History Lesson as to why guns are the problem.

[RF667799]

I gave you the real facts... denying them because you don't like them is illogical.


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Oh, yours are the "real facts".

 

[RF667799]

Instead of arguing facts you prefer to start Ad Homs... classic deflection for those that are ignorant of the facts.

I assumed that you would revert to this tactic eventually, but I reduced you to this in just three posts?


d

You should familiarize yourself with what ad hom means.

Your claim is suspect because you refuse to support it- not because you're a schoolteacher.

 

[CLAX1911]

I gave you the real facts... denying them because you don't like them is illogical.


d

Someone else posted this

Number of mass shootings in the U.S. 1982-2024| Statista

As of September 4, there were two mass shootings in the United States in 2024.

www.statista.com

 

[Bodi]

You should familiarize yourself with what ad hom means.

LOL When accused of committing an ad Hom you should figure out what that means before embarrassing yourself with such an ignorant reply.

Your claim is suspect because you refuse to support it- not because you're a schoolteacher.

No need to waste time supporting something that you summarily dismiss out of ignorance and then start casting AD HOMS.

LOL

 

[RF667799]

LOL When accused of committing an ad Hom you should figure out what that means before embarrassing yourself with such an ignorant reply.



No need to waste time supporting something that you summarily dismiss out of ignorance and then start casting AD HOMS.

LOL

You don't know what an ad hom fallacy is. Here's a hint. Just because you take something as an insult in an argument, that's not an ad hom.

Again, your claim can be disregarded because you refuse to provide any meaningful support for it. That's not an ad hom fallacy. It's not a criticism of you. It's a factual criticism of your claim.

 

[Bodi]

You don't know what an ad hom fallacy is. Here's a hint. Just because you take something as an insult in an argument, that's not an ad hom.

Cool. Perhaps you can explain how "always over his head" is NOT an insult.

Again, your claim can be disregarded because you refuse to provide any meaningful support for it. That's not an ad hom fallacy. It's not a criticism of you. It's a factual criticism of your claim.

Boring. Predictable. Your Trolling is weak. Perhaps you don't see it though... that would be a shame... but understandable.


Can't say that I didn't give you a chance to redeem how your posts come across...

sgdf



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[L88]

There were 18 in 2024 and 5 so far this year...

List of mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your list includes criminals shooting it out with each other.
A mass shooting where a gunman targets unarmed innocents was the standard. But of course, people manipulate things for their narrative.
Overall, firearms homicides are down due to

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Federal firearms prosecutions have been on the rise in recent years, particularly due to increased enforcement of prohibited person statutes and a focus on significant gun cases. This has led to a surge in convictions for offenses like illegal possession, trafficking, and use of firearms in violent crimes.

Here's a more detailed look at the factors contributing to this increase:

• Increased Enforcement of Prohibited Person Statutes:
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  The Justice Department has prioritized prosecuting individuals prohibited from possessing firearms due to prior convictions, mental health issues, or other reasons, leading to a significant rise in federal firearm prosecutions.
  
  
• Focus on Significant Gun Cases:
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  Federal law enforcement is increasingly focused on cases involving large-scale gun trafficking, illegal sales, and firearms used in violent crimes, resulting in more prosecutions and convictions.
  
  
• Mandatory Minimum Penalties:
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  Mandatory minimum penalties for certain firearms offenses, like using a firearm in a violent crime, contribute to long sentences and increased federal prison populations.
  
  
• Section 924(c) and the Armed Career Criminal Act:
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  These laws, which impose mandatory minimum sentences for firearms offenses in conjunction with other crimes, also play a role in the increased number of convictions and longer sentences.

 

[RF667799]

Cool. Perhaps you can explain how "always over his head" is NOT an insult.




Boring. Predictable. Your Trolling is weak. Perhaps you don't see it though... that would be a shame... but understandable.


Can't say that I didn't give you a chance to redeem how your posts come across...

sgdf

You still aren't grasping the concept of an ad hom fallacy. It is not a synonym for "insult".

 

[Nickyjo]

They're saying you don't have the right to define yourself with the same weapon that could be used against you so yeah.

You have the right to own guns in societies that are free. Gun controls there or here (which exist here) does not mean gun abolition. Is TSA looking in my luggage for guns tyranny? The issue is not whether we control guns. We do “infringe.” The debate is about how much control.

 

[CLAX1911]

You have the right to own guns in societies that are free. Gun controls there or here (which exist here) does not mean gun abolition. Is TSA looking in my luggage for guns tyranny?

Yes. How would a gun in your luggage be a danger. On the plane you are no where near your luggage

The issue is not whether we control guns. We do “infringe.” The debate is about how much control.

I think it's too much

 

[Bodi]

You still aren't grasping the concept of an ad hom fallacy. It is not a synonym for "insult".

RF667799 said:
Always in over his head. I bet he can out-argue some second graders though. Or at least the more dull ones.

An ad hominem fallacy occurs when someone rejects or undermines an argument by attacking the character, credentials, or other personal traits of the person presenting it, instead of addressing the issue at hand.

Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)

You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.

practicalpie.com

Bye.

 

[Rich2018]

Do you have link that uses the same metrics for a mass shooting for say the past 10 years? Does a mass shooting include a gangbanger shoot out?
According to statista there was a huge drop in Mass shootings in 2024. As in down in the historical low range.

Number of mass shootings in the U.S. 1982-2024| Statista

As of September 4, there were two mass shootings in the United States in 2024.

www.statista.com

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RF667799]

An ad hominem fallacy occurs when someone rejects or undermines an argument by attacking the character, credentials, or other personal traits of the person presenting it, instead of addressing the issue at hand.

Ad Hominem Fallacy (18 Examples + Definition)

You've probably stumbled across people arguing by attacking someone's character instead of their ideas. Maybe you've even been guilty of this yourself.

practicalpie.com

Bye.

Now you understand.

 

[L88]

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Come on, man. Wikipedia?

Mother Jones has 2 mass shootings listed for 2024. They don't include criminal activity.

US mass shootings, 1982–2024: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

 

[Nickyjo]

Yes. How would a gun in your luggage be a danger. On the plane you are no where near your luggage

I think it's too much

And I don’t think it’s enough. But as to luggage, sorry, I was talking about carry on bags. As far as I know, TSA doesn’t look in my checked bags.

 

[L88]

And I don’t think it’s enough. But as to luggage, sorry, I was talking about carry on bags. As far as I know, TSA doesn’t look in my checked bags.

I believe all bags go through X-ray or whatever the correct term is.

 

[CLAX1911]

And I don’t think it’s enough.

Wife what do you think we're going to control what's going to prevent?

But as to luggage, sorry, I was talking about carry on bags. As far as I know, TSA doesn’t look in my checked bags.

Yeah they do. They don't open them and physically look through them but they do get screened.

Why would you stop people from having firearms on the airplane?

 

[Nickyjo]

Wife what do you think we're going to control what's going to prevent?

Sorry don’t understand the question.

Yeah they do. They don't open them and physically look through them but they do get screened.

Right. Seems to me I heard that guns are ok if unloaded and secured in some container.

Why would you stop people from having firearms on the airplane?

Well there was the Archie Bunker solution. He posited that flight attendants should distribute loaded pistols to passengers for the duration of the trip, and collect them as folks left the cabin. Would that be the sort of thing that you might support, with everyone even more or less? Or would you agree with the rules in place for the last 50-60 years?

 

[CLAX1911]

Sorry don’t understand the question.

What do you think is going to prevent?

Right. Seems to me I heard that.

Well that would make sense because if they didn't they would be the world's biggest drug traffickers.

Well there was the Archie Bunker solution. He posited that flight attendants should distribute loaded pistols to passengers for the duration of the trip, and collect them as folks left the cabin. Would that be the sort of thing that you might support, with everyone even more or less.

No but I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to carry a pistol on the plane what's appointed restricting that you have any idea or is it just "guns bad"

 

[Nickyjo]

What do you think is going to prevent?

I think that controls on ownership and carrying weapons would reduce the number of gun deaths, as they do in other countries similar to ours. I type this knowing that are relatively high homicide rates have causes in addition to the high number of guns in circulation in the US.

Well that would make sense because if they didn't they would be the world's biggest drug traffickers.

No but I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to carry a pistol on the plane what's appointed restricting that you have any idea or is it just "guns bad"

Again, not sure I understand your sentence, especially the “what’s appointed restricting” phrase. But if you want to change the law and the rules that TSA inspectors enforce, have at it. As I understand things, the rules go back several decades.

Guns are not bad, they are just a tool that is more efficient in protecting oneself and/or harming others. And of course, they are not the only weapons or items prohibited on flights.

 

[CLAX1911]

I think that controls on ownership and carrying weapons would reduce the number of gun deaths,

What makes you think that?

as they do in other countries similar to ours.

There are no other countries similar to ours. So I have no idea what you mean by this.

I type this knowing that are relatively high homicide rates have causes in addition to the high number of guns in circulation in the US.

What is this guns in circulation crap they're always going to be there words written on a piece of paper in a building somewhere doesn't stop that

Again, not sure I understand your sentence, especially the “what’s appointed restricting” phrase. But if you want to change the law and the rules that TSA inspectors enforce, have at it. As I understand things, the rules go back several decades.

How long the rule has been in place doesn't justify it.

Guns are not bad,

So have an argument that's based on reason and rationale and I won't have to jump to the conclusion that you're making that argument.

they are just a tool that is more efficient in protecting oneself and/or harming others. And of course, they are not the only weapons or items prohibited on flights.

What is the point in prohibiting things on flights explain?

 

[poppopfox]

Glad to see you posting support for civilian concealed carry.

 

[poppopfox]

There are many falke studies like this the most famous was the Arthur Kellerman study.

Falke studies? Never heard of them.

Of you ever have to defend your family try begging then tell us how that worked out

How immature can you stoop? Kidding, it's obvious.

 

[RF667799]

Sorry don’t understand the question.

Right. Seems to me I heard that guns are ok if unloaded and secured in some container.


Well there was the Archie Bunker solution. He posited that flight attendants should distribute loaded pistols to passengers for the duration of the trip, and collect them as folks left the cabin. Would that be the sort of thing that you might support, with everyone even more or less? Or would you agree with the rules in place for the last 50-60 years?

You understand the All In The Family scripts were often penned to include ridiculous strawmen, right?

 

[Nickyjo]

What makes you think that?

There are no other countries similar to ours. So I have no idea what you mean by this.

Ah “American Exceptionalism.” We are different, are not like any other countries. As I imagine you know, the US is often compared to other countries that people deem similar, as in when people note that we are the only developed country without universal national health care, or as one French official put it in the Cold War years, the only free country that still uses the death penalty. This is fascism-light. We can make the rules but don’t have to abide by them. America Uber Alles.

What is this guns in circulation crap they're always going to be there words written on a piece of paper in a building somewhere doesn't stop that

How long the rule has been in place doesn't justify it.

Don’t argue with me. Try to take a loaded gun on a flight, then when prohibited take your case to court. Good luck. Report back.

So have an argument that's based on reason and rationale and I won't have to jump to the conclusion that you're making that argument.

What is the point in prohibiting things on flights explain?

Because weapons, from guns to box cutters, have been used on flights to cause great damage, eg., 9-11. Hijackings have declined after screening. Effort well worth it. But why ask me? I assume you could get a more comprehensive answer by contacting TSA officials. Or just Google the question.