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Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforehand?

Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

How is it possible there is a 108% of the vote.

I don't think math is for you.

This poster is simply adding all the leads over the 18 some candidates--in which Bush is +1.
48 divided by 18 is less than 3--within the margin of error.
RCP .
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

Let me make this clear again.

Poll shows Americans not impressed with 2016 contenders - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

Hillary has 78 percent of the vote right now. EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN combined has 30 percent.

Get used to calling her "President Clinton" or "Madame President." Either one works

You were already clear last post. This post of yours doesn't change any of the facts about being very early in the primary and election process and much is yet to happen and that it's far to early to predict much of anything with any accuracy.
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

Let me refresh everybody's memory here:

This article says that Hillary Clinton has a 48 percent LEAD over all gop candidates combined.
Poll shows Americans not impressed with 2016 contenders - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

That doesn't mean she has 48 percent of the vote. She has a 48 percent LEAD

AKA, let's say she has 78 percent of the vote, and ALL HER OPPONENTS COMBINED have 30 percent

Does that change anybody's mind yet?

Your understanding of these numbers is comically inaccurate. The article doesn't remotely say that. I cannot even conceive of the bizarre methodology you used to come up with this figure.
 
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wanna BET? Hillary THOUGHT that she was anointed 8 years ago, too, and some nobody beat her out, without even trying. Now she's 6 years older, with a lot more baggage hanging off of her. We might even get lucky and she (or bill) will catch cancer.
 
Yes, Hillary looks like a lock.

But during the next nine months a website will appear that will galvanize over 50% of the American voters, most of whom normally don't participate, and that website will affect the political platforms of every candidate.

The website's perspective will appeal to courage and intelligence and will, by comparison, make a mockery of wingish candidate perspectives .. thus forcing many candidates into changing policy course to be considered electable.

In the end, the candidate that comes the closest to matching the political policies and personality type recommended by this website will win by a landslide.

That is not likely to be Hillary .. even though it could be.

You heard it here first.
 
Yes, Hillary looks like a lock.

But during the next nine months a website will appear that will galvanize over 50% of the American voters, most of whom normally don't participate, and that website will affect the political platforms of every candidate.

The website's perspective will appeal to courage and intelligence and will, by comparison, make a mockery of wingish candidate perspectives .. thus forcing many candidates into changing policy course to be considered electable.

In the end, the candidate that comes the closest to matching the political policies and personality type recommended by this website will win by a landslide.

That is not likely to be Hillary .. even though it could be.

You heard it here first.

I've had horoscopes give more specifics than that.
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

How is it possible there is a 108% of the vote.

I don't think math is for you.

When you include the dead, which vote democrat as a bloc, you get to at least 108%. I'd say he's being conservative.
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

Stopping the Democrats abuse of Voter Fraud will be essential in 2016 and to the salvation of America.

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Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

Stopping the Democrats abuse of Voter Fraud will be essential in 2016 and to the salvation of America.

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:lamo

I love people who think voter fraud is some massive, election-changing conspiracy. (and only Democrats do it, of course!)
 
Why do otherwise intelligent people swoon and fawn so much over the president? Geez, he/she is just a politician, with a talent for winning these contests to draw votes. You'd think the prez was a god or something. Besides, the other branches of the federal government, and all the state and local governing bodies, also have a good bit of control over our lives and fortunes.

Because there is only one prez but hundreds in congress. Diffusion of power = almost all americans know who the president is but less than half can name a senator or supreme court justice

He's a celebrity with nukes
 
wanna BET? Hillary THOUGHT that she was anointed 8 years ago, too, and some nobody beat her out, without even trying. Now she's 6 years older, with a lot more baggage hanging off of her. We might even get lucky and she (or bill) will catch cancer.

just another old white guy like bernie sanders isn't going to beat her out. Not the same thing

And really, hoping for a bland centrist like hillary to die is low, even for a republican
 
It's not a matter of if Hillary becomes president, but what her first act as President will be.
Characteristically, she's acting as if she already is president. Must be nice, not having to go through something so bourgeois as an election to become president anymore.

She has a 48 percent lead over ALL her republican challengers COMBINED. A FORTY EIGHT PERCENT LEAD!

To put that in perspective, Obama had about a five percent lead in October 2012.
Well, to put THAT in perspective, Hillary had a similarly significant lead over Obama at one point prior to the 2008 election.

Poll: Clinton establishes sizeable lead over Obama

Gotta love the "knowledge" that comes out of polls.

So in the interest of knowledge, has any other US presidential election been decided two years beforehand, like the 2016 election will be?
"In the interest of knowledge?" You're kidding, right?
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...


You can post the link to that article as many times as you want, but it's not going to magically start saying what you want it to.

Hillary has 78 percent of the vote right now. EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN combined has 30 percent.

Nowhere in that article does it say this.
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

i'm not even going to look up a reputable study to counter this absurd claim:

Voter Fraud Literally Less Likely Than Being Hit By Lightning | Mother Jones

And your statement is exactly what we would expect from someone deliberately using voter fraud.

Just like we would expect a drug cartel lawyer to scoff at the idea that drugs are harmful, or a serial rapist to sneer that rape doesn't ruins lives.

But it is a huge problem, as has been documented in many cases and convictions:

Don't Believe Voter Fraud Happens? Here's Some Examples

Don’t Believe Voter Fraud Happens? Here’s Some Examples
(over 200 examples)
Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / May 22, 2015

In the interest of helping out the editorial writers and pundits of media outlets who don’t think voter fraud occurs, I wanted to note just a few recent cases (and readers interested in seeing almost 200 more such cases can do so here.):

In McAllen, Texas, two campaign workers (known as politiqueras in local parlance) who bribed voters with cocaine, beer, cigarettes and cash during a 2012 school board election have been sentenced separately to serve eight and four months in prison, respectively. U.S. District Court Judge Randy Crane called this election fraud “terrible” and said that “our country requires that our voting process be clear and free of fraud for democracy to work … it’s dangerous for this to occur without consequence.”

A couple in Le Sueur, Minn., was charged with felony voter registration fraud for lying about where they lived so they could vote in a school bond referendum in another town.

A woman in Dothan, Ala., was sentenced to six months in prison for her part in a voter fraud scheme that got a city commissioner re-elected. She was the second of the four people charged to have been found guilty of voter fraud in the case, which may have involved more than 100 absentee ballots.

Bronx politician Hector Ramirez has been arrested after a 242-count grand jury indictment charged him with a massive voter fraud scheme that involved tricking voters into letting Ramirez and his staff illegally vote their absentee ballots. The local prosecutor told the New York Daily News that Ramirez, who lost two prior tries at a state assembly seat, “made a decision that he was not going to lose, under any circumstance.
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Here's another documented case:

Evidence of massive voter fraud discovered in North Carolina 2012 election - National Elections | Examiner.com

Evidence of massive voter fraud discovered in North Carolina 2012 election

After performing an interstate check of about 101 million voter records in more than two dozen participating states, evidence indicates massive voter fraud took place in North Carolina during the 2012 election, PJ Media said Wednesday.

According to Bryan Preston, initial findings revealed:

765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.
35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.
155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C.

The second bullet point is key, Preston said, because double voting in federal elections is election fraud under state and federal statutes and could result in jail sentences.

The results only consider data from the 28 states that participated in the 2014 survey, leaving out 22 other states, meaning that more fraud could have taken place.

But the situation only got worse after an audit of death records from the state Department of Health and Human Services, which revealed:

50,000 new death records that had not previously been provided to the State Board of Elections.
13,416 deceased voters on the voter rolls in October 2013.
81 deceased voters that had voter activity after they died.

About 30 of those 81 deceased voters legally cast their ballots prior to dying, State Board of Elections Executive Director Kim Westbrook Strach said.
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Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

Here is an investigative TV new journalism youtube video which covers extensive immigrant voting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0



Still think it doesn't happen?

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Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

At least she is corrupt enough and untrustworthy enough to be president. Add a level of fame not achieved by any opponent and that's a pretty strong case. It's all good. Looks like we will maintain the critical gridlock we've worked so hard to achieve. Sounds about right to me.
 
Re: Has there been another election in history that was decided two years beforeh...

At least she is corrupt enough and untrustworthy enough to be president. Add a level of fame not achieved by any opponent and that's a pretty strong case. It's all good. Looks like we will maintain the critical gridlock we've worked so hard to achieve. Sounds about right to me.

Nice try...

You're not really a Libertarian, you're a Leftie Shill here to convince Libertarians that there is no reason to show up at the polls to vote against one of the most corrupt, deceptive and destructive politicians in American History.

I don't want gridlock, as a Libertarian, I want the TEA Patriots, and those among the class Republican Party with some sense, to begin to Dismantle the Bloated, Self-Serving, Unsustainable, Ridiculous Spending Government we've allowed to Fester and Cancerous Grow!

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It's not a matter of if Hillary becomes president, but what her first act as President will be.

She has a 48 percent lead over ALL her republican challengers COMBINED. A FORTY EIGHT PERCENT LEAD!

Poll shows Americans not impressed with 2016 contenders - Adam B. Lerner - POLITICO

To put that in perspective, Obama had about a five percent lead in October 2012.

So in the interest of knowledge, has any other US presidential election been decided two years beforehand, like the 2016 election will be?



FDR.

1936, 1940 and 1944.
 
If we simply stop a portion of the Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud, then the 2016 Election is a toss-up, close election, which could go any direction.

If we could stop ALL Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud, the Democrats wouldn't stand a chance in hell.

http://libertynews.com/2014/10/left...c-group-pushes-guide-on-voting-without-an-id/

Left-Wing, Race-Based Hispanic Group Pushes Guide on Voting Without an ID

The far left-wing, racbaiting group National Council of La Raza is pushing a guide showing members where they can go to vote without an ID.

La Raza (meaning “the race”) is a group that thinks that the “white” Americans illegally stole the great southwestern USA from “Hispanics” and that the USA should simply give back Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California to Mexico. It is also a group that has sponsored racist assaults on whites for decades.

Now La Raza is trying to alert members on just where they can go to vote illegally.

The pro-amnesty Hispanic activist organization the National Council of La Raza helpfully promoted a Washington Post article explaining which states people can vote in without having to use a photo ID.

“Voter ID laws are at-issue across the country, with newly Republican-controlled legislatures having passed them in numerous states after the 2010 election,” explained The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake. “Most states still request some form of ID, but don’t require it. Another 20 states don’t require identification. In case you’re wondering where your state is at in all of this, a helpful (sic) graphic from the Post’s graphics team.”

So who ended up using the Post’s helpful graphic? The country’s foremost pro-amnesty Hispanic immigrant organization.

With the recent study that fund that up to a million illegal aliens are voting in US elections already and that they have probably illegally influenced the outcomes of several elections, get ready for this sort of massive Democrat voter fraud to continue.


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Arguably, one might also add in most of the 2-term presidencies.



That's probably true.

One of the guys I work with said of the Obama second term election that he screwed it up pretty bad so far.

He then went on to say that we should give him a chance to fix it.

I thought it was like giving a wife beater a second chance with the same victim, but there you are.
 
If we simply stop a portion of the Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud, then the 2016 Election is a toss-up, close election, which could go any direction.

If we could stop ALL Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud, the Democrats wouldn't stand a chance in hell.

Left-Wing, Race-Based Hispanic Group Pushes Guide on Voting Without an ID | LibertyNEWS.com




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Greetings, Kurmugeon. :2wave:

Not a snowballs chance that this ever happen, but why hasn't a Federal law been written long ago that you must have valid ID to vote, at least in the Presidential election years? This wouldn't interfere with State laws, since they could still do what they want in their State midterm elections. Not that it would help much, since IDs seem easy to get, but it would at least create a step that must be followed, since the POTUS is the POTUS in all 50 States! We've been arguing about this for years - why hasn't it been done? They sure didn't have a problem making Obamacare mandatory in all 50 States, even though it was pushed through without a single Republican vote! Why hasn't that been ruled discriminatory against half the populous? *rhetorical question, since I know the answer* :thumbdown:
 
Greetings, Kurmugeon. :2wave:

Not a snowballs chance that this ever happen, but why hasn't a Federal law been written long ago that you must have valid ID to vote, at least in the Presidential election years? This wouldn't interfere with State laws, since they could still do what they want in their State midterm elections. Not that it would help much, since IDs seem easy to get, but it would at least create a step that must be followed, since the POTUS is the POTUS in all 50 States! We've been arguing about this for years - why hasn't it been done? They sure didn't have a problem making Obamacare mandatory in all 50 States, even though it was pushed through without a single Republican vote! Why hasn't that been ruled discriminatory against half the populous? *rhetorical question, since I know the answer* :thumbdown:

you might have an argument if the constitution didn't explicitly ban poll taxes in federal elections (and unless the ID is free, it's ... a poll tax)
 
you might have an argument if the constitution didn't explicitly ban poll taxes in federal elections (and unless the ID is free, it's ... a poll tax)

This is a Red Herring Argument, and you darn well know it.

Voter IDs can, should, and have been provided by the State Governments for Free.

You're merely defending law breaking because it brings you power and money.

I'll give the Left credit for one thing, when it comes to Power-Lust and Greed, they are very consistent.

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