Hey Martin Supporters... It's time you were educated and enlightened

[Medusa]

i heard there was pot in his system and that's what made him crayzzyyyyy!!

haha.................

 

[Middleground]

Explain how Zimmerman could "retreat" after having been knocked down, pinned to the ground and was still being beaten?

I don't know. Maybe if he wasn't such a *****, he could have outmuscled him. Or maybe, he should have just minded his own ****ing business. Either way, the gun gave him the advantage he needed.

 

[Middleground]

If Mother Jones said it, it must be right.

And stop feeding me straight lines for which I would be infracted.

Says the person who thanked the OP. :roll: :lol:

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't know. Maybe if he wasn't such a *****, he could have outmuscled him. Or maybe, he should have just minded his own ****ing business. Either way, the gun gave him the advantage he needed.

The moron that allegedly jumped an armed creepy ass cracker paid the ultimate price - social Darwinism at its finest.

You don't bring Skittles and an attitude to a gunfight twice.

 

[MaggieD]

Says the person who thanked the OP. :roll: :lol:

Well, I never heard of the guy before I read this thread. I thought his video was credible. Saw nothing in it that I hadn't read in other credible places.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[Middleground]

This is the same instructions basically for regular self defense...

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be

Attacked is a pretty broad word, don't you think? For instance, there's a pretty big difference between someone who brings their fists compared to someone who brings a knife or gun to the fight, no?

he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force

It was not force with force. A gun will always beat a fist.

including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Again, "reasonably believed" is a pretty damn broad term. What someone might think as life threatening, another might not. Zimmerman knew Martin did not have a gun or knife, so basically, he was just being a big ***** because he was being outmatched.

It had again little to do with the actual SYG law. Either way it still boiled down to self defense. Even if SYG was not around, since he could not retreat anyway, he could use lethal force to defend himself.

That would not happen here in Canada. No doubt Zimmerman would have been jailed according to our laws. He would have had to use reasonable force, and in this particular case, a gun would not have been considered reasonable.

 

[head of joaquin]

The moron that allegedly jumped an armed creepy ass cracker paid the ultimate price - social Darwinism at its finest.

You don't bring Skittles and an attitude to a gunfight twice.

Wasn't Zimmerman yowling like a stuck pig for help from 9-11 when an unarmed teen took him down? I can see why he's a conservative hero. He represents the wussiness that is the conservative psyche. Even with a gun the Zimmerman gun fetish types of the world are frightened almost to death by a black kid coming home from a grocery trip. That's the real lesson of this tragedy.

 

[Middleground]

The moron that allegedly jumped an armed creepy ass cracker paid the ultimate price - social Darwinism at its finest.

You don't bring Skittles and an attitude to a gunfight twice.

Should Martin had called Miss Cleo and get her take on whether he had a gun or not? Was it no concealed?

 

[Middleground]

Great. So, we've moved you from "no liver damage" to actually recognizing there is liver damage.

I love how you want to discount the most common cause, something we have evidence that Trayvon was involved in, to pick an unlikely cause.

But, that's up to you. At least you now realize there was actual liver damage.

Buck, there as no liver damage, as I had previously noted. None. Nada. Nope.

 

[Middleground]

News flash again, Zimmerman was not on patrol that night. He was going to the store.

But just for hecks sake lets say he was patroling (that night or some other night), what law is there against someone in a NW program carrying a gun? Oh thats right, there is none. Those "guidelines" that you quoted are just that, guidelines. They are not laws, no NW has to follow them.



There is a clear difference between saying "We don't need you to do that" (referenceing following TM) and "Do not follow him". Also when that was said Z was talking to the NEN ...NOT police dispatch and as such was under no obligation to follow the NEN's suggestion. Even though you can tell he did by the change in breathing on the very same call.

You forgot the "okay," LOL. They said don't do it and he said "okay."

 

[ttwtt78640]

Wasn't Zimmerman yowling like a stuck pig for help from 9-11 when an unarmed teen took him down? I can see why he's a conservative hero. He represents the wussiness that is the conservative psyche. Even with a gun the Zimmerman gun fetish types of the world are frightened almost to death by a black kid coming home from a grocery trip. That's the real lesson of this tragedy.

Unlike the brave heores in the hood that steal cars and ride up on their unsuspecting victims and blast away stiking anyone unfortunate enough to be in the area. BTW, Zimmerman was not a conservative, he was an Obama voter.

 

[ecofarm]

Like what for instance?

Say someone brings a gun to a fist fight. He claims that he felt endangered. Can person be protected under the guise of the SYG laws?

Aspects of Florida self defense law (called, collectively, SYG):

1. Fear of grave harm or death.
This is found in every self defense law in the US and was the basis of the case.

2. No retreat.
This is common, even in states without SYG.

3. No-arrest protocol.
This is largely unique to SYG and perhaps Florida.

4. Forcible felony (use of lethal force without fear).
This is largely unique to SYG and perhaps Florida.


The case was tried under clause #1, which is common to every state in the union.

While 2, 3 and 4 are part of Florida self defense law (called, in its entirety, SYG), they were not relevant to the case. In this way, SYG (the full body of Florida self defense, which includes 1, 2, 3 and 4) is not the issue at hand. The only issue at hand is 1, which was the specific defense and which is found in the self defense laws of every state.

SYG is like a book with many chapters, but only Chapter 1 (common to all states) was used in this case. Thereby, indicting the Florida-specific clauses (that were no part of the case) is rather nonsense. Those (SYG specific) clauses can, of course, be debated - but this case had nothing to do with them.

 

[buck]

Buck, there as no liver damage, as I had previously noted. None. Nada. Nope.

Fatty liver metamorphosis is part of a disease process. The fact that he has it does indicate liver damage.

You want to ignore the most common cause, which Is something we have evidence he engaged in and instead substitute something you feel better about.

But, that is certainly your prerogative.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Should Martin had called Miss Cleo and get her take on whether he had a gun or not? Was it no concealed?

Only a matter of time until a no_limit_nigga meets their match. According to the streetwise Rachel Jeantel "creepy ass cracka" means watchman or police officer, thus TM was double dumb knowing that and attacking anyway.

Patterico's Pontifications » Rachel Jeantel Tells Piers Morgan “Creepy Ass Cracka” Does Not Refer to a White Person, Morgan “Forgets” Her Courtroom Testimony to the Contrary

 

[Middleground]

Fatty liver metamorphosis is part of a disease process. The fact that he has it does indicate liver damage.

You want to ignore the most common cause, which Is something we have evidence he engaged in and instead substitute something you feel better about.

But, that is certainly your prerogative.

From the autopsy:





See liver? NO DIAGONOSTIC ABNORMALITY. Is that enough or do you want pictures?

 

[Josie]

l am surprised because you are regular participant in this forum

It wasn't evidence in the trial, Medusa.

 

[Caine]

l would still be defending teh victim even if he was white

but not many of you wouldnt defend zimmer...........

l wish l was wrong

I would still be defending the true "victim" (The one who had to defend himself) regardless of his race.

Im a supporter of the right to self-defense, which is what drew me into this case in the first place.

 

[Caine]

if someone follows you will not do anything ?

you will be labelled as ciriminal ?

l think self defense rules work only for whites

conservativism doesnt mean conserving prejudice

OMFG Are you kidding me?

1/3 of all Florida Stand Your Ground Defenses were BLACK people defending themselves.

1/3! Blacks aren't 1/3 of the Florida Population!!!

Quit ****ing jabbering off at the mouth without knowing anything...... Stick to politics in Turkey unless you take the time to learn about WTF is going on in the US

 

[head of joaquin]

Unlike the brave heores in the hood that steal cars and ride up on their unsuspecting victims and blast away stiking anyone unfortunate enough to be in the area. BTW, Zimmerman was not a conservative, he was an Obama voter.

So your claim now is that Martin stole cars like Issa?

Martin, just walking home from a store, confronted a weird little man who was following him with a gun who was playing cop and then squealed like a stuck pig to 9-11 when Martin got the better of the coward. So you think Zimmerman is the brave guy for shooting an unarmed teen walking home after stalking him and getting beat up by him?

Only in boomstickloverworld. By the way if Martin had a gun a shot him based on stand your ground, would you be celebrating his acquittal. Something tells me no.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

OMFG Are you kidding me?

1/3 of all Florida Stand Your Ground Defenses were BLACK people defending themselves.

1/3! Blacks aren't 1/3 of the Florida Population!!!

Quit ****ing jabbering off at the mouth without knowing anything...... Stick to politics in Turkey unless you take the time to learn about WTF is going on in the US

how many of those stand your ground defenses by blacks ended in acquittals?

 

[Mason66]

Like what for instance?

Say someone brings a gun to a fist fight. He claims that he felt endangered. Can person be protected under the guise of the SYG laws?

There is no such thing as a fist fight.

That is battery.

Why are you asking about a fist fight when that had nothing to do with this case?

 

[Caine]

how many of those stand your ground defenses by blacks ended in acquittals?

73% of Stand Your Ground Defense Claims by Black Floridians.

(And 68% of White Floridians are Successful, but that isn't the question nor my response to Medusa who claims only white people can defend themselves).

 

[ttwtt78640]

So your claim now is that Martin stole cars like Issa?

Martin, just walking home from a store, confronted a weird little man who was following him with a gun who was playing cop and then squealed like a stuck pig to 9-11 when Martin got the better of the coward. So you think Zimmerman is the brave guy for shooting an unarmed teen walking home after stalking him and getting beat up by him?

Only in boomstickloverworld. By the way if Martin had a gun a shot him based on stand your ground, would you be celebrating his acquittal. Something tells me no.

There are two major problems with your little what if situation. 1) Martin was not touched, as far as we know, by Zimmerman so he had no ground to stand and 2) Martin was 17 and thus could not legally carry a gun.

 

[buck]

From the autopsy:

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See liver? NO DIAGONOSTIC ABNORMALITY. Is that enough or do you want pictures?

That simply means that the damage/disease had not yet progressed to a point of resulting in a diagnosis - he was only 17 afterall.

It does not mean, as you seem to believe, that abnormal amounts of fat are not gathering in the liver which is damage.

 

[Black Dog]

Attacked is a pretty broad word, don't you think? For instance, there's a pretty big difference between someone who brings their fists compared to someone who brings a knife or gun to the fight, no?

In this case Zimmerman did not "bring" a weapon to any fight. According to the lie detector tests Zimmerman passed Martin initiated violence. Zimmerman was under no obligation to stand by and let it happen. So this does not really apply as no one Martin or Zimmerman, was bringing anything for a "fight" of any kind.

It was not force with force. A gun will always beat a fist.

Martin would have been charged with aggravated battery. It is a felony under the law because he pounded his head in the sidewalk. Zimmermans use of force was justified, period. It does not matter which "force" had the upper hand.

Again, "reasonably believed" is a pretty damn broad term. What someone might think as life threatening, another might not. Zimmerman knew Martin did not have a gun or knife, so basically, he was just being a big ***** because he was being outmatched.

How did Zimmerman know Martin had no weapon? He does not have ESP as far as I know.

No he shot someone who was doing great bodily damage. The jury found him not guilty for a reason. Had nothing to do with "being a *****." Many unarmed people have been shot in the commision of a crime and they are not *****s either. If a 6'2" in shape buff young adult attacked me I would damn well shot him and I am no *****. I would not care if he had a weapon or not.

That would not happen here in Canada. No doubt Zimmerman would have been jailed according to our laws. He would have had to use reasonable force, and in this particular case, a gun would not have been considered reasonable.

You need to get a license to have one, and you need to be registered with a hunting/shooting organization in Canada. You can't carry a weapon in self defence. So this would not have been the same either way unless George Zimmerman had an illegal weapon on him. So your scenario is a stretch.