Health care summit (1 Viewer)

[LiberalAvenger]

The health care summit is starting as I type.

It ought to be interesting.:hitsfan:

 

[Objective Voice]

I'm watching it online on C-SPAN.org. It's been rather interesting.

Reps (Sen. McConnel) started off right off the bat insisting on the Dems not using reconsilitation to pass health care reform legistlation. Though no one including the Pres. on the Dems side hasn't said so directly, I think they've made it clear they're not willing to relinquish this legistlative tool as long as Reps continue to stonewall. Can't say I blame them.

Overall, I really haven't seen much on the side of Reps that they've offered that hasn't already been including in some way or another in the proposed Dem legistlation.

 

[American]

The 2010 Healthcare Summit

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Looks to me like Obama knows this summit is a joke, and is planning his Ram-it-through process for next week. The Republicans are bringing it too, like wasn't expected, merely by reading from the bill. It's not even their own stuff, they are clocking Obama with his (and Pelosi/Reid) own bill. Obama makes a good show of it, but make not mistake he's getting it good considering they still have to treat him like the president while politely putting a stick in his eye.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Obama is really irritating me, he seems to not really be listening to the repubs, and the side whisperings in his ears are for what?

 

[Objective Voice]

He's listening...he's just not willing to continuously allow speakers on either side to keep going over the same issues over and over and over again. For example, the issue of increased cost of health insurance premiums due to setting a standard on basic coverage for all was discussed by atleast 3 representatives particularly on the Republican side - twice after the Pres. had already outlined his perspective on this matter as mentioned in the CBO. So, it's not like he's not letting the Republicans voice their concerns; he just won't allow anyone to continue to (spend too much time) rehash(ing) items that have already been discussed (although he has said if members would like to come back to some things that have already been addressed to expand on them, he'd allow it).

 

[LiberalAvenger]

The republicans started off saying that the filabuster is necessary to prevent abuses by the majority. Then, they went on to say that recent polls have shown that the majority does not want health care reform.

The republicans can't seem to make up their minds about anything except to say no to any proposal that is presented by the ones who came to power in the last elections.


They can't have it both ways.

 

[Objective Voice]

Totally agree, LibAvgr.

But to be fair, I have heard a few good ideas from Republicans here, i.e., "secret patients" along the same lines as "secret shoppers" to ensure insurance companies aren't trying to cheat their customers, opening up state-lines to broaden access, and a few other things that I'd have to go back and review before commenting further. So far, it's been a pretty good summit, IMO.

 

[Boo Radley]

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While I'm sure your unbiased eye is seeing it just as it is, I think I'll seek a second opinion later.

 

[Jelly Bean]

He's listening...he's just not willing to continuously allow speakers on either side to keep going over the same issues over and over and over again. For example, the issue of increased cost of health insurance premiums due to setting a standard on basic coverage for all was discussed by atleast 3 representatives particularly on the Republican side - twice after the Pres. had already outlined his perspective on this matter as mentioned in the CBO.

Not what John said, do you KNOW what he said?

 

[Objective Voice]

I wasn't trying to make a direct quote from anyone in particular. That was one issues I overheard and used as a sample of the types of issues being addressed. There's ALOT of information, ideas, opinions, etc, being voiced during this summit. If I've misquoted someone, I do apologize, but that is the essense of what was discussed on that particular matter as I understood it. But again, as I said I'll have to go back and watch the recording in its entirety later, take better notes and then come back to ping on specific points and counter points.

Regardless, I'll stress again it's been a very good summit meeting thus far.

 

[American]

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The time division is very fair too; the Dems have gotten 74 min and the Reps 37 min, and Obama unlimited since he's the Prez.

 

[LiberalAvenger]

Eddie Cantor was making whoppee! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANRPmTZRqkg"]YouTube- Eddie Cantor- Makin' Whoopee[/ame] Here he comes diddy boppin into the summit with the two thousand plus health care plan. First of all it should be at least two thaousand pages long. You are talking about one big mother of a bill. It's what anyone would expect.

Then, Congressman Eddie [from my home state of virginia, I'm ashamed to say] says that "we can not afford it{". But, wait! We can't afford a ****ing war either so what difference does it make because republicans are never going to vote for taxes to pay for it anyway. We can''t afford to over pay congressmen, either. They also get outrageous pension and health care plans, too. If we can afford it for them then they can afford it for us.

The medicare fraud part was interesting and I would like to see this part carfully investigated by a congressional panel and law enforcement except that it is a white collar crime and they are not pursued like blue collar crimes.

Once again McCain showed his true ass. He is still in denial about the election as well as most republicans who some how think they won.

 

[Deuce]

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The time division is very fair too; the Dems have gotten 74 min and the Reps 37 min, and Obama unlimited since he's the Prez.

The GOP position will take less than a second.

"No."

Edit: Oh god Grassley is speaking. The guy who publicly stated that he didn't read HR3200 but would vote against it anyway. Why is he allowed to even comment on this process?

 

[Boo Radley]

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The GOP position will take less than a second.

"No."

Edit: Oh god Grassley is speaking. The guy who publicly stated that he didn't read HR3200 but would vote against it anyway. Why is he allowed to even comment on this process?

As someone who voted Grassley, I've been very disappointed.

 

[Deuce]

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Boehner with the "government takeover of healthcare" line.

Dude. Forced to buy from private companies.

edit: Oh god he's outright lying about the bill.

 

[Objective Voice]

But did you notice how once the Pres. agreed with him on his points that medical benefits to the elderly in FL should also apply to all elderly across the country Sen. McCain shut up quick! He didn't have any other argument.

And then you have Sen. Boener; it was very obvious he came with his pre-arranged speech filled with "talking points" when the discussion at that point was on how health care reform measures could reduce the deficit. Respectfully, the Pres. shut him up and moved on. It wasn't that he didn't want to hear what Boener had to say. He just didn't want him to use the summit as his personal political soap box.

McCain's talking again...this time on medical malpractise.

 

[Ockham]

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Glad the polls nailed this one ... kabuki theater. Obama and liberals won't let go of their precious mandates, new bureaucracy and entitlements, Republicans won't let go of the ideas they've had for the past year which are tort reform, purchase across state lines, and less mandates and federal involvement. What I found funny was Democrats telling Republicans all day.. oh you want "A", well we have "B" which is almost the same as your "A" so you should like "B"... so we're REALLY REALLY close to agreement on this. Horse**** never stunk so bad.

 

[Objective Voice]

Here's something I find very interesting as I watch this summit. For the most part as Dems speak their primary concern is providing health care to the people. The majority of their arguments have focused strictly on providing better and fair health care coverage to the American people. They're concerned about the costs, too, on the people and on the government's budget, but it seems that Republicans care more about the cost to businesses and taxpayers than on their everyday living expenses.

That's the real difference between one side over the other.

 

[Deuce]

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Glad the polls nailed this one ... kabuki theater. Obama and liberals won't let go of their precious mandates, new bureaucracy and entitlements, Republicans won't let go of the ideas they've had for the past year which are tort reform, purchase across state lines, and less mandates and federal involvement. What I found funny was Democrats telling Republicans all day.. oh you want "A", well we have "B" which is almost the same as your "A" so you should like "B"... so we're REALLY REALLY close to agreement on this. Horse**** never stunk so bad.

The Democratic Party has the majority and the option of using reconciliation. If the GOP wants some of its agenda on the table they have to be willing to accept some of the Democratic Party's agenda. Guess what, you guys got outvoted. You aren't going to get everything you want and not give the other side anything they want. It's not going to happen.

 

[Objective Voice]

Finally, somebody finally set the record straight on these medical savings plans. Yes, they are good plans...if you can afford them. I would love to buy into one; my job offers them, but there's just no way I can afford to buy into one on my salary. So, the Pres. is right in that regard. Such programs are very good, but the only people who care truly afford them are those with disposable income. People who are doing everything they can to keep food on the table, etc., can't afford to set aside the kind of money this plans cost.

 

[ptif219]

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The Democratic Party has the majority and the option of using reconciliation. If the GOP wants some of its agenda on the table they have to be willing to accept some of the Democratic Party's agenda. Guess what, you guys got outvoted. You aren't going to get everything you want and not give the other side anything they want. It's not going to happen.

Of course we all Know that if all agree with Obama that is bi partisan.

 

[Deuce]

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Of course we all Know that if all agree with Obama that is bi partisan.

You can't change the fact that the GOP would get more of what they want if they were willing to cough up votes for it. Instead, they haven't offered a single vote so there just isn't a reason to give them what they want.

 

[gopman]

The republicans started off saying that the filabuster is necessary to prevent abuses by the majority. Then, they went on to say that recent polls have shown that the majority does not want health care reform.

The republicans can't seem to make up their minds about anything except to say no to any proposal that is presented by the ones who came to power in the last elections.


They can't have it both ways.

That makes perfect sense. The majority of the Senate is WAY out of line with the majority of Americans. Only 35% approved of the bill they were going to pass. The Republicans appropriately used the filibuster to block it.

 

[Gina]

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You can't change the fact that the GOP would get more of what they want if they were willing to cough up votes for it. Instead, they haven't offered a single vote so there just isn't a reason to give them what they want.

They seem not to understand, elections have consequences and they lost. They can no longer demand their way or the highway. *sigh*


If one more of them says: "We need to scrap this and start over", I'm going to throw my laptop. :mrgreen:

 

[Objective Voice]

That makes perfect sense. The majority of the Senate is WAY out of line with the majority of Americans. Only 35% approved of the bill they were going to pass. The Republicans appropriately used the filibuster to block it.

What you said doesn't make sense. If the Senate is out of line with the majority of Americans, why then was it appropriate for them to use the filibuster to block health care reform? I would think they'd pass legistlation the people wanted.