James D Hill
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So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
Wha And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).
What makes me scared, as a German, is that so many "conservatives" embrace the right fringe that advocates secession of their states or who reject the union and its Constitution, just because they don't like Obama's healthcare program ("socialism" -- if they just knew what real socialism was). And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).
I find that hypocritical. If you think you need your guns to stand up against tyranny, they could have done sone when Bush introduced the "Patriot Act", extralegal renditions and denial of fair trials for mere suspects -- when Bush violated the most basic Western values. It's fundamental for a free country: Every suspect has to be considered innocent until the guilt is proven, and the only institution suited of determining guilt is an independent court. Instead, we got a fascist pseudo-legalism, according to which even prisoners who had been innocently brutalized in Gitmo can't claim compensation in front of American courts, because they rule that would "endanger national security".
As it is, an uncontrolled and unchecked executive agency can just play accuser, judge and hangman in the same person, and nobody cares. And Obama didn't change that.
If that's not tyrannic, I don't know what it. Certainly, that healthcare reform isn't, at all. So where were all these people standing up with their guns, toppling Bush's attempts at turning the government into a tyranny? I didn't see any. They were too busy waving the flag.
Hey, what happened after the Republicans were blamed for shutting down the government in 1995. Which part of Congress did they lose in 1996, the House or the Senate?
Don't worry. Your welfare,food stamps and other goodies will still be there for you.
Shut down the government for while? A big sequester. What a great idea. Let's shut it down completely and rebuild it from the ground up, analyzing everything it has been doing and dumping the stuff we don't want.
What on earth does that have to do with what I said. You just spout your partisan mantra at every opportunity whether it fits the thread or not. Get a grip.And the dem's will dominate for the next 20 years. Every conservative with half a brain knows that.
It cost them the senate in 98 and the Whitehouse in 96.
The GOP should absolutely NOT defund Obamacare. They should insist it go forward just as the democrats pass it. Once the mindless minions that support it get hit with their bill for forced healthcare and businesses continue their layoffs or transfers to part time schedules for their employees, people will be forced to see it for the **** sandwich the democrats fed them.
You DO know that this happened during the Clinton Administration and nothing really happened, don't you?
...probably not.
What on earth does that have to do with what I said. You just spout your partisan mantra at every opportunity whether it fits the thread or not. Get a grip.
It allowed the dem's to take back the house and Clinton to have a second term.
You're skirting the point that "shutting down the government" doesn't really "do" anything. It's a stunt. A cheap stunt to elicit emotional responses like yours. Congratulations on taking the bait, fish.
I would send a donation to every single GOPer in office if they did...
Useless argument. Only 11 senators have signed on to "shutting down"the government anyway. Rest assured that St.Washington will not be denied.
What makes me scared, as a German, is that so many "conservatives" embrace the right fringe that advocates secession of their states or who reject the union and its Constitution, just because they don't like Obama's healthcare program ("socialism" -- if they just knew what real socialism was). And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).
I find that hypocritical. If you think you need your guns to stand up against tyranny, they could have done sone when Bush introduced the "Patriot Act", extralegal renditions and denial of fair trials for mere suspects -- when Bush violated the most basic Western values. It's fundamental for a free country: Every suspect has to be considered innocent until the guilt is proven, and the only institution suited of determining guilt is an independent court. Instead, we got a fascist pseudo-legalism, according to which even prisoners who had been innocently brutalized in Gitmo can't claim compensation in front of American courts, because they rule that would "endanger national security".
As it is, an uncontrolled and unchecked executive agency can just play accuser, judge and hangman in the same person, and nobody cares. And Obama didn't change that.
If that's not tyrannic, I don't know what it. Certainly, that healthcare reform isn't, at all. So where were all these people standing up with their guns, toppling Bush's attempts at turning the government into a tyranny? I didn't see any. They were too busy waving the flag.
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