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Has any Conspiracy Theory, by the above criteria, ever been vindicated?
There's actually a few conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, and MKULTRA are very real and documented by the CIA.
There's actually a few conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, and MKULTRA are very real and documented by the CIA.
There's actually a few conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, and MKULTRA are very real and documented by the CIA.
There's actually a few conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, and MKULTRA are very real and documented by the CIA.
I recently heard someone deliver a simple challenge to a Conspiracy Theorist, a challenge that was not adequately answered, which made me wonder if the poor answer was simply a lacking of knowledge by that Conspiracy Theorist in particular, or if it was revealing something meaningful about the Conspiracy Theory approach in general.
Here is the question, and it is a very specific question, so please do read the criteria.
Has any Conspiracy Theory ever turned out to be true and vindicated in any meaningful way?
For a Conspiracy Theory to meet the challenge is must have the following traits:
It must be Predictive: That is to say that the theory must have been around and discussed PRIOR TO the general revelation or uncovering of the event the theory addresses. So Watergate is not a valid example as it was not "theorized" about prior to being revealed by journalistic processes.
It must be specific to meaningful degree: That is to say something very vague and general like "the government has stuff they don't want us to know about" doesn't count. Something more specific like "I think the government deliberately infected some US citizens to cause the Ebola scare to distract from other issues." would count, although extreme specificity regarding exact details is not required.
The Theory must regard something not generally known or suspected to be true: For example, "the government is testing experimental Weapons" would not count because although the details of particular weapons are secret, the idea that experimental weapons exist, and that they are generally kept secret until they are ready for deployment, is common knowledge and a fairly mundane claim. Meanwhile something like "HAARP is actually a government super weapon that can trigger earthquakes" would count, as that claim is not generally believed or known and would be fantastic in nature if true.
That's really pretty much it, the Theory must have predicted something, the thing it predicted must not have been mundane or commonly accepted, and the prediction must have had some reasonable level of specificity or meaningful information.
Has any Conspiracy Theory, by the above criteria, ever been vindicated?
Actually there is an ambiguity in the definition. It is between "theories" (lay person usage BTW) which turn out to be true and those which don't.So those exact examples were given by the person in the thread where I originally saw this, but as the person posing the question pointed out, neither of those were theorized about prior to being uncovered. Those are not predictions, they are, for lack of a better term, post dictions, so they would fail the challenge.
There's actually a few conspiracy theories that turned out to be true. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, and MKULTRA are very real and documented by the CIA.
There have been several, I'll list some of the ones in the USA:
1. The Mafia. Believe it or not, prior to the testimony of Joe Velachi, people thought the Mafia was a myth. In fact, J. Edgar Hoover refused to give credence to the existence of this crime organization right up until Velachi's evidence proved him wrong.
2. MK Ultra. Someone already mentioned this, and it is the most famous of the proven conspiracy theories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
3. Operation Mockingbird: Between the 50's - 70's the CIA paid news organizations to publish propaganda. Exposed by the Church Committee in 1975. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
4. Operation Northwoods: Plans drafted by U.S. military leaders in the 60's to create public support for a war against Cuba by committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities. Our "False Flag" option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
5. COINTELPRO: A series of covert and frequently illegal projects conducted by the FBI between 1956 and 1971 investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Those are not things that started out as CT's that later turned out to be true.
But he's not biased.
lol
Those are not things that started out as CT's that later turned out to be true.
You beat me to it. The hallmark of CT's is that they turn out not to be true.
CT's invariably originate from a false premise so they have nowhere to go.
There have been several, I'll list some of the ones in the USA:
1. The Mafia. Believe it or not, prior to the testimony of Joe Velachi, people thought the Mafia was a myth. In fact, J. Edgar Hoover refused to give credence to the existence of this crime organization right up until Velachi's evidence proved him wrong.
2. MK Ultra. Someone already mentioned this, and it is the most famous of the proven conspiracy theories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
3. Operation Mockingbird: Between the 50's - 70's the CIA paid news organizations to publish propaganda. Exposed by the Church Committee in 1975. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
4. Operation Northwoods: Plans drafted by U.S. military leaders in the 60's to create public support for a war against Cuba by committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities. Our "False Flag" option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
5. COINTELPRO: A series of covert and frequently illegal projects conducted by the FBI between 1956 and 1971 investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
But he's not biased.
lol
Yeahhhhhhhhh
You don't get it. I figured.
Does Northwoods really count? It didn't actually happen, after all.
i reckoned you would 'say' that. Loved it.
lol
No, Northwoods (nor any of the 16 other very similar and equally DOA proposals that were submitted at around the same time but CT's don't know about because they are not as easy to Google search) does not count on several levels.
Northwoods is kind of a personal favorite of mine. For one, it shows how little effort CT's put in to "research". But more importantly, CT's use a rejected plan as proof the government approves false flags :lamo You literally have to be a conspiracy theorist to not see the irony there.
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