...there'd be dead kids strewn about like newly mown hay. Why hasn't the obvious comparison been made in our papers?
Each has it's good points. You'd be better off when running out of your trailer to save your Camaro up on cinder blocks from a couple of rioters to go with the shotgun. That pumpkinball has a little more knockdown power than a .223.ddoyle00 said:Speaking as a redneck, it would be a Colt AR15, not a pump shotgun. I prefer the ability to put 30 rounds downrange than the shock of only 8 large slugs.
Besides, the point that is trying to be made is who else's governemnt besides Israel's uses its military to put down a riot? Oh yeah, China. Rewind CNN a few months and watch a helicopter shoot rockets into an apartment. Watch a tank knock down a house. There a bit o' difference tween a redneck with a shotgun and a armored tank with a mounted .50 cal and a 120mm smoothbore.
The Jews don't play. After what they have been and still go through, can you blame them? And now you're gonna compare democratic Israel with communist China? The Jews are killing terrorists. The Chinese are killing protesters. And this is your debate point? Your not very good at this, are you? If America had people burning cars in the street every night, how long before we brought out he troops? But it might not get to that. US citizens are armed.
Maybe they're not as prescient as you? Jewish media conspiracy? Aryan forgot? Irving's arrest? New World Order? Illuminati? Aliens? Lol... go figure.pancho-angry said:Why hasn't the obvious comparison been made in our papers?
Yeah!...ddoyle00 said:-I did not debate the targets, I debated the use of military force and who else besides Israel and China uses heave armor and helicopters on its own citizens?
I wonder who does that...
In 1957, in the wake of the Brown decision, U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower enforced the Supreme Court's 1954 school desegregation order by sending troops to Little Rock, Arkansas when the Governor of the state resisted allowing black students (known as the Little Rock Nine) to attend the previously all-white Little Rock Central High School. President Eisenhower used United States Army troops, when Governor Orval Faubus had mobilized troops from the Arkansas National Guard to prevent it, setting a precedent for the enforcement of court orders relating to racial integration by the Executive Branch of the Federal Government.
A) Don't capitalize my name...:2wave:debate_junkie said:It kills me that people think our military is only for use in defending our borders. Our troops first and foremost primary option, WHEN NEEDED, is to defend our cities. Though I've never been privy to seeing armed troops walking down the street, I have to ask. Redd, when the MOVE bit was going on down on Osage, hadn't the PA Guard been readied, and in fact been present, since the Philadelphia PD was unable to control the situation (through no fault of their own, obviously. They were dealing with nutjobs?)
cnredd said:A) Don't capitalize my name...:2wave:
B) The Guard wasn't needed in Philly for MOVE...It was one house...
The problem came when the Mayor approved a helicopter to drop C4 on the house...The fire spread, and the PFD were concerned about getting shot at from the house if they tried to put it out, so the Mayor chose to let the fire burn until it got out of control and took the whole block down...
I don't know if the Guard was physically there are not...but they weren't needed...
But instead you came to me...:dohdebate_junkie said:When your name is at the beginning of a sentence, I will cap it :2wave:
Ok, I was asking. I was 14 at the time, and I thought I remembered something being said of the PA guard, but I couldn't find it in my research on the subject, and wanted to seek the brilliant mind of someone who lived there. :lol:
ddoyle00 said:Thank you MixedMedia. Finally someone read my comments for what they are. All I was saying is that Israel and China (that I know of) uses its military on a routine basis to solve domestic problems. Thats all. I wasnt Jew-bashing or comparing rioters to terrorists. Yeesh.
Exactly. ddoyle keeps trying to compare or commingle the internal civil riots in France with the external military actions of Israel. It's apples and oranges.Deegan said:It's not a "domestic" issue, they are two separate countries, hence the fence! China on the other hand, they have a real problem when it comes to dealing with their own.
Duh... you've just stipulated that military forces engage when land is in dispute.ddoyle00 said:Regardless of the fence, both countries claim that land, right? During the Mexican War, America sent federal troops to Texas to fight the Mexicans since we both claimed that land. That sounds the same, right?
Really?.........ddoyle00 said:Today, We would be blasted by the world for something like this while Israel gets off scot-free or they just do not care for world opinion. One of the two.
Hand me down American military power? Lol...ddoyle00 said:Israel uses hand-me down American military power to erradicate a terrorists family after a bombing. No other country besides Israel can fly helicopters into the middle of a town and drop bombs on a house purely out of revenge. No other country besides Israel can use its tanks to knock down a house while no one seems to care besides the Arabs.
Tashah said:Duh... you've just stipulated that military forces engage when land is in dispute.
US forces have not knocked down civilian homes in Faloojah? US forces have not bulldozed orchards and palm-date groves in Tikrit? US helicopters have not fired missles in any Iraqi city since 'Mission Accomplished'? US forces have not conducted any midnight raids on insurgent cells? US forces never search Iraqi civilians? No road barricades? No city lockdowns? No arrests without warrants? No torture or abuse of prisoners? No secret CIA detention centers? No bombs dropped on wedding celebrations in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did not the US allow Iraq to be looted for almost a week?
Sorry if these exemplars are a bit inconvenient doyle.
Hand me down American military power? Lol...
Never heard of the Markava tank doyle? Galil assault rifle? UZI 9mm Submachine Gun? Arrow anti-missle system? Sharaf helicopter? Spike Anti-Armour Missile System? Tactical High Energy Laser? Not an American knockout in the bunch.
Oh yea doyle, more Israeli weaponry currently used by US forces...
Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy, Reactive Armor Tiles, Litening navigation and targeting device, Popeye/ HAVE NAP AGM-142, Python-4-Air-to-Air Missile, Simon, CLAMS, SINCGARS Tactical Communications, B300/SMAW Bunker-Busting Missile.
Perhaps you should drop the old cliche's and brush up a bit on US military tactics in Iraq and Israeli weaponry. Seems you haven't a clue in either subject.