Caine said:There has been alot of talk on the news lately about Catholic groups getting mad because retail stores have been catering to people of all faiths by using Happy Holidays instead of saying Merry Christmas. Even the President has taken heat due to using Happy Holidays in the White House seasonal greeting card this year. So, which do you think most people should say? Happy Holidays? or Merry Christmas?
Deegan said:this is all a manufactured issue, by folks on the left with too much time on their hands.:roll:
Caine said:Yes, because people like Pat Robertson and a bunch of Catholic groups are lefties....
Deegan said:They are only fighting to keep the FEDERAL holiday of Christmas as it is, and to have displays in public, kept there along side others. This fight was started by groups like the ACLU and other leftist groups, they drew first blood.
Caine said:Is that why some catholic groups are boycotting places like Target and Wal-Mart because they are using Happy Holidays... and they are pissed at the president for putting happy holidays in his holiday card.
Deegan said:Actually, it was something that offended them greatly, so they fought the good fight, and prevailed. As both will now say Merry Christmas, as well as happy holiday, and all other religious phrases. You may not find it unacceptable, but some of us have grown up with the words Merry Christmas, and did not appreciate those words disappearing from our lives. I don't agree with some religious groups, or their methods, but I will stand and fight for this FEDERAL HOLIDAY!
Caine said:Really? I still see "home for the holidays" all around my Wal-Marts and Target still says Happy Holidays in my area too.
Also, Target sells Hannukah stuff.. I guess you and your buddies should go boycott that too huh?
Deegan said:Me and my buddies?
You seem angry sir, I never said anything about "Hannukah" I think all religions should be represented, and celebrated, as far as I can tell, all have been. It is only now, that it seem the words Merry Christmas, are under attack, and I ask why? It is a federal holiday, and it specifically says "Christmas" not happy holiday, not seasons greetings, but Christmas. It's hateful individuals like you, that have decided the words must go, and 85% of us are telling you to take a hike, we want Christmas to stay.
Caine said:What 85% did your poll come from?
The local TV station did a random person on the street poll, and most people around here, EVEN CHRISTIANS agreed that the president was right in stating Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas due to the diversity of the 1.4 million people who receive the White House's card each year.
Deegan said:And if you would read the thread about the WH Christmas cards, I said the very same thing. This is about excluding Merry Christmas from public places, like it's a foul thing, or a contagious disease or something. I believe we have room for everyones choice, and that because it's a federal holiday, it should especially be front and center.
Deegan said:I don't know why you keep missing my point, I thought I was very clear, ALL SHOULD BE REPRESENTED, THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL TO BE CELEBRATED!!!!
Now, what part of that do you not understand? Did you know that some stores had "Happy Hanukkah" but did not have Merry Christmas, now what is up with that, would you not think that a little unfair? What is wrong with just having them all, why appease a small section of the country, and fold to their demands, when 85% like to see the words Merry Christmas, not good business, not good sense, period.
Caine said:Nah, your misunderstanding me.
I don't mind people saying Merry Christmas, I don't mind they saying Happy Hannukah.
I just dont like people like this Catholic group whining and crying because there are busineses who wish to say Happy Holidays. Or call it the Holiday Season. There is no reason for someone to cry and complain about it. If Wal-Mart or Target choose to say Happy Holidays, let them do it, don't cry about it. Thats all I'm saying. And as for the President, If he wants to be "politically correct" and say Happy Holidays in his cards... Let him...
But the Christians shouldn't whine and cry because they aren't made out to be better than anyone else.
Deegan said:This is where we part company, I believe it is worth fighting for, the holiday in question is indeed Christmas, it is a federal holiday, and celebrated by 85% of the population. If we allow the words to disappear, we may lose Christmas forever, at least in public displays. It's a slippery slope, first they destroy it in stores, then schools, then any public place, pretty soon, Christmas is a distant memory. I won't shop where they don't acknowledge Christmas, it's really just a statement to those who have decided to ignore the holiday, it's all I can do.
Caine said:Nobody is Ignoring Christmas. They are just including others.
At these stores, I still see Christmas Trees sold... Christmas Cards... Christmas Decorations. Decorations for Nativity displays, the "christmas" colors of Red and Green everywhere. They just use the phrase Happy Holidays. I dont understand what is so wrong with that. They aren't ignoring christmas and christmas will not disappear because people choose to include others as well. You, sir, are indeed angry because Christmas isnt being held on a pedestal above all other religious holidays that occur at the end of the year. I mean, it already is on a pedestal, but, just because the other religious holidays are being included, this is worrying christians for some reason. What do you hear when you go into a mall? Christmas music. You see a Santa Clause and a Rudolph for kids to go talk to. There are stores in malls called the Holiday Store or something, but have Christmas items and nothing else. So, in conclusion, I think the christians who are, need to stop whining because people decide to include others when wishing people a happy holiday season. Christmas is already the main attraction during the year. Just because a few large retail stores decide to use Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas does not mean christmas is going to disappear. It will be around for a VERY.. VERY.. long time.
bandaidwoman said:I used to live in Long Island New York, so the chances were high I would be greeting someone who celebrated Hannukah around this time of year, hence, I used Happy Holidays. Currently my two neighbors are muslim, (one is a pharmacist and the other a basketball coach at Dekalb sshooll systems and his wife is a back up singer for Beyonce) I'm a Diest so I just use Happy Holidays
Deegan said:You have just not researched this as much as I have obviously, because it is an attack on Christmas, and it is real. Everything you mentioned, they want to change to holiday, holiday tree, holiday cards, etc, they want the bloody Christ out of it. They want to remove the crosses from the cemeteries at Arlington, this is an all out war on anything Christian, and your obvious anger shows how real the problem is. Some groups are pushy, some have shoved their morals down others throats, but that is not your average Christian, it is a very small percentage, and getting smaller daily.
Read the book "War on Christmas" it will open your eyes, but somehow I don't think you care enough to take the time.
Deegan said:You have just not researched this as much as I have obviously, because it is an attack on Christmas, and it is real. Everything you mentioned, they want to change to holiday, holiday tree, holiday cards, etc, they want the bloody Christ out of it. They want to remove the crosses from the cemeteries at Arlington, this is an all out war on anything Christian, and your obvious anger shows how real the problem is. Some groups are pushy, some have shoved their morals down others throats, but that is not your average Christian, it is a very small percentage, and getting smaller daily.
Read the book "War on Christmas" it will open your eyes, but somehow I don't think you care enough to take the time.
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