History Lesson as to why guns are the problem.

[poppopfox]

No matter how you slice and dice those numbers tho, they still far outweigh the ~36,000 gun deaths/year, of which 2/3 are intentional (suicide).

Do you have an argument that explains why Americans who justifiably believe their risks and circumstances prudently would improve their security/protection with firearms should be denied that protection? (If you think they should). This is a choice they make...and they weigh the risks and consequences. Do you believe that the govt/strangers are in a better position to do so for them?

If you choose to deflect with "they dont consider/weigh those things," please back that up.

How should Buddhists respond to the gun violence epidemic?

So I feel our response as Buddhists should also be based on facts rather than emotion. The first and foremost precept of Buddhism is ahimsa—non-violence, non-harm, no unnecessary harm. This is true of all sects and traditions of Buddhism past and present. I feel strongly that as Buddhists we should represent our non-harm precept in any way we can, and be prepared to stand up for it. I don’t think this means we should just meditate, say the loving-kindness prayer, and so on. I think our response needs to be more muscular and practical than that. When someone is firing randomly into a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle, the loving-kindness prayer is not going to help. We should also remember the first noble truth of Buddhism, that human existence is marked by suffering. This doesn’t just mean that people suffer now and then, it means that because of our human tendency to yield to the three “poisons” of greed, anger, and confusion, human beings are constantly creating wars, injustice, exploitation, cruelty, and many forms of unimaginable suffering. We always have and to some extent always will.

 

[JMB1911A1]

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It was your link that I quoted. Not my fault if you didn’t read it or comprehend it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Ah “American Exceptionalism.” We are different, are not like any other countries. As I imagine you know, the US is often compared to other countries that people deem similar,

I don't care that people just randomly deem the US similar to other countries for the benefit of their argument on nothing else that doesn't make it similar.

Show the similarities please.

as in when people note that we are the only developed country without universal national health care, or as one French official put it in the Cold War years, the only free country that still uses the death penalty. This is fascism-light. We can make the rules but don’t have to abide by them. America Uber Alles.

None of this suggests that any of these countries are similar.

Don’t argue with me.

Don't make stupid points.

Try to take a loaded gun on a flight, then when prohibited take your case to court. Good luck. Report back.

I didn't say that there is no law against that I asked why there is one. Can I assume you have no ****ing clue it wouldn't be the first time.

Because weapons, from guns to box cutters, have been used on flights to cause great damage, eg., 9-11. Hijackings have declined after screening.

Did you know that there's Federal employees that audit the TSA, they go through security checkpoints with contraband on purpose to see if they're catching it. Do you know how often they miss the federal employees taking contraband through security? It's 95% of the time TSA is a total failure. If there is less hijackings now it has nothing at all to do with the incompetent pedophiles groping children in the TSA

Effort well worth it.

But I can't be so sure of that.

But why ask me? I assume you could get a more comprehensive answer by contacting TSA officials.

They like other government agencies will tell whatever lie means they don't lose their government funding. You never ask a parasite if it's good for the host.

Or just Google the question.

I have before I went digging for the truth I didn't just stop on the first bit of propaganda I found that I agreed with.

 

[JMB1911A1]

How should Buddhists respond to the gun violence epidemic?

So I feel our response as Buddhists should also be based on facts rather than emotion. The first and foremost precept of Buddhism is ahimsa—non-violence, non-harm, no unnecessary harm. This is true of all sects and traditions of Buddhism past and present. I feel strongly that as Buddhists we should represent our non-harm precept in any way we can, and be prepared to stand up for it. I don’t think this means we should just meditate, say the loving-kindness prayer, and so on. I think our response needs to be more muscular and practical than that. When someone is firing randomly into a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle, the loving-kindness prayer is not going to help. We should also remember the first noble truth of Buddhism, that human existence is marked by suffering. This doesn’t just mean that people suffer now and then, it means that because of our human tendency to yield to the three “poisons” of greed, anger, and confusion, human beings are constantly creating wars, injustice, exploitation, cruelty, and many forms of unimaginable suffering. We always have and to some extent always will.

Does that include buying Chinese military rifles and modifying them to use 30 round magazines?

 

[CLAX1911]

How should Buddhists respond to the gun violence epidemic?

Don't murder people.

So I feel our response as Buddhists should also be based on facts rather than emotion. The first and foremost precept of Buddhism is ahimsa—non-violence, non-harm, no unnecessary harm. This is true of all sects and traditions of Buddhism past and present. I feel strongly that as Buddhists we should represent our non-harm precept in any way we can, and be prepared to stand up for it. I don’t think this means we should just meditate, say the loving-kindness prayer, and so on. I think our response needs to be more muscular and practical than that. When someone is firing randomly into a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle, the loving-kindness prayer is not going to help. We should also remember the first noble truth of Buddhism, that human existence is marked by suffering. This doesn’t just mean that people suffer now and then, it means that because of our human tendency to yield to the three “poisons” of greed, anger, and confusion, human beings are constantly creating wars, injustice, exploitation, cruelty, and many forms of unimaginable suffering. We always have and to some extent always will.

 

[poppopfox]

It was your link that I quoted. Not my fault if you didn’t read it or comprehend it.

 

[JMB1911A1]

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Oh, a cute fat guy. Guess you can’t argue the fact that your source didn’t support your position. Better go hug your Chinese “assault weapon”.

 

[RF667799]

How should Buddhists respond to the gun violence epidemic?

So I feel our response as Buddhists should also be based on facts rather than emotion. The first and foremost precept of Buddhism is ahimsa—non-violence, non-harm, no unnecessary harm. This is true of all sects and traditions of Buddhism past and present. I feel strongly that as Buddhists we should represent our non-harm precept in any way we can, and be prepared to stand up for it. I don’t think this means we should just meditate, say the loving-kindness prayer, and so on. I think our response needs to be more muscular and practical than that. When someone is firing randomly into a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle, the loving-kindness prayer is not going to help. We should also remember the first noble truth of Buddhism, that human existence is marked by suffering. This doesn’t just mean that people suffer now and then, it means that because of our human tendency to yield to the three “poisons” of greed, anger, and confusion, human beings are constantly creating wars, injustice, exploitation, cruelty, and many forms of unimaginable suffering. We always have and to some extent always will.

Is there another part to that recommending having your own modified-for-exta-capacity, semiautomatic, Chinese Weapon of War?

 

[poppopfox]

Does that include buying Chinese military rifles and modifying them to use 30 round magazines?

I can see why you were riffed out of the navy.

 

[poppopfox]

Oh, a cute fat guy. Guess you can’t argue the fact that your source didn’t support your position.

What was my position? Can you articulate?

Better go hug your Chinese “assault weapon”.

Not yet reached maturity, have you?

 

[RF667799]

I can see why you were riffed out of the navy.

Can you explain your accusation, or shall we assume you are lying?

Don't take his clumsy ass bait, @JMB1911A1

 

[Nickyjo]

I don't care that people just randomly deem the US similar to other countries for the benefit of their argument on nothing else that doesn't make it similar.

Show the similarities please.

Wealth. Representative government. High levels of literacy. On the negative side, a history of imperialism.

None of this suggests that any of these countries are similar.

Don't make stupid points.

I didn't say that there is no law against that I asked why there is one. Can I assume you have no ****ing clue it wouldn't be the first time.

Did you know that there's Federal employees that audit the TSA, they go through security checkpoints with contraband on purpose to see if they're catching it. Do you know how often they miss the federal employees taking contraband through security? It's 95% of the time TSA is a total failure. If there is less hijackings now it has nothing at all to do with the incompetent pedophiles groping children in the TSA

But I can't be so sure of that.

They like other government agencies will tell whatever lie means they don't lose their government funding. You never ask a parasite if it's good for the host.

I have before I went digging for the truth I didn't just stop on the first bit of propaganda I found that I agreed with.

So why in your opinion have hijackings declined over the years since we started screening passengers?

But your post suggests a Trump-like approach to difficult issues. We can make the rules, design the treaties to regulate other, (by implication inferior) countries’ behavior, but our uniqueness, our superiority, that there is no one like us means we don’t have to be bound by anything we design as do these obviously inferior countries and peoples. That has a bit of a whiff of fascism about it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Wealth. Representative government. High levels of literacy. On the negative side, a history of imperialism.

So based on nothing regarding ownership of firearms or propensity for violence.

You'd have a point if we were talking about economics.

So why in your opinion have hijackings declined over the years since we started screening passengers?

Maybe the same thing that caused other violent crimes to drop. Maybe the Patriot act helped discover terrorists before they ever made the attempt.

But your post suggests a Trump-like approach to difficult issues. We can make the rules, design the treaties to regulate other, (by implication inferior) countries’ behavior, but our uniqueness, our superiority, that there is no one like us means we don’t have to be bound by anything we design as do these obviously inferior countries and peoples. That has a bit of a whiff of fascism about it.

I'm not the one trying to take away people's rights.

 

[JMB1911A1]

What was my position? Can you articulate?

Even better, I can quote you.

Gun lobby propaganda. The CDC has never said that. Others have used the survey data to make that specious claim.

Defensive Gun Use Statistics: America’s Life-Saving Gun Incidents (2024)
Although the CDC did release a comprehensive study citing 60,000-2,500,000 defensive use cases each year, the government agency quickly withdrew its findings. Self-defense is subjective and, therefore, challenging to identify. Thus, we must understand the debate before accurately assessing how many defensive gun uses are possible.


Variations in Reporting

Although we can’t say exactly how many DGUs occur each year, we can deduce whether they are common or not based on the information that we do have. Various surveys from the early 1990s to 2023 gave us the 60,000-2,500,000 use case estimate.

Defensive gun use has no singular definition. Some researchers refer to the individual’s feelings about the situation. Others assess only those actively involved in violent crimes.

When Defensive Gun Use Doesn’t Work

Although the research is limited, a 2009 study in Philadelphia does shed light on instances where gunshot victims failed to thwart an attacker.

The study focused solely on gunshot victims who were over 21 and in possession of a firearm at the time of the assault. The control group were individuals of similar age and gender in Philadelphia at the same time of the shooting.

Here are factors to consider regarding incidents where an armed person was injured in a shooting-related attack:

• Alcohol and illicit drugs were often a factor in the shooting.
• 1-sided conflicts resulted in fewer shootings than 2-sided ones.
• Reaction time was paramount in both one-sided and two-sided interactions. However, those who had time to react in two-sided interactions were more likely to be shot than those who had no reaction time.

What your link actually says.

When we factor in all available studies and surveys, an average of 1.8 million crimes are stopped by guns.

Pretty spectacular failure on your part.

Not yet reached maturity, have you?

 

[Lursa]

How should Buddhists respond to the gun violence epidemic?

So I feel our response as Buddhists should also be based on facts rather than emotion. The first and foremost precept of Buddhism is ahimsa—non-violence, non-harm, no unnecessary harm. This is true of all sects and traditions of Buddhism past and present. I feel strongly that as Buddhists we should represent our non-harm precept in any way we can, and be prepared to stand up for it. I don’t think this means we should just meditate, say the loving-kindness prayer, and so on. I think our response needs to be more muscular and practical than that. When someone is firing randomly into a crowd with a semi-automatic rifle, the loving-kindness prayer is not going to help. We should also remember the first noble truth of Buddhism, that human existence is marked by suffering. This doesn’t just mean that people suffer now and then, it means that because of our human tendency to yield to the three “poisons” of greed, anger, and confusion, human beings are constantly creating wars, injustice, exploitation, cruelty, and many forms of unimaginable suffering. We always have and to some extent always will.

TL;dr

So you deflected with that instead. Instead, again, of directly responding to my post. It seems you dont like reasoned argument...no one expects you to like it or even agree...but a valid response would be nice.

 

[poppopfox]

Even better, I can quote you.


What your link actually says.

When we factor in all available studies and surveys, an average of 1.8 million crimes are stopped by guns.

Cherry picking on your part You must have missed this claim in the link - Although we can’t say exactly how many DGUs occur each year... .

Also, the "WE" mentioned multiple times is not the CDC, it is the article's author - CASSANDRA MCBRIDE. Click on the link to read her bio. (Hint: Writes "as a hobby," and is heavily pro-gun biased.)

 

[poppopfox]

It was your link that I quoted. Not my fault if you didn’t read it or comprehend it.

JMB1911A1 said:
Glad to see you posting support for civilian concealed carry.

Not my fault you can't argue without resorting to making up claims. Show the words I used to make you think I support concealed carry.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Not my fault you can't argue without resorting to making up claims. Show the words I used to make you think I support concealed carry.

You posted a link that supports concealed carry.

So, what are you going to do? Attack my military service again?

 

[Rich2018]

Come on, man. Wikipedia?

/The Wiki page lists each and every incident.

 

[RF667799]

/The Wiki page lists each and every incident.

By what criteria?

 

[Maccabee]

Conservative Gun Nuts fail to understand history and the damage that the 2nd Amendment has caused... but they don't care. They are Nuts.




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There's a way to have a large population of armed citizens and reduce gun violence. Just look at Switzerland. They have a population similar to Virginia, MORE privately owned firearms that Virginia, but significantly LESS gun violence and mass shootings. The bare minimum we can do to reduce gun violence in the States is to have private sellers criminally and civilly liable if they sell to someone without at least a background check.

 

[poppopfox]

There's a way to have a large population of armed citizens and reduce gun violence. Just look at Switzerland. They have a population similar to Virginia, MORE privately owned firearms that Virginia, but significantly LESS gun violence and mass shootings. The bare minimum we can do to reduce gun violence in the States is to have private sellers criminally and civilly liable if they sell to someone without at least a background check.

Apples to oranges. More differences than similarities between the two.

 

[Maccabee]

Apples to oranges. More differences than similarities between the two.

Explain.

 

[stealthycat]

why were black men/women in the early 1800's in the USA allowed to have guns ?

 

[poppopfox]

why were black men/women in the early 1800's in the USA allowed to have guns ?

THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF GUN OWNERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY

Since the beginning of the birth of the United States all citizens have had the option to exercise their free will in purchasing or not purchasing a gun for self defense and/or hunting. The exception to that rule were African Americans. Black Codes or laws were put into place in just about every State preventing African Americans to legally own any type of Firearm or weapon. These laws were used to oppress and control African American populations especially in the Southern States.

Starting in 1751, the French Black Code required Louisiana colonists to stop any Blacks, and if necessary, beat “any Black carrying any potential weapon, such as a cane.” If a Black refused to stop on demand, and was on horseback, the colonist was authorized to “shoot to kill.” Because of fear of Indian attack, and the importance of hunting to the colonial economy, slave possession of firearms was at times a necessity in Louisiana. But the colonists had to balance their fear of the Indians against their fear of their slaves. As a result, French Louisiana passed laws that allowed slaves and free Blacks to possess firearms only under very controlled conditions.

In 1790s, when the first U. S. official arrived in New Orleans in 1803 to take charge of this new American possession, the planters sought to have the existing free Black militia disarmed, and otherwise exclude “free Blacks from positions in which they were required to bear arms."