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Hatred Of Liberals Is All That's Left Of Conservatism

More psychological projection from Paradoxical.
Proving my point that even with my claim of psychological projection, you project that onto the other person.

Very weirs malady. Especially coming from the side that was guilty of collusion alleged it for over 3 years,and the party that engaged in 24/7 hate speech accuses the OTHER side of being hateful.

Spellbinding, really.
 
I'm not in your shoes but I'm having sort of a similar problem.

What exactly is the republican platform? What are they for? I have no idea besides "not a libtard".

I use to believe in the GOP platform before but now I feel even that was just an illusion for them to get elected.
I don't even know what a platform is. They are a total and complete waste of time. Every nominee or president seems to have a "platform" that doesn't match exactly with their party's "platform".
 
So why did segregation take place? If you claim a “biased assumption”, then correct It. And the alternative to segregation is integration, like Brown vs Topeka and the civil rights legislation of the 69s.

Segregation is such a complicated issue. The biggest problem I see in explaining it is that so many posters and people want to hold humanity of eons ago to the same standard we have today, We have socially evolved. We have financial safety nets. Very few in this country starve, and if they do, it's only because they are unable to take advantage of all the government programs and general kindness of volunteers. We as a nation are broadly and vastly better educated in terms of the general population. So, for openers. we can afford to be more cerebral and kinder, akin to the way a very select few educated men were in prior times. Our collective minds are more open. We have the luxury of being more inclusive because life is less of a struggle and that's true of most of the western world. But that wasn't always the situation.

There was no welfare a hundred years ago. If you went belly up financially, you were dependent on the community for hand outs. Homelessness was an accepted condition. People lived precarious lives with very little to help them if they faltered physically. Life expectancy was limited until WW II, when the first antibiotic was introduced. That was less than a hundred years ago. I could go on but I simply want to set the stage as to why people were so cloistered and so wary until recent times. And cloistered and wary are two KEY components of tribalism.

So, I'll start there and see if you want to continue. Thanks!!
 
Actually, it is Trump who will continue to stir up the hatred of his ignorant deplorable base towards the honest and decent Americans who voted him out of office.
Another post proving my point. Thanks.
 
Overly broad. It's all that's left of The Republican Party but plenty of rational sane conservatives still exist.
It's just that most of them already were either drummed out of the party or they have left in disgust.
Pretty much. The Republican Party is no longer conservative. It's fascist.
 
It’s all facts whether you care to admit it or not. Do you consider Mitt Romney to be a RINO? Most of your fellow right-wingers certainly do. Do you watch Hannity and Tucker to know what to “think”? Most of your fellow right wingers do. Do you believe all of Trump’s lies about a “rigged election? Do you think that the COVID crisis is overblown? Do you think that manmade climate change is a hoax? Most of your fellow right-wingers do. Yes, I forgot to mention in my original post that pure stupidity has infected the Republican Party. Does that make you proud?
Got news for you. Must of what you said is just flat out wrong. Just as their are Bernie Sanders far left whackos, so to do we have far right wing whackos. Both of those sides are in the minority, not the majority. Most on the right do not bow down to Hannity or Tucker. Most on the right do not believe the election was rigged. Most on the right do not believe the Covid crisis is overblown. Most on the right do not believe climate change is a hoax. It is people like you who are so narrow minded you think these people are in the majority.
 
Talk about baseless speculation without a foundation:
"a considerable population that would have otherwise shed its past because of a positive outcome and inclusion"
on what planet? In what universe? This is not the reality we are contending with, nor are we emulating China or any other repressive regime (yet another element of the deception plan). You know where the term "unreconstructed" came from? That is the model you are proposing.

In South Africa, to recover from Apartheid, they established a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission." Lincoln had a similar concept in mind at the end of the Civil War. It is based upon the confessional model of Christianity. To gain redemption, one must confess their sins. You are instead suggesting a shortcut: forget the truth part, forget the confession, forget the repentance - let's just skip to the forgiveness and let me keep on playing part. That's not how it works. That's never how it works. That was the failure of Johnson, not his success.
 
Antiwar, according to all my pro-Trump friends, every Republican president before 2016 had the most scandalous administration in American history.
I thought Obama had that honor. ( 😁)
 
The "context" is that the Republican Party has abandoned all of its ideals. Even long-standing Republicans like Frank Lutz know that there is no "consistent philosophy" left to the GOP now.

I linked the article. It would have taken very little effort on your part to read it. Instead, you just reject it out of hand.
It's called "an inconvenient truth."
 
That unarmed non-combative couple is dangerously close to the shot heard round the world.
When such a "shot" comes, and it will, we will all know it's time to act.
The Proud Boys will still be expecting "Antifa" but they will meet "We the People".

And some of us aint so nice...

When I get hit, I hit back, only harder...
 
LOL @ "viable third party".
In the United States we have never HAD a viable third party.
That's not actually true. Unless, of course, you mean ascendant. A quick philosophical digression....

There have always been opposing factions. The parties we have today are not the parties of even 60 years ago - although the names have not changed. We've had Whigs, Democratic-Republicans, "know nothings" (American party), Reform party... and whatever George Wallace was. They each had influence over the direction of politics, even if they didn't achieve elective office. I think we, collectively, too readily dismiss "third parties" as entities - Greens, Libertarians, TEA, etc. - because they don't gain offices. But, they do have tremendous impact on the discussions/decisions of the day. FDR adopted the programs of the Socialists nearly completely (modified for his capitalist sensibilities). Theodore Roosevelt's Bull Moose party presaged the existence of "Rockerfeller Republicanism", George Wallace paved the way for the TEA party and Trumpism. Today's Republicans reflect their influence and house most of the Libertarians, and Democrats the influence of Progressives, Greens and Democratic Socialists, all in "watered-down" forms - but their ideas have had salience and, thus, "viability."

....End of digression.
 
Talk about baseless speculation without a foundation:eek:n what planet? In what universe? This is not the reality we are contending with, nor are we emulating China or any other repressive regime (yet another element of the deception plan). You know where the term "unreconstructed" came from? That is the model you are proposing.

In South Africa, to recover from Apartheid, they established a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission." Lincoln had a similar concept in mind at the end of the Civil War. It is based upon the confessional model of Christianity. To gain redemption, one must confess their sins. You are instead suggesting a shortcut: forget the truth part, forget the confession, forget the repentance - let's just skip to the forgiveness and let me keep on playing part. That's not how it works. That's never how it works. That was the failure of Johnson, not his success.

We are not emulating China. I never said we WERE, and I wish you would be kind enough to read my posts in their entirety without a jaundiced view or knee jerk reaction. Btw, South Africa has her problems, particularly when it comes to "reverse" - if you want to call it that - racism. But South Africa has and had a very different situation than post Civil War USA.

I suppose philosophically you would insist any defeated to admit they are wrong, show contrition, on a certain level grovel for forgiveness and keep a low profile. Well guess what. That's exactly the tact Europe took post WWI and, in conjunction with Europe's exacting punitive reparations, Hitler happened. And he darn near conquered Europe. So after WW II, thankfully, more level heads prevailed and supported the reconstruction efforts of Germany and stopped reminding them of the past so they could look AHEAD. Nobody - except a failed attempt by Stalin - tried to rob the German people of their identity. Pride is probably the second most important psychological pillar to which a human relies, which is why - when it is destroyed - it gives way to atrocities. We NEVER want to leave people physically OR psychologically with nothing to lose, especially when they make up thirty five percent or more of the population. But we did leave the South in rubble, and we didn't do much to fix it. Our only saving grace was the restoration of citizenry that Lincoln's predecessor wisely bestowed.

We disagree that Johnson failed. He did not fail. It was his action that continued to strengthen black pride that in turn resulted in black activism on a level never seen before in this nation. Thanks!!
 
Huh....so this is how impotence is going to be manifested by Trump supporters, huh? :)

And here I thought "Liberal tears" were bad.

What a shameful and utterly irrelevant legacy. Enjoy your temper tantrum. Nobody else gives a shit.
The irony and pity is thinking that they ever did. It is particularly amusing to pretend that this is a "change of heart" as if none of us never noticed before.
 
Got news for you. Must of what you said is just flat out wrong. Just as their are Bernie Sanders far left whackos, so to do we have far right wing whackos. Both of those sides are in the minority, not the majority. Most on the right do not bow down to Hannity or Tucker. Most on the right do not believe the election was rigged. Most on the right do not believe the Covid crisis is overblown. Most on the right do not believe climate change is a hoax. It is people like you who are so narrow minded you think these people are in the majority.
I pretty much agree with each of those points but that does beg the question then why so many millions on the right still voted for Trump since he does/did believe each of those things. And not minor things. I was convinced, primarily based upon your points above that this election would be an absolute blow out for Biden. Obviously it was not despite an impressive margin.
 
I pretty much agree with each of those points but that does beg the question then why so many millions on the right still voted for Trump since he does/did believe each of those things. And not minor things. I was convinced, primarily based upon your points above that this election would be an absolute blow out for Biden. Obviously it was not despite an impressive margin.
That's an easy question. No matter how detesting Trump is, liberal policies are not what conservatives want. I'm in your category. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. But, I didn't want Hillary either. I did vote for Trump this time around because Democrats have moved even further left than they were before. I don't want liberal policies running America.
 
That's an easy question. No matter how detesting Trump is, liberal policies are not what conservatives want. I'm in your category. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. But, I didn't want Hillary either. I did vote for Trump this time around because Democrats have moved even further left than they were before. I don't want liberal policies running America.
Pfft, if someone had "liberal policies" but wore an R, then Republicans by and large would support them. It's not the policies that drive people, it's the R or D, generally.
Biden isn't moving "further left", he used rhetoric to try to console the side of the DNC moving further left, but Biden is status quo Republocrat and that's going to be what the next 4 years is going to be about.
 
We are not emulating China. I never said we WERE, and I wish you would be kind enough to read my posts in their entirety without a jaundiced view or knee jerk reaction. Btw, South Africa has her problems, particularly when it comes to "reverse" - if you want to call it that - racism. But South Africa has and had a very different situation than post Civil War USA.

I suppose philosophically you would insist any defeated to admit they are wrong, show contrition, on a certain level grovel for forgiveness and keep a low profile. Well guess what. That's exactly the tact Europe took post WWI and, in conjunction with Europe's exacting punitive reparations, Hitler happened. And he darn near conquered Europe. So after WW II, thankfully, more level heads prevailed and supported the reconstruction efforts of Germany and stopped reminding them of the past so they could look AHEAD. Nobody - except a failed attempt by Stalin - tried to rob the German people of their identity. Pride is probably the second most important psychological pillar to which a human relies, which is why - when it is destroyed - it gives way to atrocities. We NEVER want to leave people physically OR psychologically with nothing to lose, especially when they make up thirty five percent or more of the population. But we did leave the South in rubble, and we didn't do much to fix it. Our only saving grace was the restoration of citizenry that Lincoln's predecessor wisely bestowed.

We disagree that Johnson failed. He did not fail. It was his action that continued to strengthen black pride that in turn resulted in black activism on a level never seen before in this nation. Thanks!!
What I find so infuriating is your misprison of history, casual dismissal of your previous statements, and manipulative pusillanimity - oh and your willingness to deliberately misstate other peoples' positions. It's amusing, in one sense, to see how well you think you are disguising your doctrinaire positions. But, I call "bullshit". I do read your posts, but they are ephemeral and insubstantial and don't hide the underlying intent all that well.

YOU intimated that "we" (whomever that was intended to imply) were going to down the path of Chinese Communists... (" you are setting the same stage that Mao Zedong set when he established the Communist party in 1949") which is entirely bullshit and is an equivalency argument. You deliberately sandwiched "guilt tripping" between "brutality" and "torture". Your argument that "the only hope we have have is to make allowances, forgive, accept" only applies to your side, conveniently. You minimize the ongoing misbehavior and want to use that to push the camel's nose under the tent to further your philosophical viewpoint, but are, in fact, continuing to engage (ever so subtly) in the very behavior you are attempting to chastise. Why is is only progressive ideas are dangerous? How is it that only conservative repressive behaviors needs to be "accepted" and given "allowance"? How is it that you conveniently elided the denazification process that allowed the rebirth of modern Germany with the aid of the United States after WWII? How is it that Johnson succeeded when his actions entrenched de jure suppression and disenfranchisement of blacks throughout the South? Your "version" of history conveniently leaves out the important parts.

I am not some "knee jerk partisan", as you so eloquently and inelegantly assert (frequently), rather I am a realist who sees what's underneath the rhetoric, and I recognize it for what it is.
 
Segregation is such a complicated issue. The biggest problem I see in explaining it is that so many posters and people want to hold humanity of eons ago to the same standard we have today, We have socially evolved. We have financial safety nets. Very few in this country starve, and if they do, it's only because they are unable to take advantage of all the government programs and general kindness of volunteers. We as a nation are broadly and vastly better educated in terms of the general population. So, for openers. we can afford to be more cerebral and kinder, akin to the way a very select few educated men were in prior times. Our collective minds are more open. We have the luxury of being more inclusive because life is less of a struggle and that's true of most of the western world. But that wasn't always the situation.

There was no welfare a hundred years ago. If you went belly up financially, you were dependent on the community for hand outs. Homelessness was an accepted condition. People lived precarious lives with very little to help them if they faltered physically. Life expectancy was limited until WW II, when the first antibiotic was introduced. That was less than a hundred years ago. I could go on but I simply want to set the stage as to why people were so cloistered and so wary until recent times. And cloistered and wary are two KEY components of tribalism.

So, I'll start there and see if you want to continue. Thanks!!

The issue in regards to the United States is clearly the forced segregation of blacks by whites in the century after the Civil War, and you haven’t said a thing about that yet.
 
Truth be told, there is little other than outright insanity left of Conservatism. Trump was the trojan horse.. Now their whole party is as batshit crazy as the Trumpster Fires.
 
Got news for you. Must of what you said is just flat out wrong. Just as their are Bernie Sanders far left whackos, so to do we have far right wing whackos. Both of those sides are in the minority, not the majority. Most on the right do not bow down to Hannity or Tucker. Most on the right do not believe the election was rigged. Most on the right do not believe the Covid crisis is overblown. Most on the right do not believe climate change is a hoax. It is people like you who are so narrow minded you think these people are in the majority.

You clearly have not looked up the polls. It would take you less than five minutes to see that all of those claims that I made are correct. When I have the time, I will do so for you since you don’t seem to want to know the truth.
 
Got news for you. Must of what you said is just flat out wrong. Just as their are Bernie Sanders far left whackos, so to do we have far right wing whackos. Both of those sides are in the minority, not the majority. Most on the right do not bow down to Hannity or Tucker. Most on the right do not believe the election was rigged. Most on the right do not believe the Covid crisis is overblown. Most on the right do not believe climate change is a hoax. It is people like you who are so narrow minded you think these people are in the majority.
Id love to think what you wrote is the case and it’s just a minority of the Republican party...but all the stuff you’ve listed above are take up across the country by various people in power. Not just a random house Republicans in a +29 republican district but AG’s, governors, ranking members of the House, the White House and current President etc etc.
 
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Owning the libs is all the right cares about. Wait until next mid term and just listen to the vile poisonous hatred the right candidates spit out to their base. You'll hear the usual god, guns, abortion and country from them but the vast majority of their time will be spent demonizing the dreaded libs.
Mid terms are going to be rough on democrats.

By then there will likely be double-digit inflation. Working-class and middle-class people will be hurting, and their votes will reflect that.
 
What I find so infuriating is your misprison of history, casual dismissal of your previous statements, and manipulative pusillanimity - oh and your willingness to deliberately misstate other peoples' positions. It's amusing, in one sense, to see how well you think you are disguising your doctrinaire positions. But, I call "bullshit". I do read your posts, but they are ephemeral and insubstantial and don't hide the underlying intent all that well.

YOU intimated that "we" (whomever that was intended to imply) were going to down the path of Chinese Communists... (" you are setting the same stage that Mao Zedong set when he established the Communist party in 1949") which is entirely bullshit and is an equivalency argument.

Read the post. I know exactly what I said. HERE IT IS. By hanging Lee, and yet forcing Southerners into submission as a part of a nation they didn't want to be a part of to begin with, you are setting the same stage that Mao Zedong set when he established the Communist party in 1949. Now perhaps you can't see the connection, but regardless of what party, what country, what stage, what conflict, the end result is the same. Government violence against the public requires incessant and vigilant oppression in the future because the enemy - which is a considerable population that would have otherwise shed its past because of a positive outcome and inclusion - is by default now seething.

WE DIDN'T HANG LEE!! REMEMBER?? YOU'RE NOT READING!! Obviously, we're not going down the Chinese path if we didn't hang Lee which I made abundantly clear!!


You deliberately sandwiched "guilt tripping" between "brutality" and "torture". Your argument that "the only hope we have have is to make allowances, forgive, accept" only applies to your side, conveniently. You minimize the ongoing misbehavior and want to use that to push the camel's nose under the tent to further your philosophical viewpoint, but are, in fact, continuing to engage (ever so subtly) in the very behavior you are attempting to chastise. Why is is only progressive ideas are dangerous? How is it that only conservative repressive behaviors needs to be "accepted" and given "allowance"? How is it that you conveniently elided the denazification process that allowed the rebirth of modern Germany with the aid of the United States after WWII? How is it that Johnson succeeded when his actions entrenched de jure suppression and disenfranchisement of blacks throughout the South? Your "version" of history conveniently leaves out the important parts.

I am not some "knee jerk partisan", as you so eloquently and inelegantly assert (frequently), rather I am a realist who sees what's underneath the rhetoric, and I recognize it for what it is.
I don't think you're reading with any objectivity. I don't even have a side. I didn't say a word about about progressive ideas being dangerous. I never even brought it up. I think you're reading into things that aren't there, so we'll just call it day. Thanks!!
 
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Sure .. there are individual, peaceful protestors, but if a "peaceful protest" turns into riot, looting, etc .. it's not a peaceful protest. It's irrelevant if there are people there for legitimate reasons, as the violence and destruction becomes the narrative. It would be like focusing on the non KKK guy at a KKK rally where a cross was being burned.

Yup and that is something everyone knows.

That is why right wing nut jobs continue to infiltrate peaceful protests and start fires.

Why do ignorant right wingers want a civil war so damn bad???

Haven't they had enough of all the losing yet???
 
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