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Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

Bush Lawyer said:
And so long as Israel keeps stealing land through settlers on the West Bank etc, 'meaningful progress won't happen.'
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They aren't. That's rhetoric.

Bush Lawyer said:
Israel has a security guarantee, it always has...the United Stares of America which has been propping it up for decades to the tune of hundreds of billions of US Dollars. Why, out of al the emerging Countries over t6he World since 1950, did the United States single out Israel to the sole beneficiary of such extraordinary on going largesse and blind eye support?
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You really should learn about the history of the area to answer this question.
 
Bush Lawyer said:
And so long as Israel keeps stealing land through settlers on the West Bank etc, 'meaningful progress won't happen.'

Israel has a security guarantee, it always has...the United Stares of America which has been propping it up for decades to the tune of hundreds of billions of US Dollars. Why, out of al the emerging Countries over t6he World since 1950, did the United States single out Israel to the sole beneficiary of such extraordinary on going largesse and blind eye support?
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I believe the U.S. supports Egypt to an equal extent (subject to fact-checking rebuttal).
 
stevecanuck said:
I believe the U.S. supports Egypt to an equal extent (subject to fact-checking rebuttal).
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Nothing like the support it gives to Israel. You can do a simple Google yourself.
 
Bush Lawyer said:
Nothing like the support it gives to Israel. You can do a simple Google yourself.
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It appears you're right. When I lived in Egypt in the 80's and 90's, I was told by several military people that it was about equal. So, not any more.
 
Decypher said:
As I said, you won’t discuss the West Bank because it destroys your position on Gaza, so I’ll take that as a concession.
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"taking that as a concession" would be consistent with your other faulty judgments.
Decypher said:
Gaza isn’t a state and Isreal did not relinquish control over it as I have demonstrated, contrary to your previous assertion.
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Gaza had restrictions on arms appropriately as it turns out.
Decypher said:
So it proves that Isreal continued to wage war in Gaza after the withdrawal.
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Restrictions on arms is not warfare. Fail again.
Decypher said:
An oppressed people have few options.

Anyway, this is a poor response from you, that @dcsports thought it was worthy of “liking” shows how the pro-Zionist position has little merit.
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The best course for Gaza would be a surrender by Hamas.
 
Aristaeus said:
The goal of Israel is the elimination of Palestine by preventing it from becoming a state.
It's why Israel steals land and attacks Palestinians in the West Bank even though the PA in the West Bank recognises Israel's right to exist and doesn't attack Israel.
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Palestinians continue to lose battles with Israel yet cannot accept that Israel is not going away. Until Palestinians stop supporting terrorism and the goal of eliminating Jews, there will be no peace.
 
snakestretcher said:
What do you mean "the current war"? This is just the latest episode in a conflict which has been ongoing since the 19th century. If a bunch of European foreigners expel you, take over your home, steal your land, what should you do; welcome them with flowers and a smile and hand over your keys-or fight? Palestinians chose to fight, as did the French resistance under Nazi occupation, as did the brave Poles. Nobody called the French or the Poles 'terrorists', except the invading occupiers. Regardless of what the international community which supports Israel calls them, the Palestinians have the right, under international law of armed conflict, to armed resistance against a belligerent occupier-Israel. See below:

Quote; "Members of the [occupied] territory's armed forces who have not surrendered, organised resistance movements and genuine national liberation movements, may resist the occupier".

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You make no distinction between Gaza on October 7, 2023 and Gaza in October 2025.
Apparently you do not follow current events.
 
dcsports said:
Because you've been vague/not specific. Each time I've corrected statements, you've either jumped to something else, circled around to the same debunked items, or lapsed into name calling and insults. I'm not interested.

Again, this thread isn't about me. Happy to discuss the topic if you can stick to that. Take care.
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Except no, I haven’t. I’ve extensively documented the ways Israel has violated international law, and you’ve defaulted to wailing “no! The Jewish state is immune to international law, because it says so!”

Blind denial doesn’t change the facts.
 
stevecanuck said:
Which is why Hamas has to go. Their founding charter is very clear that they will keep killing Jews until they destroy Israel for Islam.
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Gaza and the choices those Palestinians in Gaza made is the best demonstration that a two state solution cannot exist.
Israel will need security guarantees that cannot apparently occur in any Palestinian state allowed the autonomy to control all activities within its borders. The choice of Hamas as the governing power and October 7 demonstrate that Palestinians cannot make the right choices.
 
Spock said:
Gaza and the choices those Palestinians in Gaza made is the best demonstration that a two state solution cannot exist.
Israel will need security guarantees that cannot apparently occur in any Palestinian state allowed the autonomy to control all activities within its borders. The choice of Hamas as the governing power and October 7 demonstrate that Palestinians cannot make the right choices.
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Its so odd to watch people really come to the conclusion that now is when they can push for a Palestinian state.

It's like arguing for an "al-Qa'ida Airlines" to run flights in and out of New York in 2004. No. No the relevant nation state is not going to accept that risk.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except no, I haven’t. I’ve extensively documented the ways Israel has violated international law,
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No, you can't even define how they did so, or what 'international law' was violated. Please refer to the thread above.

Tigerace117 said:
and you’ve defaulted to wailing “no! The Jewish state is immune to international law, because it says so!”
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Not only did I not say this, but I pointed this false statement to you a number of times.

Tigerace117 said:
Blind denial doesn’t change the facts.
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And yet, you deny the facts.
 
dcsports said:
No, you can't even define how they did so, or what 'international law' was violated. Please refer to the thread above.


Not only did I not say this, but I pointed this out a number of times.



And yet, you deny the facts.
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We’ve already throughly seen you flailing around trying to avoid the fact Israel’s settlements are blatantly illegal under international law, yes.

The facts are that Israel is led by a war criminal and is actively violating international law, yes
 
Tigerace117 said:
We’ve already throughly seen you flailing around trying to avoid the fact Israel’s settlements are blatantly illegal under international law, yes.

The facts are that Israel is led by a war criminal and is actively violating international law, yes
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roflol. You still can't articulate the 'international law' - and worth noting that you are trying to take a different approach now. 'Flailing' would be a good description of it.

This is getting pretty old. Again, not interested in your childish insults and other deflection.
 
dcsports said:
roflol. You still can't articulate the 'international law' - and worth noting that you are trying to take a different approach now. 'Flailing' would be a good description of it.

This is getting pretty old. Again, not interested in your childish insults and other deflection.
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It’s worth noting that you were presented with extensive evidence, and instead of acknowledging literally any of it you defaulted to blindly wailing “vague” over and over in utter panic.

Israel doesn’t get to steal other people’s land just because it really, really wants it. No matter how much you try and avoid that fact
 
Common Sense 1 said:

This is in response to a proposal from president Trump.​

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It's in response to Israel leveling Gaza. Trump just swooped in to say "give them what they want or else I won't stop them", which means nothing because Israel was not going to stop.

The sycophatnic ass-licking is truly disgusting.
 
Bush Lawyer said:
And so long as Israel keeps stealing land through settlers on the West Bank etc, 'meaningful progress won't happen.'
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That's not theft. Israel gets to keep the West Bank for themselves now because of the false accusations that they committed genocide.


Bush Lawyer said:
Israel has a security guarantee, it always has...the United Stares of America which has been propping it up for decades to the tune of hundreds of billions of US Dollars. Why, out of al the emerging Countries over the World since 1950, did the United States single out Israel to the sole beneficiary of such extraordinary on going largesse
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Because Israel are fellow good guys and their cause is just.


Bush Lawyer said:
and blind eye support?
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There is nothing blind about our support. We know that we stand among the righteous.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
That's not theft. Israel gets to keep the West Bank for themselves now because of the false accusations that they committed genocide.



Because Israel are fellow good guys and their cause is just.



There is nothing blind about our support. We know that we stand among the righteous.
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Yep, nothing blind about your support, apart from this, is all, for example:

That's not theft. Israel gets to keep the West Bank for themselves now because of the false accusations that they committed genocide.
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