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XShipRider said:Fences are not meant to stop. They only deter, slow-down or dissuade
much like locks on doors. Not every illegal immigrant will want to scale
a razor wire fence. The fence idea, though I too think it's ludicrous, is
window dressing gone mad.
This is a typical knee-jerk approach to border security. I would think
with technology we could more effectively monitor and respond to
illegal entry. Would we catch them all? Probably not but any future
system will have flaws, lapses or holes. As you pointed out, the
border is multiple thousands miles with near infinite porosity now.
As for the airspace, they don't shoot down drug smugglers who are flying
just above wave height, without lights, without transponders and without
flight plans. Do you think we would have the wherewithal to stop
illegal immigrant flights? Post 9/11 or no post 9/11, not a chance.
I'm in complete agreement with you.
I have no definitive answer to the problem but know the fence is not
going to do it.
hipsterdufus said:Q. How do most undocumented workers come to America?
Hint - it's not by walking across the border.
A. The vast majority of undocumented workers come to this country legally by airplane, and stay after here after their visas run out.
jamesrage said:Q.How are most illegals able to stay here after their temporary visas run out?
A.Rat traitors who employ them, and do business with them,rat traitors who give the driver's licenses and IDs,rat traitors who defend them.
hipsterdufus said:So the church (they aid immigrants)and Wal mart (they hire immigrants) are a rat traitors according to you? Cool!
I hope the GOP puts that in the platform. :sinking:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Senator_Graham_Harsh_penalties_for_illegal_0402.htmlMR. WALLACE: Now, Senate Majority Leader Frist says that even if all 45 Democrats vote for your bill, the bill that you're bill, that you're not going to be able to get the 15 Republicans to break a filibuster of the comprehensive package. A couple of questions here: Do you think the Senate will pass an immigration bill, and if so, what kind?
SEN. GRAHAM: I think it will be a comprehensive bill similar to what the president's been advocating. I think it will be political suicide for our party to filibuster a comprehensive solution to a real problem facing America. It would be political suicide to ignore there's 11 million people here illegally, undocumented, who are trying to work and add value to our country. If we adopt the approach of going to a Hispanic soldier in Iraq and a Hispanic Marine in Iraq and telling them the Republican Party's position is that we're going to make your grandparents felons and deport them, we will lose power as a party.
If we're going to charitable organizations, religious institutions who are providing assistance to abused women and children and say if you help somebody who's undocumented we're going to make you a felon, we will lose our majority. That's not the way to go. The president has said that's not the way to go. We need a comprehensive solution that allows people to earn their citizenship by going through gates over an 11-year period of time, showing they're good citizens and they've worked their way out of this problem.
hipsterdufus said:It's a bit of semantics, but I don't like to use the term illegal aliens - it sounds like terrorists from outer space. I don't think this one issue defines a person, having worked closely with someone who, through no fault of his own, had his student visa expire. At that point, he was, in your terms, an "illegal alien" In my terms, he was, and is my friend, peer and colleague.
hipsterdufus said:It's a bit of semantics, but I don't like to use the term illegal aliens - it sounds like terrorists from outer space.
So you are telling me that student visa do not come with experation dates?I don't think this one issue defines a person, having worked closely with someone who, through no fault of his own, had his student visa expire
Senator Lindsey Graham's (SC-Rep) was on Fox talking about the risk of GOP suicide in backing Frist's Bill that criminalizes church groups that support undocumented workers. Don't listen to him. Please. Please Please.!!!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Senator_Graham_Harsh_penalties_for_illegal_0402.html
hipsterdufus said:Q. How do most undocumented workers come to America?
Hint - it's not by walking across the border.
XShipRider said:So you're saying that more illegal immigrants enter the country via
plane than sneak across the Southern or Northern border? I have
to ask where you could find data to support that assertion?
XShipRider said:So you're saying that more illegal immigrants enter the country via plane than sneak across the Southern or Northern border? I have
to ask where you could find data to support that assertion?
jamesrage said:I wonder that myself, how can people that are dirtpoor can afford plane tickets and visa?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?Congress' Republican leaders called Tuesday for removing from the House-passed immigration bill a provision that would make it a felony for a foreign national to be in the United States without a valid visa and blamed Democrats for its inclusion.
The Republican leadership still supports making the offense a misdemeanor.
shuamort said:It looks like the Republicans are wussing out on this one now:
GOP wants felony clause out of immigration bill
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
No, but do you want to explain why the republicans are not only backing away from this felony thing but blaming it on the democrats now too?Navy Pride said:Did you see Hillary and Kennedy selling their soul for the Hispanic vote at that rally in Washington the other day...........They have no shame.......
shuamort said:It looks like the Republicans are wussing out on this one now:
GOP wants felony clause out of immigration bill
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
shuamort said:No, but do you want to explain why the republicans are not only backing away from this felony thing but blaming it on the democrats now too?
Alias said:In an interview on WABC radio, she said: "I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants."
That is from December 2004. The flip flops have already started. She took a look at those crowds and saw all those votes and she did the flip flop boogie.
That reminds me of a joke I heard.shuamort said:No, but do you want to explain why the republicans are not only backing away from this felony thing but blaming it on the democrats now too?
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