Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[snakestretcher]

Israel refuses to stop stealing other people’s land and declaring that “essential to its survival”, yes.

A certain Bavarian army gefreiter said much the same; lebensraum.

 

[snakestretcher]

There is nothing blind about my statement there either. "Israel keeping the West Bank for themselves" is an appropriate reaction to such an outrageous accusation. It's really quite poetic. Justice can be beautiful sometimes.

Idiotic post to add to the rest of your equally ignorant input. And no, nothing you say is correct-except in your own mind.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

In a post to Truth Social on Friday morning, Trump said he was giving Hamas a "last chance," or Hamas fighters would be "quickly extinguished."

Why didn't they just "quickly extinguish" them a couple of years or decades ago?

LOL. Crooked donnie trump, what an idiot.

 

[snakestretcher]

Hamas is not a Gazan nationalist group; they are a Palestinian nationalist group. Pretty amazing you can’t comprehend that.

I tried explaining that both the Gaza strip and the West Bank are Palestinian territory, despite the distance between the two-much like New York city and Las Angeles are both parts of the US, but he's not listening.

 

[Tigerace117]

I tried explaining that both the Gaza strip and the West Bank are Palestinian territory, despite the distance between the two-much like New York city and Las Angeles are both parts of the US, but he's not listening.

For someone whose username is supposedly all about “rationality”, he’s awfully unable to comprehend really basic facts about the conflict.

 

[snakestretcher]

There is not. The mis/disinformation campaign around this conflict has been the widest reaching most impressive such campaigns that I've ever seen. For the average left- leaning Westerner, it must have been like being an average Russian when the Ukraine war kicked off; all your media feeds were suddenly selling the same dishonest picture of a vicious Other.

Yes, that misinformation comes from the Israeli propaganda machine; lie after lie after easily debunked lie.

Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation

Israel has a history of spreading disinformation to cover up war crimes, from white phosphorus use to false claims about journalists and civilians killed.

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Anatomy of an Israeli disinformation campaign

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www.lemonde.fr

The Dozen Ds That Drive Israel’s Propaganda

The past six months of Israeli-Palestinian warfare have witnessed levels of military ferocity, human suffering, societal destruction, and mass political activism unprecedented in this century-long battle. One aspect of Zionism has consistently buttressed Israel’s survival and expansion. That is...

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[cpwill]

Yes, that misinformation comes from the Israeli propaganda machine; lie after lie after easily debunked lie.

Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation

Israel has a history of spreading disinformation to cover up war crimes, from white phosphorus use to false claims about journalists and civilians killed.

imeu.org

Anatomy of an Israeli disinformation campaign

COLUMN. Benjamin Netanyahu's government has financed an anti-Palestinian smear campaign targeting Jewish, African-American and progressive audiences in the US, writes columnist Jean-Pierre Filiu.

www.lemonde.fr

The Dozen Ds That Drive Israel’s Propaganda

The past six months of Israeli-Palestinian warfare have witnessed levels of military ferocity, human suffering, societal destruction, and mass political activism unprecedented in this century-long battle. One aspect of Zionism has consistently buttressed Israel’s survival and expansion. That is...

arabcenterdc.org

Hey Snake! Still denying widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was struck by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket?

 

[snakestretcher]

Hey Snake! Still denying widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli Hospital was struck by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket?

I'm denying nothing, and never did. I suggest you rein-in your opinions or quit lying about what you imagine people said. Capisce? Of course you have the option of believing Israeli propaganda which has lied so often I lost count.

 

[Spock]

WW2 went on for six years. There were no 'current events' then either, merely a continuum, just like the Palestine-Israel conflict, ongoing for over 100 years.

Israel and the Palestinians: History of the conflict explained

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people is one of the longest-running in the world.

www.bbc.co.uk

Why limit it to 100 years? You should be looking at >5000 years of Middle East conflict.
However, the current events concern October 7 and Hamas.

 

[cpwill]

I'm denying nothing, and never did.

Perhaps I am misremembering. So what is your position on those two items?

 

[Spock]

Well, see if your country had been under illegal occupation for 70 years, if you were born in and lived in an open air prison all your life, surrounded by 50-foot walls, armed watch towers, had every aspect of your life controlled by a European coloniser, including life's necessities (food, water, power), if you had 700,000 of your people forcibly expelled from their homes and land to make room for the interlopers, had 50 villages torched and now 60,000 of your fellow citizens killed in an ongoing genocide, what would you have done? To add to that there was Zionist terrorism, the bombing of the King David hotel, the Sergeant's Affair, the Sabra and Shatila massacres. You tell me who the terrorists are and who should 'compromise'.
Live a week in a Palestinian's shoes, I imagine your attitude might alter somewhat.

Every "people" considers themselves to be uniquely sufferers of life's conditions and tribulations.
The primary reason that conflict exists in the Middle East now is the determination of Palestinians, aided by Iranian Islamists, to eliminate Israel and Jews.

 

[snakestretcher]

Perhaps I am misremembering. So what is your position on those two items?

The same as always; Palestine has every right, under international law, to resist a belligerent occupier militarily. That's the same international law that Israel has been violating with impunity for decades. Anything else I can help with?

 

[Spock]

My goodness, it’s been explained to you several times now but here you go again:

“The restrictions on movement and goods in Gaza imposed by Israel date to the early 1990s. After Hamas took over in 2007, Israel significantly intensified existing movement restrictions and imposed a complete blockade on the movement of goods and people in and out of the Gaza Strip.”

That is not war. Gaza retained autonomy for activities not related to pursuit of military aggression against Israel.

source

You’re nitpicking. Isreal has continued to wage war or conduct military operations or whatever euphemism you prefer which has included the usual multiple civilian deaths. This occurred many times between 2008 and 2023.

You are engaging in false equivalence. Restriction on certain imports is not war.

The Gazans are a desperate, oppressed people. It’s not difficult to understand why they haven’t rejected Hamas.

The best response to a bad decision is to stop making further bad decisions.

 

[snakestretcher]

Every "people" considers themselves to be uniquely sufferers of life's conditions and tribulations.
The primary reason that conflict exists in the Middle East now is the determination of Palestinians, aided by Iranian Islamists, to eliminate Israel and Jews.

Absolute garbage and blatant use of Israeli propaganda. Tell me, what is Israel's goal in driving Arabs from their ancestral homes and establishing a Zionist ethno-state, free of pesky Muslims?

 

[cpwill]

The same as always; Palestine has every right, under international law, to resist a belligerent occupier militarily. That's the same international law that Israel has been violating with impunity for decades. Anything else I can help with?

Yup. I asked if you denied widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli hospital was struck by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket and not (as HAMAS claimed) by an IDF aerial bombing.

You seem to be dancing around addressing that.

 

[Spock]

There is not. The mis/disinformation campaign around this conflict has been the widest reaching most impressive such campaigns that I've ever seen. For the average left- leaning Westerner, it must have been like being an average Russian when the Ukraine war kicked off; all your media feeds were suddenly selling the same dishonest picture of a vicious Other.

Do you understand what happened on Oct 7, 2023?

October 7 attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cpwill]

Do you understand what happened on Oct 7, 2023?

October 7 attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somewhat - though I wouldn't lean on Wikipedia anymore as a source. Why do you ask?

 

[Spock]

Absolute garbage and blatant use of Israeli propaganda. Tell me, what is Israel's goal in driving Arabs from their ancestral homes and establishing a Zionist ethno-state, free of pesky Muslims?

Jews have been in the Middle East for more than 5000 years.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yup. I asked if you denied widespread rape on Oct 7th, and that the al-Ahli hospital was struck by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket and not (as HAMAS claimed) by an IDF aerial bombing.

You seem to be dancing around addressing that.

There probably were incidents of rape. Just like these:

Israel is on notice for using sexual violence against Palestinians. It’s all too common as a war tactic

Horrific allegations of gang rape and reports of the targeting of reproductive facilities have alarmed the international community, but sadly, the strategy is not new.

theconversation.com

Video of Sexual Abuse at Israeli Prison Is Just Latest Evidence Sde Teiman Is a Torture Site

Israeli abuse of Palestinians at the military prison has been reported for months. The U.S. is asking the Israeli military to investigate itself.

theintercept.com

 

[Spock]

There probably were incidents of rape. Just like these:

Israel is on notice for using sexual violence against Palestinians. It’s all too common as a war tactic

Horrific allegations of gang rape and reports of the targeting of reproductive facilities have alarmed the international community, but sadly, the strategy is not new.

theconversation.com

Video of Sexual Abuse at Israeli Prison Is Just Latest Evidence Sde Teiman Is a Torture Site

Israeli abuse of Palestinians at the military prison has been reported for months. The U.S. is asking the Israeli military to investigate itself.

theintercept.com

False equivalence.

 

[snakestretcher]

Jews have been in the Middle East for more than 5000 years.

So what? It doesn't give European Jewish colonists the right to ethnically cleanse the Arab population so they could move in. Or does it? If you're Jewish and state that 'god' promised them the land, I guess so. Whose 'god'?

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www.palestine-studies.org

 

[cpwill]

There probably were incidents of rape.

Cool. What you were asked was:

Do you deny widespread rape (your equivocating suggests "yes"?), and
Do you deny that al-Ahli - which HAMAS claimed was hit by IDF aerial bombing - was in fact struck by a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket?

 

[L88]

Absolute garbage and blatant use of Israeli propaganda. Tell me, what is Israel's goal in driving Arabs from their ancestral homes and establishing a Zionist ethno-state, free of pesky Muslims?

21%of the population in Israel is Arab.

 

[snakestretcher]

False equivalence.

Rape is till rape irrespective of who the perpetrators are. So why the "false equivalence"? Is murder different depending on who does the killing? Try harder.

 

[cpwill]

21%of the population in Israel is Arab.

* and they are full citizens, serve in the highest levels of government and live better, freer lives than Arabs do in any other Middle Eastern state.