've received here).

I had the benefit of my father, who was pretty forceful about my education. He was that parent that the principals all hated when I was growing up. He was also very strict regarding his expectations. He was the Anglo equivalent of a "Tiger Mom" in a lot of ways. If I didn't bring in As I wasn't doing well enough or taking it seriously enough. His expectations pushed me into outside study, AP classes, and early graduation.

I also think some of my "success" had to do with my mother. Before she lost her marbles and developed her addictions she would read to me incessantly. Because of her efforts I was reading chapter books in Kindergarten while most kids were still in flip books.

 

[Daktoria]

FBI Pamphlet - Who's a Terrorist?

Do you see any organizations listed there?

 

[UtahBill]

LOL. Texas and Michigan (and I don't care about national rankings, my MI education was far inferior to what I've received here).

I had the benefit of my father, who was pretty forceful about my education. He was that parent that the principals all hated when I was growing up. He was also very strict regarding his expectations. He was the Anglo equivalent of a "Tiger Mom" in a lot of ways. If I didn't bring in As I wasn't doing well enough or taking it seriously enough. His expectations pushed me into outside study, AP classes, and early graduation.

I also think some of my "success" had to do with my mother. Before she lost her marbles and developed her addictions she would read to me incessantly. Because of her efforts I was reading chapter books in Kindergarten while most kids were still in flip books.

2nd grade, I was on the first bus run, got to school early...I would sit outside with the principal, in a shaded outdoor passageway, and we would read the newspaper. He would show me big words and ask me to pronounce them, then read the article to get the context, and have me determine the meaning of the word.
Can't say my parents were much help, they didn't know what to make of me.

 

[tessaesque]

Do you see any organizations listed there?

Prepared for the Bush administration's DOE: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

United States
[edit]May 19th Communist Organization
The May 19 Communist Organization, also referred to as the May 19 Communist Coalition, was a US-based, self-described revolutionary organization formed by splintered-off members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army.[33] The M19CO name was derived from the birthdays of Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X. The May 19 Communist Organization was active from 1978 to 1985. It also included members of the Black Panthers and the Republic of New Africa (RNA).[34] [35]
This alliance between Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground members had three objectives, according to a 2001 U.S. government report:
1. Free political prisoners in US prisons
2. Appropriate capitalist wealth (armed robberies) to fund the third stage, and
3. Initiate a series of bombings and terrorist attacks.[34]

Weather Underground around 1973, during Nixon's presidency.

Animal Liberation Front
Main article: Animal Liberation Front
Animal Liberation Front (ALF) is a name used internationally by activists who engage in direct action tactics on behalf of animals. This includes removing animals from laboratories and fur farms, and sabotaging facilities involved in animal testing and other animal-based industries. According to ALF statements, any act that furthers the cause of animal liberation, where all reasonable precautions are taken not to endanger life, may be claimed as an ALF action. The group is listed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist organization.

Named a terrorist group in 1987, during Bush 1's presidency.

Black Liberation Army
Main article: Black Liberation Army
A splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.

Identified as an extreme revolutionary group ("terrorist group" wasn't really used much back then) in 1973, during Gerald R Ford's presidency.

Earth Liberation Front
Main article: Earth Liberation Front
The Earth Liberation Front has been classified as a top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation since March 2001.

Identified during Bush's presidency.

 

[tessaesque]

2nd grade, I was on the first bus run, got to school early...I would sit outside with the principal, in a shaded outdoor passageway, and we would read the newspaper. He would show me big words and ask me to pronounce them, then read the article to get the context, and have me determine the meaning of the word.
Can't say my parents were much help, they didn't know what to make of me.

When I lived in Michigan I ended up at the same Junior High my dad had gone to. The principal at the Junior High had also been there during my dad's time there and remember him well. Apparently, my father was quite the trouble maker through JH and HS, and the principal recognized the last name. He called me into his office the first day of school and asked me if I was related to my dad and if I'd be as much trouble as he was. I had to call my dad and ask him what the hell the principal was talking about, because at the time I wasn't aware my dad wasn't always an upstanding citizen.

 

[Daktoria]

Prepared for the Bush administration's DOE: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

There's a huge difference there though: the groups listed committed acts of violence.

Can you show "liberty lovers" committing acts of violence?

 

[tessaesque]

There's a huge difference there though: the groups listed committed acts of violence.

Can you show "liberty lovers" committing acts of violence?

That wasn't the point of my original post, nor the original question that you asked regarding said post. If you want to move the goal posts you can do your own research.

 

[Daktoria]

That wasn't the point of my original post, nor the original question that you asked regarding said post. If you want to move the goal posts you can do your own research.

It's not a matter of me moving the goalposts. It's a matter of you having a double standard.

Violent organizations are not peaceful organizations.

 

[24107]

who says they "love Liberty"?

the Communist authoritarian dictatorship of North Korea calls themselves "Democratic", but that doesn't mean its so.

Your post makes no sense, at best it vere's off topic.:tomatofac

 

[Thunder]

Your post makes no sense, at best it vere's off topic.:tomatofac

it makes perfect sense, as YOU claimed that they love liberty, and there is no evidence for this other than their silly name.

 

[tessaesque]

It's not a matter of me moving the goalposts. It's a matter of you having a double standard.

Violent organizations are not peaceful organizations.

This is what I said:

Just seems to me like another means of creating a divide among the differing ideologies. Single out a group of people, storm the media with reports about how radical and scary those people are, and BOOM...you've got heated hostility among the voting ranks. Both sides do it when they're controlling the message. While it's shameful to perpetuate such hostility, it's equally disgraceful that so many will buy into it.

You then asked me to show where a group was labelled a terrorist organization by the right, which I did. I never once made any differentiation between "peaceful organizations" and violent groups. And you only made that differentiation after I killed your stupid question. Further, the OP doesn't list an organization, merely a classification of people. You're the one who asked for organizations.

I'm sorry if reading comprehension is challenging, but throwing insults around in an effort to distract from the failings in your own posts is just unnecessary.

 

[Daktoria]

OK.

I apologize for specifying down to organizations, but organizations are examples of why characteristics are suspicious. It made your job easier when showing why certain groups are suspected while others are not.

That's the point I was making. By not differentiating between left and right wing suspicions, you're leveling. Left wing suspicions are based on ideology only. Right wing suspicions are based on actual performance.