Hey young Trump voters, female Trump voters, minority Trump voters & Harris haters because of Gaza. Do you see that you made everything worse?

[eohrnberger]

Starving innocent kids is a really good look internationally.

Hamas should take note then, as that's what they are doing.

In addition, the press has been caught colluding with Hamas' media ministry, taking direction for staged photos, complying with Hamas' demands for some story and pictures to be censored, and other instances.

Gaza journalists speak out about Hamas intimidation, threats, assaults - Committee to Protect Journalists

New York, May 15, 2025—When Gazan journalist Tawfiq Abu Jarad received a phone call from a Hamas security agent warning him not to cover a protest, he readily complied, having been assaulted by Hamas-affiliated forces once before. The April 27 women’s anti-war demonstration in northern...

cpj.org

At this point, the international press coverage of Hamas and Gaza can only be considered as Hamas propaganda and suspect of Hamas manipulation.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes, and all the rockets, tunnels, suicide bombers, and the 10/7 attack / invasion, all support Israel's 'borderline genocidal campaign of aggression'.


That's the push narrative you want to promote. The problem is that you won't, and don't, even ask the question, or consider, what that was in response to. An example of confirmation bias blinders in action.


That Hamas can or cannot “destroy Israel” is immaterial to Hamas' ideology, which is largely based on that.




Actually not. The same applied to the UN, and their also distinctly anti-Israeli stance.


The reality is that Hamas is putting their own people, Palenstinians, at risk by putting their terrorist installations next to civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, etc. etc. in essence Hamas is using children as a shield, and here you are defending them in doing so by parroting Hamas' propaganda.


There you go again, denying the unpleasant truth, same as all the left leaning in the UN, same as the rest of the Dems, Libs, and Progs.

It founded in the false preconceived belief that the same things that Western cultures hold dear, take children for example, are held as dear in other cultures. Except they are not. No wonder that the left does so consistently poorly in foreign policy, as history has established.

The fact that people fight back against a genocide doesn’t make it not a genocide dude. Or do you think the Holocaust doesn’t count as such because of the occasional Ghetto uprising?

October 7th is utterly meaningless, and can’t excuse Israel’s actions.

You clinging to a fantasy of all Palestinians being “terrorists” can’t excuse Israel gunning down innocent civilians either.

No amount of “but Hamas” wailing can change the fact Benjamin Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal.

Maybe Israel should stop violating international law if it doesn’t want the people responsible for upholding international law to oppose its actions.

The reality is that the IDF makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted.

Wails of “Hamas propaganda” from a guy who thinks all Palestinians are “terrorists” is worthless.

You haven’t managed to provide any sort of “truth” yet. Simply asserting your utter hatred of Palestinians over and over is not evidence to support your claims.

History has indeed established how gleefully the US helps carry out genocide across the globe, yes.

 

[eohrnberger]

The fact that people fight back against a genocide doesn’t make it not a genocide dude. Or do you think the Holocaust doesn’t count as such because of the occasional Ghetto uprising?

October 7th is utterly meaningless, and can’t excuse Israel’s actions.

You clinging to a fantasy of all Palestinians being “terrorists” can’t excuse Israel gunning down innocent civilians either.

No amount of “but Hamas” wailing can change the fact Benjamin Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal.

Maybe Israel should stop violating international law if it doesn’t want the people responsible for upholding international law to oppose its actions.

The reality is that the IDF makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted.

Wails of “Hamas propaganda” from a guy who thinks all Palestinians are “terrorists” is worthless.

You haven’t managed to provide any sort of “truth” yet. Simply asserting your utter hatred of Palestinians over and over is not evidence to support your claims.

History has indeed established how gleefully the US helps carry out genocide across the globe, yes.

You continue to parrot Hamas' propaganda, as furthered by the international press.

Here's an example of this in action:

The international press which is covering this are only reporting the Hamas permitted propaganda that Hamas wants.
Do you find that hard to believe? Its true.

Here's a prime example of how the NYT and their anti-Israel predisposition furthered that Hamas propaganda.

NY Times admits emaciated Gazan boy on front page had ‘pre-existing health problems’

Paper posts note, corrects article, saying 18-month-old Mohammad al-Mutawaq has disorders 'affecting his brain and muscle development'; originally said that he 'was born healthy'

www.timesofisrael.com

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New York Times stunningly rolls back claims about viral photo of starving Gaza boy

“This additional detail gives readers a greater understanding of his situation.”

nypost.com

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New York Times Corrects Story on Starving Gazan Boy, Says He Suffered 'Pre-Existing Health Problems'​

MSN

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New York Times admits using misleading cover photo of emaciated Gaza child

The New York Times admitted a Gaza child featured on the front page as a famine victim actually suffered from a preexisting condition, leading to accusations of journalistic malpractice.

www.foxnews.com

Seems there are a long list of left leaning posters here, as well as other left leaning from across the world, who were easily taken in by this, and believe this Hamas propaganda to be true. <sigh>
How easily duped.

Snap out of it already.

 

[Tigerace117]

You continue to parrot Hamas' propaganda, as furthered by the international press.

Here's an example of this in action:

Snap out of it already.

It is not “propaganda” to point out what utter nonsense your claims that all Palestinians are “terrorists” are.

 

[eohrnberger]

It is not “propaganda” to point out what utter nonsense your claims that all Palestinians are “terrorists” are.

This being a good response to your post (from another thread on a parallel, but related, topic)

As soon as Hamas got control over Gaza, they started launching missiles into Israel.

The Palestinians were given the chance to govern themselves.
'
They put Hamas in charge and we see the result. Failure!

What do you see?

 

[Tigerace117]

This being a good response to your post (from another thread on a parallel, but related, topic)

Except Robert’s claims conveniently ignore the fact Israel A) used identical tactics to gain their own independence and B) still actively occupied Palestinian land with illegal settlements the entire time.

 

[mrjurrs]

They would not be starving if Hamas wasn't hijacking 88% of the food shipments.

Who's telling you that, the country that kills kids when they try to get some of the insufficient food deliveries?

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/23/nx-s1-5477365/israel-gaza-aid-casualties

 

[H. E. Panqui]

LOL!!!! More D/R !!

HEY TRUMP AND HARRIS VOTERS, WHY CAN'T YOU SEE YOUR VOTE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF MURDEROUSLY RETARDED NEOCON WARMONGER$?!

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Im amazed people like you cant read the tea leaves and are still proudly posting support for genocide, as if their will never be any consequences for it. Have you noticed that even most other Republicans are going into COVER YOUR ASS mode, about this Israel genocide? Hell, even the former Israeli PM, Ehud Olmert, is going into Cover Your Ass mode. AND the former Israeli Defense Minister THAT STARTED the Israeli retaliation for Oct. 7th, is going in to COVER YOUR ASS mode. What are you doing, buddy?

It's just an old Republicrat Family Tradition..

 

[eohrnberger]

Except Robert’s claims conveniently ignore the fact Israel

A) used identical tactics to gain their own independence and

This neigh on 50 years ago, so not irrelevant to the present situation.

B) still actively occupied Palestinian land with illegal settlements the entire time.

The ownership of that land a long time dispute, also irrelevant at this point.

 

[Tigerace117]

This neigh on 50 years ago, so not irrelevant to the present situation.


The ownership of that land a long time dispute, also irrelevant at this point.

Which is hilarious given Israeli apologists still routinely bring up the Six Day War.

Nope, it’s entirely relevant given Israel is still colonizing Palestinian land in violation of international law.

 

[eohrnberger]

Which is hilarious given Israeli apologists still routinely bring up the Six Day War.

Nope, it’s entirely relevant given Israel is still colonizing Palestinian land in violation of international law.

This 'Israel is still colonizing Palestinian land in violation of international law' claim is arguable based on

• Disputed, Not Occupied
• Security & Historical Rights
• Legal Claims - Some Israeli legal scholars argue that Article 49 of the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply, or that settlements are not forcibly transferred populations.

 

[Tigerace117]

This 'Israel is still colonizing Palestinian land in violation of international law' claim is arguable based on

• Disputed, Not Occupied
• Security & Historical Rights
• Legal Claims - Some Israeli legal scholars argue that Article 49 of the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply, or that settlements are not forcibly transferred populations.

Uh….no, international rulings have met a pretty firm consensus they are illegal.

So does that mean the Holocaust wasn’t genocide? After all, some German “legal scholars” argued “undesirables” didn’t have rights

 

[Craig234]

Or are you also gonna be stubborn and admit no responsibility for the 4 years of evil that you brought on our country and the world.

Next time, take care of your own ****ing house (the USA) first before you worry about other stuff. And at least TRY to understand that a lifelong MASSIVE liar will lie to you about ANYTHING (groceries, war, gas/electricity, etc).

So, you can look at your mistakes as a lesson learned and move forward and do the right things in the future or you can continue to make the USA/Gaza/Ukraine/NATO/FEMA/CDC/cancer research and the world worse.

Your choice.

I find your post disgusting, morally despicable. It's trump-like narcissism. You care only about the issues you are more affected by, and show not only zero concern for, but hostility to, the moral issues about the rogue state genocide, making you complicit. In addition, you have ignore the many arguments explaining this to you, repeating the same narcissistic attack on Gazans.

You're also nominated for an irony of the day award, screaming 'get your own house in order' as you support the exact opposite about 'your house' being in order about Biden and Harris committing genocide. Perhaps if you care a bit more about getting your own house in order, whether or not it would have changed the election, you could stop being an accomplice to and supporter of genocide.

 

[eohrnberger]

Uh….no, international rulings have met a pretty firm consensus they are illegal.

Yes, yes, from the leftists who populate those international organizations such as the ICC and the UN.
The left's anti-Semitism has already been well demonstrated and in the public record.

So does that mean the Holocaust wasn’t genocide? After all, some German “legal scholars” argued “undesirables” didn’t have rights

Not a valid analogy or comparison, clearly.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes, yes, from the leftists who populate those international organizations such as the ICC and the UN.
The left's anti-Semitism has already been well demonstrated and in the public record.


Not a valid analogy or comparison, clearly.

Once again, you are going to have to provide actual evidence that the International Criminal Court is “anti Semitic”. Just saying it is is not enough.

Glad we’ve established that “the people committing the atrocities claim they aren’t doing anything wrong” isn’t a valid argument

 

[eohrnberger]

Once again, you are going to have to provide actual evidence that the International Criminal Court is “anti Semitic”. Just saying it is is not enough.

At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the US is biased against Israel. That's a start.

I asked ChartGTP, which provided this summary:

Palestine’s State Status and Jurisdiction Expansion​

• 2021 DecisionThe ICC ruled that Palestine qualifies as a state capable of granting jurisdiction over the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza—despite recognized legal debates over Palestine’s statehood under international law and the Oslo Accords. Critics view this as selective legal reasoning.INSSThe Lawfare Project
• Acceptance as a Party (2015): Critics argue that accepting “Palestine” as a state party lacked legal justification and was politically motivated.The Lawfare ProjectB’nai B’rith International

Selective Accountability & Double Standards​

• Disproportionate Focus: Organizations like The Lawfare Project have condemned the ICC for disproportionately pursuing Israeli officials—while ignoring serious crimes by non-members such as Syria, Iran, North Korea, and China.The Lawfare Project
• More Criticism: Orde Kittrie noted the disproportionate ICC focus on Israel—especially since Israel has its own legal processes, yet remains targeted unlike other violators.The Freeman Online

Political Influence & Structural Bias​

• Political Body: Commentators describe the ICC as overly politicized, particularly highlighting how key officials are elected by regions with weaker rule-of-law records—leading to structural bias against Western democracies like Israel.The Australian
• Prosecutor's Advisers’ Bias: U.S. lawmakers and legal experts have criticized ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan’s selection of advisers—including Kevin Jon Heller and Baroness Helena Kennedy—citing their history of harsh criticism toward Israel as undermining impartiality.The Wall Street Journal

Condemnation by Jewish & Legal Organizations​

• American Jewish Groups (2021): Organizations like the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, AJC, ADL, World Jewish Congress, Simon Wiesenthal Center, and B’nai B’rith denounced the ICC’s jurisdiction ruling as ideologically motivated, alleging systemic bias and an attempt to equate Israel with Hamas.B’nai B’rith International
• Jerusalem Post Commentary: While acknowledging anti-Israel bias can influence the ICC’s context, the editorial warned that labeling the Court as antisemitic may obscure substantive legal analysis.The Jerusalem Post

The ICC isn't the unbiased legal paragone which you appear to think that it is.

Glad we’ve established that “the people committing the atrocities claim they aren’t doing anything wrong” isn’t a valid argument

 

[Tigerace117]

At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the US is biased against Israel. That's a start.

I asked ChartGTP, which provided this summary:

Palestine’s State Status and Jurisdiction Expansion​

• 2021 DecisionThe ICC ruled that Palestine qualifies as a state capable of granting jurisdiction over the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza—despite recognized legal debates over Palestine’s statehood under international law and the Oslo Accords. Critics view this as selective legal reasoning.INSSThe Lawfare Project
• Acceptance as a Party (2015): Critics argue that accepting “Palestine” as a state party lacked legal justification and was politically motivated.The Lawfare ProjectB’nai B’rith International

Selective Accountability & Double Standards​

• Disproportionate Focus: Organizations like The Lawfare Project have condemned the ICC for disproportionately pursuing Israeli officials—while ignoring serious crimes by non-members such as Syria, Iran, North Korea, and China.The Lawfare Project
• More Criticism: Orde Kittrie noted the disproportionate ICC focus on Israel—especially since Israel has its own legal processes, yet remains targeted unlike other violators.The Freeman Online

Political Influence & Structural Bias​

• Political Body: Commentators describe the ICC as overly politicized, particularly highlighting how key officials are elected by regions with weaker rule-of-law records—leading to structural bias against Western democracies like Israel.The Australian
• Prosecutor's Advisers’ Bias: U.S. lawmakers and legal experts have criticized ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan’s selection of advisers—including Kevin Jon Heller and Baroness Helena Kennedy—citing their history of harsh criticism toward Israel as undermining impartiality.The Wall Street Journal

Condemnation by Jewish & Legal Organizations​

• American Jewish Groups (2021): Organizations like the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, AJC, ADL, World Jewish Congress, Simon Wiesenthal Center, and B’nai B’rith denounced the ICC’s jurisdiction ruling as ideologically motivated, alleging systemic bias and an attempt to equate Israel with Hamas.B’nai B’rith International
• Jerusalem Post Commentary: While acknowledging anti-Israel bias can influence the ICC’s context, the editorial warned that labeling the Court as antisemitic may obscure substantive legal analysis.The Jerusalem Post

The ICC isn't the unbiased legal paragone which you appear to think that it is.

The U.S. is not “biased against Israel”. What are you talking about?

Fun fact: international law does not stop applying to Israel just because it screeches “but North Korea”, and talk about China is especially hilarious given Israel’s long standing habit of supplying China with advanced Western weaponry.

Countries that break international law are going to get criticized by the ICC. That’s just reality, and it doesn’t make Israel a “victim” as you seem to believe.

Israel is much worse than Hamas, as the death toll shows.

 

[eohrnberger]

The U.S. is not “biased against Israel”. What are you talking about?

You've obviously lost the thread. The topic was the ICC, and what I posted was specific to the ICC.
Don't you recall your claiming the ICC wasn't biased against Israel?
The points in my post show instance where they were.

Fun fact: international law does not stop applying to Israel just because it screeches “but North Korea”, and talk about China is especially hilarious given Israel’s long standing habit of supplying China with advanced Western weaponry.

Dodge. See my comment above about ICC bias.

Countries that break international law are going to get criticized by the ICC. That’s just reality, and it doesn’t make Israel a “victim” as you seem to believe.

I never claimed that Israel was a victim of the ICC. That's you just reading in what you want to be there, but isn't.

Israel is much worse than Hamas, as the death toll shows.

Hamas appear to be slow learners, and / or they have no problem instigating and continuing a situation where the Palestinians they hide behind, and shoot from behind, die.

 

[Tigerace117]

You've obviously lost the thread. The topic was the ICC, and what I posted was specific to the ICC.
Don't you recall your claiming the ICC wasn't biased against Israel?
The points in my post show instance where they were.


Dodge. See my comment above about ICC bias.


I never claimed that Israel was a victim of the ICC. That's you just reading in what you want to be there, but isn't.


Hamas appear to be slow learners, and / or they have no problem instigating and continuing a situation where the Palestinians they hide behind, and shoot from behind, die.

You said “At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the US is biased against Israel. That's a start.”

Which is clearly blatantly untrue. The U.S. isn’t “biased against Israel”; if anything, the U.S. is laughably subservient towards Israel.

The “points” in your argument were literally more than “Israeli apologists claim it’s unfair that Israel be held accountable for its actions”. That’s not a sign of “bias”; that’s literally the court doing what it was supposed to in the first place.

The blatant hypocrisy of Israel wailing about China not being held accountable only to happily turn around and supply China with advanced Western weaponry is comical.

The IDF is more than happy to simply gun down Palestinian civilians any chance it gets, regardless of whether “Hamas” is remotely around.

The IDF proudly uses civilians as human shields and does so routinely.

 

[eohrnberger]

You said “At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the US is biased against Israel. That's a start.”

Yes. That'd be my mistake, a typo. I meant to type UN, and not US.
So the revised comment would be:

"At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the UN is biased against Israel. That's a start."

Which is clearly blatantly untrue. The U.S. isn’t “biased against Israel”; if anything, the U.S. is laughably subservient towards Israel.

I wouldn't consider the US 'subservient' towards Israel.

The “points” in your argument were literally more than “Israeli apologists claim it’s unfair that Israel be held accountable for its actions”. That’s not a sign of “bias”; that’s literally the court doing what it was supposed to in the first place.

Yeah. Riight.

The blatant hypocrisy of Israel wailing about China not being held accountable only to happily turn around and supply China with advanced Western weaponry is comical.

The IDF is more than happy to simply gun down Palestinian civilians any chance it gets, regardless of whether “Hamas” is remotely around.

The IDF proudly uses civilians as human shields and does so routinely.

Riight. Did you get these 'facts' from the international press which gladly parrots Hamas propaganda? (as has been shown)

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes. That'd be my mistake, a typo. I meant to type UN, and not US.
So the revised comment would be:

"At least, by your lack of disputing, you acknowledge that the UN is biased against Israel. That's a start."


I wouldn't consider the US 'subservient' towards Israel.


Yeah. Riight.




Riight. Did you get these 'facts' from the international press which gladly parrots Hamas propaganda? (as has been shown)

Except the supposed “bias” against Israel amounts to nothing more than the UN holding Israel accountable, and therefore such a claim is meaningless.

The U.S. is pretty unequivocally subservient to Israel. It’s not even really debatable.

Blind denial doesn’t change the facts

Declarations of “Hamas propaganda” are worthless coming from a guy who thinks all Palestinian civilians are “terrorists”

 

[eohrnberger]

Except the supposed “bias” against Israel amounts to nothing more than the UN holding Israel accountable,

This would be your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

and therefore such a claim is meaningless.

Your position is that opinion which don't match yours are 'meaningless'.
Yeah, figures you'd think that. Such hubris.
Just too bad that's not the reality.

The U.S. is pretty unequivocally subservient to Israel. It’s not even really debatable.

Again, that'd be your opinion.
Equally valid opinions are that its not.

Blind denial doesn’t change the facts

There is no such blind denial going on, except perhaps your resistance and refusal to accept the citations, and what they demonstrate.

Declarations of “Hamas propaganda” are worthless coming from a guy who thinks all Palestinian civilians are “terrorists”

After nearly 20 years of constant Hamas ideological indoctrination at every age, it is a reasonable opinion to hold.

Lets see the Palestinians throw Hamas out.
That's going to be difficult to do when many nations, as well as many international organizations work to keep Hamas in control over the Palestinians.
For any forward progress to be made here, the first stipulation needs to be that Hamas and Hamas sympathizers be removed, exiled from Palestine and the Palestinian people. Any reasonable person should be able to conclude this.

Yet none of those many nations and many international organizations refuse to take that reasonable position.

 

[Tigerace117]

This would be your opinion, and you are entitled to it.


Your position is that opinion which don't match yours are 'meaningless'.
Yeah, figures you'd think that. Such hubris.
Just too bad that's not the reality.


Again, that'd be your opinion.
Equally valid opinions are that its not.


There is no such blind denial going on, except perhaps your resistance and refusal to accept the citations, and what they demonstrate.


After nearly 20 years of constant Hamas ideological indoctrination at every age, it is a reasonable opinion to hold.

Nope, the facts make it pretty clear there’s no big conspiracy against Israel or whatever.

The reality is that Israel has committed borderline genocide in Gaza, and no amount of blind denial can change that.

Your “citations” are nothing more than Israeli apologists shrieking about how mean it is that the world doesn’t turn a blind eye to Israel’s violations of international law

Uh….no, it’s not, because there isn’t a shred of evidence to support your assertion that all Palestinians are “terrorists”

 

[eohrnberger]

Nope, the facts make it pretty clear there’s no big conspiracy against Israel or whatever.

The reality is that Israel has committed borderline genocide in Gaza, and no amount of blind denial can change that.

Your “citations” are nothing more than Israeli apologists shrieking about how mean it is that the world doesn’t turn a blind eye to Israel’s violations of international law

Uh….no, it’s not, because there isn’t a shred of evidence to support your assertion that all Palestinians are “terrorists”

You are exuding evermore hubris in the false claim that there's no evidence.
I described it quite correctly when I stated "Your position is that opinion which don't match yours are 'meaningless'."

How terrible for you that others have opinions and positions which are different than yours.
It just must be such a terrible burden for you to carry. </sarcasm>