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Hey conservatives. Make our day. Shut down the government. [W:52]

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So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
 

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What makes me scared, as a German, is that so many "conservatives" embrace the right fringe that advocates secession of their states or who reject the union and its Constitution, just because they don't like Obama's healthcare program ("socialism" -- if they just knew what real socialism was). And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).

I find that hypocritical. If you think you need your guns to stand up against tyranny, they could have done sone when Bush introduced the "Patriot Act", extralegal renditions and denial of fair trials for mere suspects -- when Bush violated the most basic Western values. It's fundamental for a free country: Every suspect has to be considered innocent until the guilt is proven, and the only institution suited of determining guilt is an independent court. Instead, we got a fascist pseudo-legalism, according to which even prisoners who had been innocently brutalized in Gitmo can't claim compensation in front of American courts, because they rule that would "endanger national security".

As it is, an uncontrolled and unchecked executive agency can just play accuser, judge and hangman in the same person, and nobody cares. And Obama didn't change that.

If that's not tyrannic, I don't know what it. Certainly, that healthcare reform isn't, at all. So where were all these people standing up with their guns, toppling Bush's attempts at turning the government into a tyranny? I didn't see any. They were too busy waving the flag.
 

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So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
Don't worry. Your welfare,food stamps and other goodies will still be there for you.
 

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So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
You DO know that this happened during the Clinton Administration and nothing really happened, don't you?

...probably not.
 

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Shut down the government for while? A big sequester. What a great idea. Let's shut it down completely and rebuild it from the ground up, analyzing everything it has been doing and dumping the stuff we don't want.
 

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So every time we have this fight the conservatives look bad. Shutting down the government is a lose lose situation for conservatives and the level heads in the party have already warned against it. The far right element in the party is screaming to shut down the government to defund Obamacare but old people not getting their social security checks along with the military,the unemployed and anybody else who gets a check from the government. This always makes the conservatives look like the goons they are so quoting the great right winger Clint Eastwood "Make our day"
Hey, what happened after the Republicans were blamed for shutting down the government in 1995. Which part of Congress did they lose in 1996, the House or the Senate?
 

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How will we know when it is shut? Will they tell us? Or will it be a secret?
 

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Wha And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).
The "Southern Strategy" and who was it that coined the term and helped write the "Southern Strategy" ?

BTW: Conservatives are not neoconservatives. Neoconservatives are liberal political refuges from the Democrat Party who came under the GOP tent during the 1970's.

Excerpts:

>"...Now, as a co-architect of the Nixon strategy that gave the GOP a lock on the White House for a quarter century, let me say that Kristol’s opportunism is matched only by his ignorance. Richard Nixon kicked off his historic comeback in 1966 with a column on the South (by this writer) that declared we would build our Republican Party on a foundation of states rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense, and leave it to the “party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.”

In that ’66 campaign, Nixon – who had been thanked personally by Dr. King for his help in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1957 – endorsed all Republicans, except members of the John Birch Society.

In 1968, Nixon chose Spiro Agnew for vice president. Why? Agnew had routed George (“Your home is your castle!”) Mahoney for governor of Maryland but had also criticized civil-rights leaders who failed to condemn the riots that erupted after the assassination of King. The Agnew of 1968 was both pro-civil rights and pro-law and order.

When the ’68 campaign began, Nixon was at 42 percent, Humphrey at 29 percent, Wallace at 22 percent. When it ended, Nixon and Humphrey were tied at 43 percent, with Wallace at 13 percent. The 9 percent of the national vote that had been peeled off from Wallace had gone to Humphrey.

Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand:

* raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent;

* doubled the budget for black colleges;

* appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions
than any president, including LBJ;

* adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks
in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and
universities;

* invented “Black Capitalism” (the Office of Minority Business
Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses
from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business
loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits
in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent;

* raised the share of Southern schools that were
desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, “It has only been
since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation
has taken place in the South.”

The charge that we built our Republican coalition on race is a lie. Nixon routed the left because it had shown itself incompetent to win or end a war into which it had plunged the United States and too befuddled or cowardly to denounce the rioters burning our cities or the brats rampaging on our campuses..."<

>"And where were the necons, when Goldwaterites and Nixonites were building the New Majority? Going all the way with LBJ."<

The entire article -> The Neocons and Nixon's Southern Strategy - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website
 

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What makes me scared, as a German, is that so many "conservatives" embrace the right fringe that advocates secession of their states or who reject the union and its Constitution, just because they don't like Obama's healthcare program ("socialism" -- if they just knew what real socialism was). And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).

I find that hypocritical. If you think you need your guns to stand up against tyranny, they could have done sone when Bush introduced the "Patriot Act", extralegal renditions and denial of fair trials for mere suspects -- when Bush violated the most basic Western values. It's fundamental for a free country: Every suspect has to be considered innocent until the guilt is proven, and the only institution suited of determining guilt is an independent court. Instead, we got a fascist pseudo-legalism, according to which even prisoners who had been innocently brutalized in Gitmo can't claim compensation in front of American courts, because they rule that would "endanger national security".

As it is, an uncontrolled and unchecked executive agency can just play accuser, judge and hangman in the same person, and nobody cares. And Obama didn't change that.

If that's not tyrannic, I don't know what it. Certainly, that healthcare reform isn't, at all. So where were all these people standing up with their guns, toppling Bush's attempts at turning the government into a tyranny? I didn't see any. They were too busy waving the flag.
Yeah the right lost their great Satan communism so they try to tag that label on any entitlement they don't like. If we where communist we would be sending conservatives to Alaska to dig up the tundra.
 

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Hey, what happened after the Republicans were blamed for shutting down the government in 1995. Which part of Congress did they lose in 1996, the House or the Senate?
It cost them the senate in 98 and the Whitehouse in 96.
 

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Don't worry. Your welfare,food stamps and other goodies will still be there for you.
First of all I have worked for most of my life my friend. I have made great money and not so great money. Funny you conservatives are not such tightwads when it comes to corporate welfare or military spending. I guuss I am right. Conservatives hate the poor and their actions prove it.
 

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Shut down the government for while? A big sequester. What a great idea. Let's shut it down completely and rebuild it from the ground up, analyzing everything it has been doing and dumping the stuff we don't want.
And the dem's will dominate for the next 20 years. Every conservative with half a brain knows that.
 

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And the dem's will dominate for the next 20 years. Every conservative with half a brain knows that.
What on earth does that have to do with what I said. You just spout your partisan mantra at every opportunity whether it fits the thread or not. Get a grip.
 

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It cost them the senate in 98 and the Whitehouse in 96.
The Senate result was 55-R, 45-D. As for the Presidential election, is it your position that Bobdole would have defeated Clinton save the shutdown?
 

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The GOP should absolutely NOT defund Obamacare. They should insist it go forward just as the democrats pass it. Once the mindless minions that support it get hit with their bill for forced healthcare and businesses continue their layoffs or transfers to part time schedules for their employees, people will be forced to see it for the **** sandwich the democrats fed them.
 

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The GOP should absolutely NOT defund Obamacare. They should insist it go forward just as the democrats pass it. Once the mindless minions that support it get hit with their bill for forced healthcare and businesses continue their layoffs or transfers to part time schedules for their employees, people will be forced to see it for the **** sandwich the democrats fed them.
I think there's a lot to be said for this position.
 

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You DO know that this happened during the Clinton Administration and nothing really happened, don't you?

...probably not.
It allowed the dem's to take back the house and Clinton to have a second term.
 

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What on earth does that have to do with what I said. You just spout your partisan mantra at every opportunity whether it fits the thread or not. Get a grip.
Why not?
 

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It allowed the dem's to take back the house and Clinton to have a second term.
You're skirting the point that "shutting down the government" doesn't really "do" anything. It's a stunt. A cheap stunt to elicit emotional responses like yours. Congratulations on taking the bait, fish.
 

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I would send a donation to every single GOPer in office if they did...
 

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You're skirting the point that "shutting down the government" doesn't really "do" anything. It's a stunt. A cheap stunt to elicit emotional responses like yours. Congratulations on taking the bait, fish.
I Like fish. You can;'t tell me shutting down the government was good for the GOP. You are a mean redneck but for the most part you are not stupid. Newt himself said is was a bad idea so what more do you want. Oh by the way Pink Floyd,Yes and the Beatles where light years better that Elvis. Elvis was a good singer.
 

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Useless argument. Only 11 senators have signed on to "shutting down"the government anyway. Rest assured that St.Washington will not be denied.
 

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It was 14 before Cornyn backpedaled.
Useless argument. Only 11 senators have signed on to "shutting down"the government anyway. Rest assured that St.Washington will not be denied.
 

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What makes me scared, as a German, is that so many "conservatives" embrace the right fringe that advocates secession of their states or who reject the union and its Constitution, just because they don't like Obama's healthcare program ("socialism" -- if they just knew what real socialism was). And since the days of the "Southern Strategy", the GOP obviously panders to the racist and xenophobic elements among the white populace (and no, I don't think there is a fundamental different reason for blacks and hispanics dominantly voting for the Dems than just that).

I find that hypocritical. If you think you need your guns to stand up against tyranny, they could have done sone when Bush introduced the "Patriot Act", extralegal renditions and denial of fair trials for mere suspects -- when Bush violated the most basic Western values. It's fundamental for a free country: Every suspect has to be considered innocent until the guilt is proven, and the only institution suited of determining guilt is an independent court. Instead, we got a fascist pseudo-legalism, according to which even prisoners who had been innocently brutalized in Gitmo can't claim compensation in front of American courts, because they rule that would "endanger national security".

As it is, an uncontrolled and unchecked executive agency can just play accuser, judge and hangman in the same person, and nobody cares. And Obama didn't change that.

If that's not tyrannic, I don't know what it. Certainly, that healthcare reform isn't, at all. So where were all these people standing up with their guns, toppling Bush's attempts at turning the government into a tyranny? I didn't see any. They were too busy waving the flag.
I deplored BOTH Bush presidents. So did other patriots.

I think republicans AND democrats are big government, big spenders, and constitution trashers.
 
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