DDD
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Albanians are descent of Illyrians (which existed approximately 1000 BC).
The origin of the Illyrians still remains a problem for modern prehistorians.
Dardania (which in Albanian means Pear) was part of Illyrians.
The Slavs migrated to these lands many eras after.
Who ever think Kosovo belong to Serbia by ethnicity is so inaccurate.
However, the Balcan always been a land of continuous conquers.
Roman Empire and ancient Greeks used to conquer these land many many times and intended to change their religion.
Ottom empire conquered these lands for about 500 years and turned most of Albanians into Muslims.
The first organization that opposed the partition of Albania and pushed for greater autonomy was the League of Prizren, formed on 1 June 1878, in Prizren, Kosovo. The League used military force to prevent the annexing of northern Albanian areas assigned to Montenegro and Serbia, and southern Albanian areas assigned to Greece by the Congress of Berlin.
Albania's independence was recognized by the Conference of London on 29 July 1913, but the drawing of the borders of Albania ignored the demographic realities of the time.
The conference intended to arbitrate between the warring powers as to territorial acquisitions, and also to determine the future of Albania, whose independence was proclaimed during the conflict.
Many lands were given to Montenegro.
Kosovo to Serbia.
1/2 of today Macedonia to Macedonia.
Many lands to Greece.
Albania is so ancient and the borders have been changing in many eras.
It is clear unclear is half of Macedonia belong to Albania or Greece. Although 40% of population (it is 22.9 officially) and 1/2 of parliament are Albanians, they speak Albania in official institutions, schools, parliament. Albania is revognized as second language.
If Albanians of Macedonia (and Macedonia itself) come to a point to join Albania, believe me, it will make Greece and Serbia to take their guns.
Kosovo to join Albania
I wished so, but unfortunately, we will not see it to happen.
It is so early.
Our governments have been discussing to pass border free of taxes for export-import of Albanian-Kosovo goods.
This may happen even with Montenegro where in south most of local elected are Albanians and they lobby for it.
The tools that Albania may join Kosovo are through the economy and not the borders.
Besides of that, our politicians as well as your politicians will never allow this to happen.
Most of people as in Kosovo, even in Albania admire a lot the politics and do not wish to share these lands and profits with each other.
Sad, but this is the truth. The Nationalism on our countries is dead.
Many times Albania was called as the bridge of Europe as it is the best point of connection between the East and West of EU.
This is the main reason this country continuously been conquered or attacked during all it's history.
And the main reason we are the most ally country of US on Balcan for military and secret services purposes. As well as with Turkey.
Your prime minister and my prime minister made it clear enough every time they were asked by journalists.Tung (Hi) Coin.
Do you have sources for these claims? The ones I spoke to did not say so.
Your prime minister and my prime minister made it clear enough every time they were asked by journalists.
A poll in Kosovo in 2005 found that 90% backed independence, fewer than 10% wanted union with Albania.
Albania and Kosovo: What happened to Greater Albania? | The Economist
It is early to unite the borders (tho i believe it won't happen like that way)
Why Serbia and Greece would oppose an union between us.
For the same reason most of wars began on Balcan. The name "Greater Albania".
We achieved many unification agreements in economy.
We also achieved in Police forces. Police high patrol forces of Kosovo patrol together with Albanian forces on south Kosovo and North Albania.
We made a big deal for armed forces.which fear a lot greeks and serbians because of the conditions of the agreement.
The agreement consist in the entry and exit procedures of military equipment and personnel into each state.
They oppose because "Greater Albania" if it will ever unite, is very big indeed.
Albania and Kosovo signed army deals, fears of “Great Albania” arise – InSerbia News
LiveLeak.com - American Turkish plan "Greater Albania''
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Time to resolve that ethnic BS once and for all.
I say, let Serbs from Kosovo and Albanians in Serbia (if any, I don't know) swap. Then deport EVERY Albanian within Serbia whether s/he likes it or not. Then build a wall on the boarder with Kosovo, 3 m high and shoot every human being that jumps over it, without warning. Then write a law forbidding any Albanian to ever gain an Serbian citizenship, not even in marriage. Only transit and busyness matters should be allowed. And that's about it.
Those nationalism driven hegemony projects failed. RT keeps these wounds fresh, and they project their plans unto us. So now I guess they think that we will be after hegemony at these modern times. So they invented "Greater Albania" what should be analogous to their Nacertanje and Megali Idea.
Makes sense. But it is not the case. We want to be with Albania so as to stop another potential attack from Serbia which would be consistent with several attacks that have occurred in our history (e.g., 1878, 1912, 1918, 1989, and 1999). Russian Television certainly helps them keep this hate fresh.
All it is stopping them and that could stop them is NATO. Albania is a member and by merging we would be also in NATO as Albanians.
Would this state ever have come into being or survived 5 minutes without massive outside intervention?
However, with the last military agreement between our countries besides the fact that Albanians troops are free to walk and act under NATO standards and vice versa (in case of an attack Albania is free to enter and exit on Kosovo lands), also the Kosovo troops are free to join Albanian army as well as Albanians to join Kosovo army.
On these terms at one point you joined Albania.
Even on economic terms it's a similar story.
The way i don't believe it may happen (like having a map of a single country with both Albania and Kosovo in one) is due to facts that none of albanian politicians, not the kosovo ones, want something like this.
We as people are so ambitious to politics and govern and we don't share anything among each others even on now days conditions.
Your prime minister does not want something like that because he knows very well that he won't ever be a prime minister of the new country as well as our left parties do not wish something like this.
In Albania people are divided, north support the right and south the west. And most of Kosovo people support the right in Albania and prime minister Sali Berisha. This made leftist accuses many times the rights (who were in power) as they were migrating officially Kosovo people to win elections.
It sound stupid but it is true at a point. We mostly fight each others when it come to politics and power.
And wee both are very fragile on internal conflicts.
Anyway, the signs for an union seems to be there (just that it is happening with some modern tools) and mostly the US is supporting it.
SOFA agreement was placed on 2 July 2013. (only 1 month ago).Your military has not entered Dardania even when we are free. World wide NATO troops are everywhere but not you Albania. Why would you be here when in need?
SOFA agreement was placed on 2 July 2013. (only 1 month ago).
However, it is not an agreement which determine by must that albanian forces should be in kosovo and vice versa.
It's just a tool to give legal status to a collaboration to defend both countries at any time.
As you may know, a kind of this agreement was placed and practiced on highways with road patrol police forces from both sides.
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As for other allies no, i don't think so.
Britain never been our ally until '90s. If it wasn't for Clinton's decision, Kosovo wouldn't be independent now, that's sure.
Now here is the deal. We are small and surrounded by foes (like Israel). Our foes are relentless with their unfriendly propaganda that you may observe in RT. The attitudes are generally polarized and favoring the Serbian interpretation in extreme bias (this after all we went through).
You shouldn't be allowed into any responsible group or organization with that attitude, but it might be okay with the UN. I certainly wouldn't want you as a neighbor.
What kind of attitude is that?
It doesn't matter. I have no idea what normal is in Dardania.
That's why I oppose U.S. and Russian intervention in Syria. Whatever system arises within a nation is fine by me as long as the people of that nation "worked it out" amongst themselves.
I think there is this feeling that there may be great disappointment from our supporters, they may think that we cheated on them by joining with Albania now.
Why not achieve independence and then consider joining Albania?
Yes same point as Rainman. This is one reason to postpone it to a future time. But for clarity, we are independent, just that another 21 countries in the world require recognition of independence to UN.
What I do not like about this solution is that other developments are occurring in the meantime. For instance if we were to be part of EU in the meantime I am not certain whether removing political borders is possible?
I don't consider a dictator slaughtering 100k of his own citizens to be the people "working it out".
Maybe not, but it becomes the dictators problem over time; not ours for helpful "interference" that always seems ot backfire.
What do you mean "always?" Surely there are cases when it did not backfire!
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