You were proven wrong repeatedly. Kindly cease your bull****.
You must be one of John Kerry's aides; I voted for it, and against it, then i was for it, but not maybe... :roll:
You voted against them, but support them and are happy they are part of the lebanese government?
Huh?
i will cease asking the question when facts are offered instead of opinion
but i get it
the facts are not with you
all you have to offer are erroneous opinions
There'sv a simple thing that you can do. Click on my name, then "find more posts by Mira" then if you are able to find one single post where I said I "support Hizbollah" please point it out to me and you'll get a box of candy.
What I'm saying mister is that Hizbollah are Lebanese and they represent much of the Shi'ite population of Lebanon. They are in the government and doing a fine job at that. If they seize their attacks against Israel, which they have since 2006, they will simply continue to be part of the Lebanese structure.
You have to remember that the country went thourgh 15 years of war and there remained hardly any fraction that was not armed and supported by an outside force.
The Christian Phalangist party that was created in the model of the Nazi youth was armed and trained by Israel. They are part of the government as well.
National unitity is just that, national unity, all the parties are reresented. What I'm saying is that all parties represented in the government should from now on concentrate on building the country and helping it prosper and to quit fighting proxy wars on Lebanese soil.
I would like to see Iran's influence removed from Lebanon. Iran is a terror state. They can do nothing constructive for Lebanon.
Fate would have it that your ideology is juxtaposed to the ideologues of the past 9 years.
Iran is going to have a large claim in the future of Iraq. Sadr will be back, as an Ayatollah (trained in Tehran) and will replace Sistani.
I doubt it.
Al Sistani will not be replaced by a nazi douchebag like Sadr. Sadr will die long before that happens.
There'sv a simple thing that you can do. Click on my name, then "find more posts by Mira" then if you are able to find one single post where I said I "support Hizbollah" please point it out to me and you'll get a box of candy.
What I'm saying mister is that Hizbollah are Lebanese and they represent much of the Shi'ite population of Lebanon. They are in the government and doing a fine job at that. If they seize their attacks against Israel, which they have since 2006, they will simply continue to be part of the Lebanese structure.
You have to remember that the country went thourgh 15 years of war and there remained hardly any fraction that was not armed and supported by an outside force.
The Christian Phalangist party that was created in the model of the Nazi youth was armed and trained by Israel. They are part of the government as well.
National unitity is just that, national unity, all the parties are reresented. What I'm saying is that all parties represented in the government should from now on concentrate on building the country and helping it prosper and to quit fighting proxy wars on Lebanese soil.
was their attack on embassies legitimate?Only if you knew who Haifa Wehbeh is you would have understood that LoneWolf is being ironic.
And plus, it is the USA and Israel who consider Hizbollah a terrorist organisation and as far as I know, the USA and Israel do not represent the entire world.
I'm not a Hizbollah supporter, but I wouldn't go as far as comparing them to the Nazis. Their fight against Israel's presence in Lebanon was totally legitimate, firing rockets on to Israeli towns is not.
Except all of the other factions agreed long ago to disarm, and the hez terrorists refused, over and over. Then the UN demanded they disarm, and they still refuse today, even after being directly ordered to do so in 1701.
They are also continuing to operate a state-within-a-state, running a secondary, hidden telecommunications network (that i've mentioned several times which you refuse to acknowledge) that is used to spy on other lebanese as well as attacked other lebanese last year, which you also continue to ignore.
Doesn't sound like a political party to me - more like a terrorist group - and you sound awfully alot like an apologizer/sycophant for them.
I offered you three very valid pieces of evidence. You ignored it. That isn't my fault.
learn to distinguish between opinion and fact and then get back to me
You still haven't responded to rogerredy's previous post with sources? If you're going to dispute people's arguments at least acknowledge sources that come into conflict against your predisposition to the situation.
you too. distinguish between opinion and fact
bring facts to the table
i won't waste my time dealing with your team's propaganda
No matter how hard you stamp your feet, they remain Lebanese and they will be part of the government. They are terrorists as long as they attack Israeli civilain targets which they haven't done since 2006. Their 32 page statement that Nasrallah recently read to the Lebanese calls for NATIONAL UNITY and the DEFENCE from Israel and not OFFENSE.
I have the full text right here in a Lebanese newspaper. And please keep your insults to yourself.
learn to distinguish between opinion and fact and then get back to me
You continue to ignore these fundamental facts:
1) Iran controls hezboolah
2) Hezboolah has built, amongst other things, a separate and distinct communications network to spy on other people in lebanon
3) attacked other lebanese last year murdering several people
4) set up check points in lebanon during the 2008 attacks on other lebanese
You keep your head in the sand, terror apologizer, and we'll keep reviewing the facts as they come in.
Thanks for your time, and have a great day.
learn to distinguish between opinion and fact and then get back to me
1) If we eliminate every party that served a foreign interest, there will be absolutely not a single party or a person left in Lebanon
2) They don't spy on other Lebanese and yes, they have a TV station so does Hariri "Future TV"
3) It was a show of force to make a point that they will not disarm / 4) Same as above.
You forget a minor detail that Hizbollah is MUCH stronger than the Lebanese army, so the Lebanese government CANNOT disarm them. In short, military power against them will only lead to a civil war and in the end the Hizbollah will win.
They have not fired a single rocket on Israel since 2006, dipolomacy is working quite well, so what exactly is your problem ?
There are shades of gray, and while SA might be helping sunnis there, they are not interfering anywhere near the same degree as iran, who has murdered dozens of journalists and politicians there.
As for the US, it is helping train the lebanese army, not a specific faction.
Oh no? You are mistaken:
Walid Phares : 'Hezbollah's Communication Network Confirms Its Terror Goals' : World Defense Review
Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Row over Hezbollah phone network
So it is alright for them to attack other lebanese?
Is that also a form of "resistance"? Is that how "democracies," as you claim lebanon is - function where one party can militarily attack another? Or in this case, one faction can attack not only the other parties, but the gov't itself?
And you sit there lying to us that lebanon is a representative republic?
You do not get that a sovereign nation - let alone a democracy - cannot function when it is held hostage by a single faction, funded, trained and controlled by an external enemy power.
Because they got their head handed to them by israel, who has re-attained the deterrant element some people thought it had lost.
This can go on forever. I repeat:
I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIZBOLLAH
I NEVER SUPPORTED HIZBOLLAH
AS LONG AS HIZBOLLAH DOES NOT FIRE ROCKETS ON ISRAELI TOWNS HIZBOLLAH BECOMES A LEBANESE INTERNAL AFFAIR
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ??????
LET THE LEBANESE HANDLE THEIR FRIGGING INTERNAL PROBLEMS !!!
SHEEEEEEESH !!!!!
Pray! Clam thyself!
The problem is that Hizb'Allah IS firing rockets on Israeli Towns, and the Lebanese authorities are too weak to make a stand. Whether your support them or not is immaterial.
I'm not against Hizbollah and Amal to have members in the government and to represent the Shi'ite population, I'm all for it. .
So, you are all for this, then, taken directly from their charter:
The Necessity for the Destruction of Israel.
We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.
Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.
We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity."
You need to understand the terrorist mentality, for them, Israeli actions in 2006 were counted as "aggression" and not as a counter-offensive to their act.I do not care about their charter as much as care about their 32 page letter that they just read to the Lebanese.
Many charters have come and gone, don't you think that actions count more than words ?
They haven't fired a single rocket on Israeli towns since 2006 and they are now talking about DEFENSIVE measures and not OFFENCIVE.
If they ever fire another rocket on Israel, THEN we can speak about the application of the charter.
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