Harvard student's petition to revoke degrees (2 Viewers)

[iliveonramen]

Truly. But the response of any moral and principled person to a group of people doing something disdainful should not be to reflexively point out that someone elsewhere did something worse. If someone insults your wife to your face and you tell them to meet you in the parking lot, them asking why you are so angry since Harvey Weinstein raped multiple women is not the best defense.

I mean, the filing is dumb, nothing will be done, and some of the kids will grow up and maybe vote Republican one day. It’s literally a non story unless Harvard goes out trying to revoke degrees.

 

[TurtleDude]

It is an issue. You have posts in here that are over the top in rhetoric over college kids filing a petition when actual damage to Democracy is being done.

that's moronic. Its like saying what happened with the riot is irrelevant because its not as damaging as COVID.

 

[Grand Mal]

That is where I think you are mistaken Grand Mal. Pursuant to liberalism (or classical liberalism) which undergirds the social values of American liberals, conservatives, progressives and libertarians alike, the ideal government recognizes and protects the rights of all individual people equally and irrespective of their immutable characteristics. But liberalism is the recognition that the rights we have are inherent in us simply for the fact that we are being human beings. For example, pursuant to the liberal view, slavery is evil because it is a perversion of the natural order in which all human beings are equal, and such equality precludes the right of the ownership of fellow human beings.

But if rights are simply the things we are allowed to do because we fought for the right to do them and society as a whole recognizes that fact, rights then are simply the product of might of the interest groups fighting for them. But had the slave owners had won the civil war and black Africans remained in bondage, that would not have made the slaveowner's right to own black Africans as slaves correct or just pursuant to the philosophy of liberalism. If women had never won their right vote, that would not have made their inferior status correct pursuant to the philosophy of liberalism.

Okay, rights are inherent in each/all of us. Government subverts our rights and we have to force the government to back off. Except some rights didn't exist until they were denied. The right of women to vote, for example. It couldn't have existed until men had the right and men's right to vote didn't exist before we were ruled by elected government. Nobody had a right to vote in feudalism, the right didn't exist.
Government gives up power reluctantly and every human right reduces the power of government. Why else is government so loathe to allow citizens to use pot, for example? The effort to deny that right is enormously expensive and harmful to society but the government still denies the right that is inherent in us. Therefore the government must be fought on the issue, the right must be won.
Next will be assisted suicide. The government denies that right, which is inherent in us, so we have to fight to get it back.

 

[MSgt]

That’s kind of an odd view.

It's easily backed up:

1) Conservatives routinely rely on conspiracy nonsense to create opposition and grievance against their exaggerated and irrational hatred of "the left," while pushing perpetual victimhood. These "counter culturalists" whatever folk are doing the same thing. Playing victim, thus lashing out in obnoxious defense.

2) And...historians are famous for being able to set their bias as far aside as they can to present truth. This is why historians are encouraged to read from primary multiple sources, multiple secondary sources, and encouraged to discover leans. From here, they are better prepared to be aware of their own propensity to lean in their works.

 

[MSgt]

political liberals in the 1700s have very little to do with the reactionary statist authoritarians who have ripped off the term liberal now.

Yeah, that's a tired and very unquantifiable declaration.

Right-wing propaganda gave that nonsense to you. You are liberal. Yet, the right-wing has managed to convince you that part of you is the enemy.

This is simple enough to expose: You are all about (and only about) the 2nd Amendment. Despite a mass of Democrats being gun owners, they easily convince you that just a single mention of gun control means that they want to give away their own guns. Just wake up, dude. Be a part of making America better instead of this tired and always pointless obstruction.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yeah, that's a tired and very unquantifiable declaration.

Right-wing propaganda gave that nonsense to you. You are liberal. Yet, the right-wing has managed to convince you that part of you is the enemy.

wrong, you tend to constantly change the definition of liberal to support your arguments and do the same thing with conservatives. The current Democrats are hardly "liberals" and are reactionary. The Founders were truly liberals, seeking more freedom, less centralized authority and less governmental control.

 

[iliveonramen]

that's moronic. Its like saying what happened with the riot is irrelevant because its not as damaging as COVID.

I mean, when people in this thread are calling this totalitarianism or Maoist tactics it’s worth pointing out what those tactics really look like.

The over the top language on something that is literally right wing click bait is pretty amazing.

 

[MSgt]

wrong, you tend to constantly change the definition of liberal to support your arguments....

It's a simple definition that is tweaked from culture to culture. It's you delusional conservatives who like to think that you can change the definition to support your very ignorant and silly arguments. German conservatives in the 1930s shared your idea of a what a liberal was. America just proved stronger than Germany in the end. You are welcome. Your place in history won't be as bad as it might have been.

..and do the same thing with conservatives.

Well, start with the 3/5th Compromise, the Deep South , the Civil War, and today's Confederate flag in the Capitol building. That's a very simple line of conservative heritage. I guess history can be a bitch. Again, it's you people who like the idea that you can whimsically change simple definitions to suit your sad needs.

The current Democrats are hardly "liberals" and are reactionary. The Founders were truly liberals, seeking more freedom, less centralized authority and less governmental control.

Yes....gays have rights, Muslims have rights, immigrants have rights, and all citizens have rights. Conservatives may not shit on any of them and repress their rights. Again, history is a bitch. You just witness your kind try to take a giant Trump-inspired shit on America and all you can do is default to your tired routine. At what point do you actually care to allow yourself some self-respect?

 

[TurtleDude]

It's a simple definition that is tweaked from culture to culture. It's you delusional conservatives who like to think that you can change the definition to support your very ignorant and silly arguments. German conservatives in the 1930s shared your idea of a what a liberal was.



Well, start with the 3/5th Compromise, the Deep South , the Civil War, and today's Confederate flag in the Capitol building. That's a very simple line of conservative heritage. I guess history can be a bitch. Again, it's you people who like the idea that you can whimsically change simple definitions to suit your sad needs.




Yes....gays have rights, Muslims have rights, immigrants have rights, and citizens have rights. And conservatives may not shit on any of them and repress their rights. Again, history is a bitch.

most of that is nonsense and the last two sentences are irrelevant. what do "progressives" want that actual reduce government power and coercion and expand individual liberties ?

 

[Tahuyaman]

It's easily backed up:

1) Conservatives routinely rely on conspiracy nonsense to create opposition and grievance against their exaggerated and irrational hatred of "the left," while pushing perpetual victimhood. These "counter culturalists" whatever folk are doing the same thing. Playing victim, thus lashing out in obnoxious defense.

2) And...historians are famous for being able to set their bias as far aside as they can to present truth. This is why historians are encouraged to read from primary multiple sources, multiple secondary sources, and encouraged to discover leans. From here, they are better prepared to be aware of their own propensity to lean in their works.

Opinions aren’t actually a great way to claim you’re having up a view.

 

[MSgt]

most of that is nonsense.....

Nope. Just needs a bit of adulthood.

...and the last two sentences are irrelevant.

Not at all.

what do "progressives" want that actual reduce government power and coercion and expand individual liberties ?

You mean the "progressives" that criticized Bush's Patriot Act that officially allowed the CIA to spy on you while your kind celebrated it as a sign of false nationalism?

How about how Trump and his obedient Republicans handed out welfare too American farmers since 2017 and welfare and unemployment checks and bailouts to mismanaged banks and corporations in 2020, which pervert the entire idea of liberty and accountability? Don't you pretend to be a "libertarian?" You people really allowed Trump to **** you all up, didn't you?

You continue to have no idea what you are talking about. Your opinions are still based on ignorance and right-wing provided propaganda.

* Just stop. Recognize that I am mentally superior and that you would do well to start a religion around me. I will absolve you of your past absurdness just on the fact that you like guns. C'mon, do it...do it...do it....

 

[MSgt]

Opinions aren’t actually a great way to claim you’re having up a view.

I don't get it. Secondary is only thrice a way of abstaining a horse's noose when views be tough. (.....................................Top is doing the Scotch.)

But seriously. "Very conservative?" What that does that even mean in an America where conservatism has largely come to mean only denying an alt-Right viewpoint anymore?

 

[Tahuyaman]

I don't get it. Secondary is only thrice a way of abstaining a horse's noose when views be tough. (.....................................Top is doing the Scotch.)

But seriously. "Very conservative?" What that does that even mean in an America where conservatism has largely come to mean only denying an alt-Right viewpoint anymore?

If you need the idea of “very conservative” explained to you, you aren’t capable of understanding the concept.

 

[MSgt]

If you need the idea of “very conservative” explained to you, you aren’t capable of understanding the concept.

Oh, no, no, no you poor soul. It's you that should explain yourself. You claim it.

- Did you support an anti-conservative thesis in the White House for four years?
- You clearly support a right-wing Party, not a conservative Party, that clings to presenting loyalty to a single autocrat wannabe.
- And you default to the idea that irrationally hating "the left" qualifies you as a conservative.

As far as history,

- Did you support Reagan and G.W. Bush who greatly expanded government and big brother?
- Did you support Reagan, G.W. Bush, and Trump who greatly increased national debt?
- Did you support Bush's Patriot Act that authorized the CIA to spy on you on American soil?
- Did you support Trump's routine interference into State's rights?

So.....go ahead and provide the concept of conservatism while doing your best to ignore the reality. Don't bother. You are just another irrationally hate-filled fanatic pretending to be something he doesn't even understand.

 

[Cameron]

The fact is, many cases are filed in good faith based on what is known at the time, and later are dismissed pursuant to Rules 12 or 56. Looking back, one could claim a suit that is ended due to Failure to state a claim or as a matter of law, was baseless. Are you claiming that?

I'm claiming that Trump's lawsuits were obviously meritless even before they were dismissed and filed in bad faith, as I think I made pretty clear. Pretty good chance of sanctions too.

Also Rule 56 is summary judgment none of these cases even came close to that because they couldn't even articulate a plausible claim so I don't know why you are bringing that up.

 

[eohrnberger]

No one supports them. Hey, some kids have a stupid idea. Let's make a news story about it...

It's stories like this that make me wonder about the editorial decisions being made in the various news rooms.

 

[vesper]

There's a petition circulating by cancel cultureists at Harvard to revoke the degree earned by people with whom they disagree with on politcal issues. What is the mindset which comes up with these ideas?

“Revoke Their Degrees”: Harvard Faculty and Students Seek Revocation Of Degrees For Trump Officials and Allies

There is a building campaign at Harvard to rescind the degrees of Trump officials and allies including White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), and Representative Dan …

jonathanturley.org

I would say that behavior like this falls into the category of Red Fascism.

 

[dave8383]

I think it’s more pervasive than anyone would believe.

And what makes you think that? Is that what your acquaintances think? Do they secretly want the government to take care of them?

 

[Hatuey]

So are Episcopalians and Jews. That still doesn't overcome the fact that Harvard discriminates against those three groups in favor of applicants who generally score worse on the SATs

Lmao, they also give preference to rich white guys whose families donate no matter how stupid they are. They're called legacies. Again, the statement was that Harvard hates asians. Overrepresentation of Asians at Harvard directly contradicts that statement.

Now drop your copy of the Bell Curve, and stop trying to sound smarter than the rest of your ilk.

 

[poweRob]

There's a petition circulating by cancel cultureists at Harvard to revoke the degree earned by people with whom they disagree with on politcal issues. What is the mindset which cones up with these ideas?

“Revoke Their Degrees”: Harvard Faculty and Students Seek Revocation Of Degrees For Trump Officials and Allies

There is a building campaign at Harvard to rescind the degrees of Trump officials and allies including White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), and Representative Dan …

jonathanturley.org

I disagree with this move. But like I said in the past, when conservatives want to point and laugh at liberals they tend to run to college campuses and mock the kids there while we on the left laugh at cons because it's much more of an all ages shit show over there.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

That’s convincing.

What do you care? Trump supporters hate educated people and higher learning in general, especially anything associated with elite universities. Why would this news even bother you? As a Trump supporter, a college degree does not have value to you.

Well your "moderate views" suggest you would call anyone to the right of Trotsky a fascist so I think your posts suggest your views are hardly "moderate"

I don't like communists and I don't like fascists. Both political ideologies are incompatible with the system of government the Framers of the Constitution put in place. But what do you care about the topic of this thread? You guys hate anything associated with education. A college degree does not have value to you.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Liberalism is based on lies.

Oh, do tell us more...

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So much for drowning the government in a bathtub.

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[W_Heisenberg]

We all see where liberals stand. Totalitarianism. Agree with them or be cancelled.

Complain after you've condemned and repudiated the seditionists who ransacked the Capitol and tried to cancel an election they failed to win.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Complain after you've condemned and repudiated the seditionists who ransacked the Capitol and tried to cancel an election they failed to win.

Yep, the facts are now coming out about that too. ANTIFA and BLM was using Facebook, Twitter and Instagram to plan that operation two weeks ago. It was initiated by people who weren't listening to Trump's speech to his supporters as it was executed 20 minute before he concluded his comments. But facts don't matter to you

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yep, the facts are now coming out about that too. ANTIFA and BLM was using Facebook, Twitter and Instagram to plan that operation two weeks ago.

Oh, were they wearing fake oathkeepers outfits too?





Oath Keepers spotted during the break-in on the Capitol's east side in @FordFischer's video from today. Next to his "Guardians of the Republic" patch is another that reads: "I don't believe in anything. I'm just here for the violence.

It was initiated by people who weren't listening to Trump's speech to his supporters as it was executed 20 minute before he concluded his comments. But facts don't matter to you

Trump supporters may be poor and uneducated, but they all have smart phones. They didn't need to be at Trump's speech to hear and see him speak. Levin didn't think about that before coming up with that piece of pro-sedition propaganda, did he? And you are discounting all of the crap that spewed forth from Trump's mouth in the preceding weeks that encouraged the coup and riled up his supporters.

But facts don't matter to you

You are so unbelievably gullible. It's impossible talking to someone like you. You believe in really stupid shit. It's like you're on a different planet. You believe in every pro-Trump conspiracy theory no matter how idiotic because it makes you feel better.

Yep.