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Holocaust Denial and Minimization[W:123, 876]

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Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

Sadling said:
You are missing the point. The fact that a Sonderkommando lived to tell about his eight months entering gas chambers and handling freshly gassed people barehanded, and then cleaning up the blood, urine, vomit, and excrement of the victims is physically impossible.
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Hate to minimize these disgusting numbers, but you seem to have built your entire case around this idea of "impossibility." The death toll numbers are just not that hard to meet.

Auschwitz had 7 gas chambers. If we stipulate that a million people were killed there in total, and 900,000 were killed in as little as 900 days, 2-1/2 years, that's only crunching a 1000 a day through 7 chambers. Say you get 100 an hour, that's less than 15 people per gas chamber.

Piece of cake. They could have done that without stressing anyone, hands down.

The real challenge is and always was body disposal. The best German engineers had trouble wrestling with that. But, you never brought that into play. You are stuck on gas chambers.
 
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calamity said:
Hate to minimize these disgusting numbers, but you seem to have built your entire case around this idea of "impossibility." The death toll numbers are just not that hard to meet.
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The whole argument is built upon a logical fallacy, and it requires another to maintain the silliness.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
I forgot about vaccines and contrails!

It's absolutely an ability to deal with complexity (hence a centralized 'bad guy' that controls most of what you see around you) and a general disenfranchisement. Like society hasn't given them the merits they think they deserve and so, like a spurned ex, they decide that "society sucks". Like a bunch of women getting together after one of their friends gets dumped and they all say, "Oh girl, he wasn't worth it. He was a loser anyway." So conspiracy theorists sit around and say "Society isn't real anyway, it doesn't matter. It's all a big ruse. Like for example.." and out come the conspiracy theories.

It's a coping mechanism for people that are some combination of slow, confused, inexperienced (this is where a lot of high school and college kids get into it, most grow out of it), and disenfranchised (this and the confusion [at the changes in society in general] is what gets some older CTers).

But yeah, that's what I came into the thread to talk about: how weird it is that if you believe in one, you almost always believe in several. But...Sadling didn't get that :(
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Vaccines are a little different from the other conspiracies - a lot of parents who have autistic kids look for explanations in order to deal with that kind of burden, and so seize upon the anti-vaxxer myths. From what I've seen, most of them (including my own) quickly discard them due to their gaping lack of evidence and credibility, but it's enough to keep the movement afloat.

I didn't even know there was a contrail conspiracy theory. That's hilarious. My favorite, though, has to be the USS Liberty: there's so little reason for the conspiracy to even occur that it's telling to see people up in arms about it almost 50 years later.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
The whole argument is built upon a logical fallacy, and it requires another to maintain the silliness.
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There are countless documents showing how German engineers and nazi officials struggled to dispose of the bodies. We have several generations of crematoriums, each evolving, becoming more sophisticated from the last.

In Auschwitz they got it down to a science. Gas chambers leading right to the crematoriums. In Duchou, the sytem wasn't yet perfected. There the killing was still done by hanging, gunshot or blunt force trauma, the bodies then stacked up, like cords of wood, to await cremation.

All of this is documented in exquisite, disgusting detail.
 
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Here are some videos that explain the issue that the pro-official version posters are tap dancing around and refusing to address.

Listen to what this guy says about the twenty five hundred people being gassed at the same time at the 1:00 time mark of this video.

Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins)
Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins) - YouTube

Now watch this video.

Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.

Here's some more relevant stuff.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-67.html#post1063031261
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-65.html#post1063023760

I suppose I'll be posting a link to this post from time to time to keep it from getting buried.
 
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Scott said:
Here are some videos that explain the issue that the pro-official version posters are tap dancing around and refusing to address.

Listen to what this guy says about the twenty five hundred people being gassed at the same time at the 1:00 time mark of this video.

Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins)
Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins) - YouTube

Now watch this video.

Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.

Here's some more relevant stuff.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-67.html#post1063031261
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-65.html#post1063023760

I suppose I'll be posting a link to this post from time to time to keep it from getting buried.
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more yootoobs... :bs

good grief. :yt
 
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Scott said:
Here are some videos that explain the issue that the pro-official version posters are tap dancing around and refusing to address.

Listen to what this guy says about the twenty five hundred people being gassed at the same time at the 1:00 time mark of this video.

Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins)
Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins) - YouTube

Now watch this video.

Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.

Here's some more relevant stuff.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-67.html#post1063031261
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...minimizers-w-471-841-a-65.html#post1063023760

I suppose I'll be posting a link to this post from time to time to keep it from getting buried.
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Speaking of ignorant YOOTOOBs.
 
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The first video in post #131 is off-line. Here's another one that explains the point being made. Start watching at the 4:55 time mark.
Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 - YouTube

He explains that the way history tell us that the workers removed the bodies from the gas chamber would have been technically impossible. If this can't be disproved, it closes the whole case.

The subject is touched on at the 5:55 time mark of this video too.
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube
 
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Scott said:
The first video in post #131 is off-line. Here's another one that explains the point being made. Start watching at the 4:55 time mark.
Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 - YouTube

He explains that the way history tell us that the workers removed the bodies from the gas chamber would have been technically impossible. If this can't be disproved, it closes the whole case.

The subject is touched on at the 5:55 time mark of this video too.
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube
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And yet practically everyone disagrees... Including the Nazi scum that perpetrated the Holocaust.
 
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Scott said:
The first video in post #131 is off-line. Here's another one that explains the point being made. Start watching at the 4:55 time mark.
Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2 - YouTube

He explains that the way history tell us that the workers removed the bodies from the gas chamber would have been technically impossible. If this can't be disproved, it closes the whole case.

The subject is touched on at the 5:55 time mark of this video too.
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube
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It's been shown repeatedly how feasible it is to remove bodies and creamate them exactly as has been described.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Indeed it has. Their argument from incredulity disagrees with the evidence.
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It's weird how many people want that dog to hunt.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Well, Holocaust Denial attracts the Anti-Semitic element like flies to ****.
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They'll deny it.
 
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calamity said:
They'll deny it.
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Of course, or raise that old cover story that 'it's about the truth, not anti-Semitism, blah, blah'. But we all know that at the core of Holocaust denial, lies the usual bigotry.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Of course, or raise that old cover story that 'it's about the truth, not anti-Semitism, blah, blah'. But we all know that at the core of Holocaust denial, lies the usual bigotry.
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Especially since the Nazis documented most of what they had done, it's on par with denying the earth is round.
 
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It's been shown repeatedly how feasible it is to remove bodies and creamate them exactly as has been described.
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Can somebody link to it? I don't have a foregone conclusion. I just want to know what really happened.
 
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Scott said:
I don't have a foregone conclusion. I just want to know what really happened.
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Who has a foregone conclusion?
 
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Jango said:
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In the context of: 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated with the help of Israel because Jews are evil = Antisemitism

In the context of: Israeli spies who were in the U.S. and were aware of the hijackers & plot warning their fellow Jew prior to the attacks = not Antisemitism
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In the context of: Israeli spies who were in the U.S. and were aware of the hijackers & plot warning their fellow Jew prior to the attacks = Antisemitism because it is not true.
 
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In the context of: 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated with the help of Israel because Jews are evil = Antisemitism

In the context of: Israeli spies who were in the U.S. and were aware of the hijackers & plot warning their fellow Jew prior to the attacks = not Antisemitism
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I'm not sure what you're trying to do here but it seems like you're trying to muddy the waters. The proof that 9/11 was an inside job is crushing.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...rce-its-way-onto-ballot-2.html#post1063453486

The idea that it wasn't an inside job has been debunked as thoroughly as the idea that the earth is flat has.
 
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Scott said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to do here but it seems like you're trying to muddy the waters. The proof that 9/11 was an inside job is crushing.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...rce-its-way-onto-ballot-2.html#post1063453486

The idea that it wasn't an inside job has been debunked as thoroughly as the idea that the earth is flat has.
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The idea that it was an inside job has been debunked as thoroughly as the idea that the earth is flat has.

There... I fixed the stupid. No charge.
 
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The idea that it was an inside job has been debunked as thoroughly as the idea that the earth is flat has.

There... I fixed the stupid. No charge.
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Well, your credibility is shot.

I hope the viewers who haven't seen the proof of an inside job will withhold judgement until they've looked at it and not be swayed by rhetoric. Here's a link to some of the clearest proof.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...rce-its-way-onto-ballot-2.html#post1063453486


Hey Fledermaus

Do you also maintain that it was possible to handle the bodies of the gassing victims the way those people said they'd handled them?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...d-minimization-w-123-a-14.html#post1063791322
 
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