Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[gbg3]

Seems pretty fair and balanced coverage, don't you think? I sure do.

It was very fair and balanced and, clearly to Bret, Brit, and Jennifer Griffin, it was extremely significant and important breaking news. I was quite surprised, even amazed, to read a comment saying "BBC is talking about this, but neither foxnews nor CNN is. WTF?", because it was so very far from reality.

 

[bomberfox]

You haven't read any of the history of the "Palestinians" or what their culture is. You're a slave to nonfactual bull shit

Not many people on here actually do and palestinians should not be quoted.

 

[gbg3]

From that time forward I've pretty much relegated the Nobel Committee as being unserious, and yet another formerly great organization corrupted by leftist political agendas.

Yes, me too. When I got up this morning, I wondered about the Nobel Peace Prize. I figured I would see news right away when I signed onto my computer - but there was nothing at all showing in my newsfeed (which is full of current events and news). I thought, that's odd, since it is a pretty big deal. I actually had to google to learn who it had been awarded to. In that process, I saw some piece that said the nominations had to be in by Jan 31, thus Trump didn't qualify. I just laughed thinking about Obama and that date would have meant he was about 10 days into his presidency when the nominations which supposedly garnered his prize would have been made.

I agree with you, quite unserious!

Nevertheless, I'm blown away by the significance of this hostage release in a few days. Ever since I heard the breaking news on Baier's show, it's all I can think about. It's created the most significant, important, heartwarming, soul touching feeling I've had in a very long time. I simply love President Trump and his amazing team for their persistence and relentless efforts through the many, many steps (a couple of which Brit Hume briefly touched upon in my comment 642), leading to the outcome I so hope and expect to soon witness.

 

[Callen]

Yes, me too. When I got up this morning, I wondered about the Nobel Peace Prize. I figured I would see news right away when I signed onto my computer - but there was nothing at all showing in my newsfeed (which is full of current events and news). I thought, that's odd, since it is a pretty big deal. I actually had to google to learn who it had been awarded to.

Really, I checked my news at 6:30 AM and it was in all 6 publications I read first thing every morning.

 

[jmotivator]

I haven't given much credence to the Nobel Peace Price since they awarded one to Yasar Arafat.

As for this peace deal, it remains to be seen whether it holds, but if it does it will be largely due to efforts to destroy Hamas' material and logistics support throughout the Middle East.

Cratering the Iranian Regime and taking out the Hamas leadership in Qatar, made it impossible for Hamas to sustain the war any longer. The down stream effects of losing Yemeni support with the neutering of Iran also helped quite a bit... as did the Russian foolishness to invest all of its military assets to the Ukraine war which almost certainly has impacted any country that relies of Russian arms trade to maintain their armies.

The only significant military providers who would be willing to support Iran and it's satellites is China, and they are having severe problems of their own at this point.

I won't declare victory at this point, as mankind has a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but we've never actually been closer to lobal peace than we are right now, in my opinion. People could point to the fall of the Soviet Union as the closest we've come in the last 100 years, but there was far too much unaddressed animosity between the old Soviet states, in hindsight, to really expect peace to have flowed from the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

 

[eohrnberger]

It ain't CBS. If you want to stick your fingers in your ear and pray at the alter of Trump, go ahead. Just don't try to engage me in a conversation.

LOL. Suite yourself.
I'm sure that you still believe in the 'Very Fine People' hoax which was thoroughly debunked too.

 

[Tigerace117]

Here's a "far right" politician on unions:

https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt

Way to run from the question.

I get that historical ignorance is one of the defining traits of the American right, but handwaving away whatever facts you find inconvenient doesn’t actually change them.

 

[Tigerace117]

I haven't given much credence to the Nobel Peace Price since they awarded one to Yasar Arafat.

As for this peace deal, it remains to be seen whether it holds, but if it does it will be largely due to efforts to destroy Hamas' material and logistics support throughout the Middle East.

Cratering the Iranian Regime and taking out the Hamas leadership in Qatar, made it impossible for Hamas to sustain the war any longer. The down stream effects of losing Yemeni support with the neutering of Iran also helped quite a bit... as did the Russian foolishness to invest all of its military assets to the Ukraine war which almost certainly has impacted any country that relies of Russian arms trade to maintain their armies.

The only significant military providers who would be willing to support Iran and it's satellites is China, and they are having severe problems of their own at this point.

I won't declare victory at this point, as mankind has a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but we've never actually been closer to lobal peace than we are right now, in my opinion. People could point to the fall of the Soviet Union as the closest we've come in the last 100 years, but there was far too much unaddressed animosity between the old Soviet states, in hindsight, to really expect peace to have flowed from the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

The U.S. dropping bombs on empty dirt did nothing to “neuter” Iran, as it turns out. Israel’s genocidal rampage succeeded only in convincing numerous countries to recognize the Palestinians.

 

[Dans La Lune]

LOL. Suite yourself.
I'm sure that you still believe in the 'Very Fine People' hoax which was thoroughly debunked too.

I'm sure you believe Trump ain't involved with Epstein and ensuing cover-up. Gas-lighting only works for dummies.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Nope. What HAMAS wants is wiping out Israel and killing all the Jews. They make that very clear.

Right-wingers are notoriously lazy.

 

[jmotivator]

The U.S. dropping bombs on empty dirt did nothing to “neuter” Iran, as it turns out. Israel’s genocidal rampage succeeded only in convincing numerous countries to recognize the Palestinians.

LOL. Keep telling yourself that.

Iran is indeed neutered, their nuclear program is in shambles, their reach is reduced and their satellite forces are gone, their leadership has been decapitated. It's over for them.

Hamas was more than willing to use their people as human shields as long as the weapons and cash flowed to them from their leadership... who are now dead. So now, unable to fight, they agree to a cease fire.

Military and diplomatic efforts around the middle east effectively choked out Hamas.

 

[jmotivator]

Right-wingers are notoriously lazy.

Verbatim from the Hamas Covenant:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O’ Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him,”

 

[Tigerace117]

LOL. Keep telling yourself that.

Iran is indeed neutered, their nuclear program is in shambles, their reach is reduced and their satellite forces are gone, their leadership has been decapitated. It's over for them.

Hamas was more than willing to use their people as human shields as long as the weapons and cash flowed to them from their leadership... who are now dead. So now, unable to fight, they agree to a cease fire.

Military and diplomatic efforts around the middle east effectively choked out Hamas.

Uh….no it isn’t, because the U.S. didn’t actually hit their program. It hit an empty hole in the ground.

Israel has been trying to assassinate Iranian leaders for decades, and it’s never resulted in anything of note.

The Houthis are still very much in control of most of Yemen, so that’s yet another falsehood.

It’s about as “over” for them as it was for the North Vietnamese right before they started slaughtering all those American soldiers on Tet

Israel makes extensive use of civilians as human shields, as its own forces freely admit, which makes the cries about Hamas throughly worthless.

Gee, I’m sure the Israeli troops continuing to get killed in Gaza right up until the ceasefire would be very surprised to hear that

The US and Israel’s genocide has failed miserably.

 

[Tigerace117]

Verbatim from the Hamas Covenant:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O’ Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him,”

Israel has murdered more innocent civilians in one year than Hamas has in its entire history, and it isn’t even remotely close.

 

[Callen]

Two hundred American troops are on their way to Israel.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Verbatim from the Hamas Covenant:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O’ Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him,”

The notion that Hamas is fighting just to kill Jews is a banal simplification of the entire paradigm. Hamas doesn't exist outside of Israeli occupation to begin with. Beyond that it was propped up by Netanyahu to divide Palestinians.

And Israel is directly responsible for the negative perception of Jews in the region, since they engage in mass destruction while claiming to represent all Jews. Constantly razing Gaza under the guise of "We're the Jews!!" tends to pay negative dividends.

As I said, right-wingers are notoriously lazy. They can't reason worth shit, and you've proven that along with the guy I quoted. There are of course millions of other examples.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Israel has murdered more innocent civilians in one year than Hamas has in its entire history, and it isn’t even remotely close.

There are also more Palestinian children held hostage by Israel, without charge, than the entire Israeli hostage roster post-October 7th in Gaza.

 

[jmotivator]

The notion that Hamas is fighting just to kill Jews is a banal simplification of the entire paradigm. Hamas doesn't exist outside of Israeli occupation to begin with. Beyond that it was propped up by Netanyahu to divide Palestinians.

And Israel is directly responsible for the negative perception of Jews in the region, since they engage in mass destruction while claiming to represent all Jews. Constantly razing Gaza under the guise of "We're the Jews!!" tends to pay negative dividends.

As I said, right-wingers are notoriously lazy. They can't reason worth shit, and you've proven that along with the guy I quoted. There are of course millions of other examples.

The notion that Hamas is just fighting to kill Jews is taken directly from the Hamas charter. It is their stated goal to eradicate the Jews.

If anyone ever wonders how Europe could allow Hitler to come to power when he spelled out his intentions so clearly in advance in Mein Kompf I can just point to arguments like yours as a microcosm of the kind of delusion that fueled it.

 

[Felis Leo]

Israel has murdered more innocent civilians in one year than Hamas has in its entire history, and it isn’t even remotely close.

To add: the Israelis have murdered more civilians in one year than every single Palestinian resistance group combined has killed since 1948.

 

[eohrnberger]

I'm sure you believe Trump ain't involved with Epstein and ensuing cover-up. Gas-lighting only works for dummies.

That particular case seems far more likely to be a bad case of over promising and under delivering than anything else.
Already well established that Trump and Epstein were 'friends' years ago, and had a falling out also years ago, and that's about it.
Can you produce an Epstein flight log which has Trump on it? Or are you just peddling politically convenient CTs here?

 

[stevecanuck]

Nope. What HAMAS wants is wiping out Israel and killing all the Jews. They make that very clear.

Israel agreed to this ceasefire because the terms meet Israel's wartime objectives: Return of all the Hostages, and Disarmament/Removal of HAMAS as a Threat from a position of being in power in Gaza.

HAMAS is making questionable noises about that second condition, so, this may still break down :-/ We will see.

Anyone who has taken the time to read Hamas' founding charter of 1988 knows that Hamas would have to do a 180 to agree to this plan. Here are a few choice quotes from it:

• Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
• [Hamas] believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.
• Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where Palestine is concerned, is null and void.
• So-called peaceful solutions ... are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
• There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

 

[cpwill]

Anyone who has taken the time to read Hamas' founding charter of 1988 knows that Hamas would have to do a 180 to agree to this plan. Here are a few choice quotes from it:

• Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
• [Hamas] believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

* It's worth remembering - Islamists are religiously compelled to claim that any land once conquered by Islam belongs always to Islam. They still claim Spain. Westerners severely underestimate what they are asking of HAMAS et. al. when they assume that they can simply blithely recognize the existence of Israel to get to a two-state deal.

 

[cpwill]

Kinda nuts, but, yeah, I literally laughed out loud.

 

[Tigerace117]

Kinda nuts, but, yeah, I literally laughed out loud.

Except for the inconvenient fact that no game has “changed”

 

[Mr Person]

Much like Democrats are basically immunized to Republicans accusing them of Socialism, and Republicans are immunized to Democrats accusing them of Fascism, I think Israelis are basically at this point increasingly immunized to folks accusing the IDF of Genocide.

That's worrisome to me. We are teaching the Israeli public to associate accusations of "Genocide" with "Defending Ourselves", just as we taught Republicans to associate accusations of "Fascism" with "They must think he can win" and just as we taught Democrats to associate accusations of "Socialism" with "programs to help the poor". If Palestinians are unable to accept this peace and continue to initiate conflict, it is not implausible that eventually Israelis decide that the only way for their children to be safe is to Do The Thing We Are Being Accused Of Anyway. I don't think it's likely at this point, but the path is worryingly visible.

You were on point until you used Israel/Gaza to get into the dishonest both-sides crap.

When right wingers call Democrats socialists, they are simply lying. Democrats do not advocate ownership of the means of production (and it is Trump who has the government taking ownership stakes in companies that are part of the means of production, but anyway). All the right wingers really meant is "I oppose government programs that help people who aren't me because that costs me tax dollars". But that sounds selfish and vulgar, so they instead just lied and called Democrats socialists.

Meanwhile, the Trump admin is doing explicitly fascist things. Abusing basic research grant funding to force private universities to align with its messaging, right down to establishing a program that says if you want to be able to get funds, you gotta sign this document agreeing to sing our tune. Deporting people lawfully here because they protested Israel. Sending the National Guard and now trying to send the military to blue cities to try to provoke a confrontation to be used as basis for martial law. Mass removals of a class of persons who have been othered, instead of the promised focus on criminal aliens (which is what the Democrats had done). And on and on and on.


Israel/Gaza is very different situation, and the motives are very different. If someone is screaming "genocide", it may be for a number of reasons. Most have to do with Hamas hijacking the left's generally laudable desire to stand up for the oppressed to the point that the speaker is willing to ignore and/or lie about reality so as to feel comfortable issuing the most ridiculous blanket statements about the target.