Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[snakestretcher]

Israel attempted to control the materials of war.... apparently inadequately.

Hamas is the current government of Gaza.

Hamas is supported by sufficient Gazans to comfortably function and receive support.

So? Hamas apparently is unable to make appropriate military decisions given the fact of asymmetric power.

Nope. Hamas is responsible for the current war.

Israel is at war with Hamas, but you can fabricate all the false arguments you think will support your flawed conceptions about the Middle East conflicts because your opinions are disconnected from history and reality.
The biggest absurdity is that Israel is somehow responsible for Oct 7 and the subsequent consequences.

What do you mean "the current war"? This is just the latest episode in a conflict which has been ongoing since the 19th century. If a bunch of European foreigners expel you, take over your home, steal your land, what should you do; welcome them with flowers and a smile and hand over your keys-or fight? Palestinians chose to fight, as did the French resistance under Nazi occupation, as did the brave Poles. Nobody called the French or the Poles 'terrorists', except the invading occupiers. Regardless of what the international community which supports Israel calls them, the Palestinians have the right, under international law of armed conflict, to armed resistance against a belligerent occupier-Israel. See below:

Quote; "Members of the [occupied] territory's armed forces who have not surrendered, organised resistance movements and genuine national liberation movements, may resist the occupier".

https://www.icrc.org/sites/default/files/external/doc/en/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

 

[dcsports]

What about “has repeatedly, explicitly been declared illegal under international law” is “vague”?

How? By illegally colonizing other people’s land, for starters.

It's pretty vague, and also a new approach.

We've also covered - the land is in Israel. The armistice established temporary boundaries, which had to be moved for security reasons. Borders with neighboring countries were established decades ago by treaty. It's up to the 'Palestinians' to work through a permanent arrangement, and they've chosen violence instead.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's pretty vague, and also a new approach.

We've also covered - the land is in Israel. The armistice established temporary boundaries, which had to be moved for security reasons. Borders with neighboring countries were established decades ago by treaty. It's up to the 'Palestinians' to work through a permanent arrangement, and they've chosen violence instead.

Uh….no, it isn’t. These rulings have been handed down for decades. And there is nothing “vague” about their rulings.

“In 2024, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) found in an advisory opinion that Israel's occupation was illegal and ruled that Israel had "an obligation to cease immediately all new settlement activities and to evacuate all settlers" from the occupied territories.”

“In Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (2004), the ICJ found that Israel's settlements and the then-nascent Israeli West Bank barrier were both in violation of international law; part of the latter has been constructed within the West Bank, as opposed to being entirely on Israel's side of the Green Line.”

The UN has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements in the occupied territories constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

“The consensus of the international community – the vast majority of states, the overwhelming majority of legal experts, the International Court of Justice and the UN – is that settlements are in violation of international law.

After the Six-Day War, in 1967, Theodor Meron, legal counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry stated in a legal opinion to the Prime Minister,

"My conclusion is that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

This legal opinion was sent to Prime Minister Levi Eshkol. However, it was not made public at the time. The Labor cabinet allowed settlements despite the warning. This paved the way for future settlement growth. In 2007, Meron stated that "I believe that I would have given the same opinion today."

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

“Security reasons” don’t allow you immunity from international law either. That argument has already been rejected by the international community.

The Palestinians have no obligation to accept the illegal Israeli colonization of their land, actually.

 

[cpwill]

Instead of accepting the deal, HAMAS insisted it would remain part of Gazan governance.

Now it is insisting Israel withdraw as a condition of HAMAS deigning to even enter into negotiations with it.

MSN

...The Saudi channel Asharq reports that Hamas is presenting a series of demands ahead of talks that are set to begin tomorrow in Egypt.

These include a complete ceasefire, the withdrawal of the IDF to the positions it held during the implementation of the previous deal in January – meaning outside populated areas in the Strip – as well as the suspension of fighter jet and drone activity for 10 hours a day, and for 12 hours on days when hostages are released.

...According to the sources, Hamas is demanding that these measures be applied throughout the entire period of negotiations, which may last a week or longer.

A Palestinian source close to Hamas told AFP: “During communications with mediators, Hamas insisted that it is essential for Israel to halt military operations across all areas of the Gaza Strip, cease all air, reconnaissance, and drone activity, and withdraw from inside Gaza City,” adding that the group would “also halt their military operations” in parallel.

It was also reported that in the previous deal, Israel objected to the release of 50 Palestinian prisoners, including senior figures from Fatah, Hamas, and other groups – among them Marwan Barghouti, Ahmad Sa’adat, Ibrahim Hamed, Hassan Salameh, and Abbas Sayyed.

According to the report, Hamas now demands that Israel drop its objections and release them...​

Looks like the people supposedly being Genocided aren't sure they actually want to end the "Genocide".

In negotiations, the side that wants it more typically loses. Trump wants this deal more than HAMAS does (and they appear to know that), so they will probably take him for a ride. We will see, I guess.

 

[dcsports]

Uh….no, it isn’t. ...

You're trying a new approach now = flailing. Tie up the other loose threads and we can discuss this one at a more appropriate time.

 

[dcsports]

Instead of accepting the deal, HAMAS insisted it would remain part of Gazan governance.

Now it is insisting Israel withdraw as a condition of HAMAS deigning to even enter into negotiations with it.

MSN

...The Saudi channel Asharq reports that Hamas is presenting a series of demands ahead of talks that are set to begin tomorrow in Egypt.​

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These include a complete ceasefire, the withdrawal of the IDF to the positions it held during the implementation of the previous deal in January – meaning outside populated areas in the Strip – as well as the suspension of fighter jet and drone activity for 10 hours a day, and for 12 hours on days when hostages are released.​

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...According to the sources, Hamas is demanding that these measures be applied throughout the entire period of negotiations, which may last a week or longer.​

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A Palestinian source close to Hamas told AFP: “During communications with mediators, Hamas insisted that it is essential for Israel to halt military operations across all areas of the Gaza Strip, cease all air, reconnaissance, and drone activity, and withdraw from inside Gaza City,” adding that the group would “also halt their military operations” in parallel.​

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It was also reported that in the previous deal, Israel objected to the release of 50 Palestinian prisoners, including senior figures from Fatah, Hamas, and other groups – among them Marwan Barghouti, Ahmad Sa’adat, Ibrahim Hamed, Hassan Salameh, and Abbas Sayyed.​

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According to the report, Hamas now demands that Israel drop its objections and release them...​

Looks like the people supposedly being Genocided aren't sure they actually want to end the "Genocide".

In negotiations, the side that wants it more typically loses. Trump wants this deal more than HAMAS does (and they appear to know that), so they will probably take him for a ride. We will see, I guess.

Expected. Hamas has a long history of asking for a cease fire and time to recover - then they proceed with their next attack.

 

[Tigerace117]

You're trying a new approach now = flailing. Tie up the other loose threads and we can discuss this one at a more appropriate time.

I get that you are completely unable to face up to the fact Israel is a rogue state led by a war criminal and systematically violating international law, but blind denial doesn’t actually make the facts go away.

But now that we’ve throughly established the “Jewish state” doesn’t get to steal other people’s land just because it really, really wants too….

 

[dcsports]

I get that you are [deflection removed]

Thread isn't about me. And I'm not interested in your deflection.

 

[Tigerace117]

Thread isn't about me. And I'm not interested in your deflection.

You not being interested in the fact Israel’s actions are blatantly in violation of international law— and no, it’s not “vague”, as I pretty conclusively proved they’ve been explicitly saying so for decades— doesn’t actually make that reality go away, sorry

 

[dcsports]

You not being interested in the fact Israel’s actions are blatantly in violation of international law— and no, it’s not “vague”, as I pretty conclusively proved they’ve been explicitly saying so for decades— doesn’t actually make that reality go away, sorry

Yes, you've made vague accusations - primarily fixated on the ICC, which doesn't have jurisdiction. You've proven that you aren't familiar with the history and issues involved. Not sure why you keep chasing your tail on that.

Again, happy to discuss when you get some clarity on what you see as the issue.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes, you've made vague accusations - primarily fixated on the ICC, which doesn't have jurisdiction. You've proven that you aren't familiar with the history and issues involved. Not sure why you keep chasing your tail on that.

Again, happy to discuss when you get some clarity on what you see as the issue.

Uh…no, I haven’t. I stated Israel was violating international law; then I provided extensive details showing that such rulings had been made for decades. Nothing about that is “vague”.

We’ve already been over this as well. International law applies no matter how desperately a country shrieks that its religion means it can do whatever it wants.

Coming from the guy unable to face up to the fact Israel used terrorism to gain its independence, wails of historical ignorance carry no weight.

“Discuss” what? You’ve literally just buried your head in the sand and screamed “no no no I won’t face it I won’t!”

 

[Visbek]

Looks like the people supposedly being Genocided aren't sure they actually want to end the "Genocide".

MW's definition of genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group."

Funny how "leaping at any opportunity to surrender" isn't part of that definition.

In negotiations, the side that wants it more typically loses.

No, that's not how it works. There are all sorts of dynamics involved in negotiations, including factors like "a lack of trust."

For example, there is little doubt that in the 1970s, the North Vietnamese had a stronger desire to kick the US military out of Vietnam than the US had either the desire to leave or to stay. There were also a LOT more casualties on the North Vietnamese side than on the US or South Vietnamese side.

And yet, the North Vietnamese did not fold to US demands. Care to explain?

Trump wants this deal more than HAMAS does (and they appear to know that), so they will probably take him for a ride. We will see, I guess.

Chump will get played no matter what. He's a narcissistic fool, and both sides of this conflict know it.

 

[dcsports]

Uh…no, I haven’t. [deflection removed]

You have. Over and over. See #360

 

[Tigerace117]

You have. Over and over. See #360

Claiming something is “vague” because you don’t want to acknowledge the information provided doesn’t actually change the facts dude

 

[dcsports]

Claiming something is “vague” because[deflection removed]

Because it's vague, and despite 15 pages, you can't seem to articulate what your concern is.

 

[Tigerace117]

Because it's vague, and despite 15 pages, you can't seem to articulate what your concern is.

…..no, it isn’t. You’ve just been wailing “vague” over and over because you’ve managed to convince yourself if you simply bury your head in the sand it makes the clearly stated facts go away.

 

[dcsports]

…..no, it isn’t. You’ve just been wailing “vague” [deflection removed]

Because you've been vague/not specific. Each time I've corrected statements, you've either jumped to something else, circled around to the same debunked items, or lapsed into name calling and insults. I'm not interested.

Again, this thread isn't about me. Happy to discuss the topic if you can stick to that. Take care.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

More garbage and lying propaganda.

Wrong again. Everything that I say is true.

It doesn't work;

I disagree. I believe that telling the truth has value.

you'll get the message one day.

No. I'll always tell the truth.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

You’ve made this bizarre claim before but it remains as fact free as all your other posts on every other subject.

Wrong again. Everything that I say is true. That is why no one can ever point out anything untrue in my posts.

Israel is illegally settling the West Bank in contravention of international law.

Too bad. Israel is going to get away with it now.

I can play the world's smallest violin in tribute to the Palestinians' loss if you like, but nothing is going to change the fact that Israel is going to be allowed to keep the West Bank for themselves..

Israel is also conducting a genocide in Gaza. The two facts are related in that they demonstrate Isreal’s fundamental lack of respect for human decency and law but is not a causal relationship.

And neonazi hate speech just like what you posted here is exactly why Israel is going to get away with taking the West Bank for themselves.

Consequences haven't been this sweet since we dropped justice bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Some of the time they do though. Like when you discuss politics and history despite having little knowledge of either.

Wrong again. I always know what I am talking about. Which is why no one can ever point out anything untrue in my posts.

Israel is conducting an illegal genocide on a civilian population.

Thanks to neonazi hate speech like what you posted here, Israel will get to keep the West Bank all for themselves.

Isreal withdrew from Gaza yes, but “most academic commentators have continued to regard the Gaza Strip as being under Israeli occupation due to Israel's active control over the territory's external affairs, as affirmed by the 2024 International Court of Justice advisory opinion.”

Those people are lying.

Israel reoccupied Gaza in 2006 after Hamas was elected.

That is incorrect. A blockade is not an occupation.

Operation Cast Lead was in 2008. Operation Pillar of Defence was in 2012. 2014 saw Operator Protective Edge and then another invasion in 2021. Isreal had continued to wage war in Gaza on at least 5 occasions since it withdrew and put the enclave under siege.

Israel acted in self defense when the Palestinians illegally attacked them.

If Palestinians continue to support Hamas, it’s because they see them as the only thing standing in the way of obliteration by Israel.

No. Most Gazans genuinely support evil. Likely because they are subjected to Hamas brainwashing.

 

[Decypher]

Wrong again. Everything that I say is true. That is why no one can ever point out anything untrue in my posts.

Too bad. Israel is going to get away with it now.

I can play the world's smallest violin in tribute to the Palestinians' loss if you like, but nothing is going to change the fact that Israel is going to be allowed to keep the West Bank for themselves..

And neonazi hate speech just like what you posted here is exactly why Israel is going to get away with taking the West Bank for themselves.

Consequences haven't been this sweet since we dropped justice bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Wrong again. I always know what I am talking about. Which is why no one can ever point out anything untrue in my posts.

Thanks to neonazi hate speech like what you posted here, Israel will get to keep the West Bank all for themselves.

Those people are lying.

That is incorrect. A blockade is not an occupation.

Israel acted in self defense when the Palestinians illegally attacked them.

No. Most Gazans genuinely support evil. Likely because they are subjected to Hamas brainwashing.

Everythijg you write is untrue. But your biggest lie is that by calling Israel’s war crimes in Gaza a genocide, they get to keep the West Bank. God knows what sort of brain damage you suffered which led to making such ridiculous claims but it was cleanly severe. I’m sure you’ll be back to post some more crazy lies, and I’ll be here to point them out.

 

[Pepperdoodle]

I'll believe it when I hear it's done.
I won't hold my breath though.
They are an evil group and need to be dismantled.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Everythijg you write is untrue.

Wrong again. Everything I say is true. That is why no one can point out anything untrue in my posts.

But your biggest lie is that by calling Israel’s war crimes in Gaza a genocide, they get to keep the West Bank.

Wrong again. The truth isn't a lie.

Israel will be allowed to keep the West Bank. No one is going to do anything to stop them.

Well, I'm sure a handful of insignificant nations will impose sanctions for awhile. But it won't make any difference. Israel will receive enough support to disregard those nations.

But I'll be sure to play a tiny little violin for the Palestinians' loss.

God knows what sort of brain damage you suffered which led to making such ridiculous claims but it was cleanly severe.

Your name-calling and personal attacks are no substitute for a compelling argument based on facts and logic.

I’m sure you’ll be back to post some more crazy lies, and I’ll be here to point them out.

Wrong yet again. All I do is post the truth.

 

[Decypher]

Wrong again. Everything I say is true. That is why no one can point out anything untrue in my posts.



Wrong again. The truth isn't a lie.

Israel will be allowed to keep the West Bank. No one is going to do anything to stop them.

Well, I'm sure a handful of insignificant nations will impose sanctions for awhile. But it won't make any difference. Israel will receive enough support to disregard those nations.

But I'll be sure to play a tiny little violin for the Palestinians' loss.



Your name-calling and personal attacks are no substitute for a compelling argument based on facts and logic.



Wrong yet again. All I do is post the truth.

I’ve pointed out your lies before, most recently in my previous post. The connection between calling out Isreal’s genocide in Gaza and Israel illegally settling the West Bank doesn’t exist. Claiming so is a lie. Saying no one can point out your lies is another lie. I’m doing it right now. That brain damage must be more serious than I thought.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I’ve pointed out your lies before, most recently in my previous post.

No. You have merely falsely accused me of lying.

The connection between calling out Isreal’s genocide in Gaza and Israel illegally settling the West Bank doesn’t exist. Claiming so is a lie.

That is incorrect. Israel would not have been allowed to keep the West Bank before. Now they will be allowed to do so.

Saying no one can point out your lies is another lie. I’m doing it right now.

No, you are just falsely accusing me of lying. I always tell the truth.

That brain damage must be more serious than I thought.

More name-calling and personal attacks.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

Israel may have won the war, but the outcome also involved a brokered peace. The Palestinians aren’t without leverage—Israel doesn’t hold all the cards—but their position is weak. Both sides are meant to negotiate a long-term solution. Israel has already negotiated borders with its neighbors, leaving the Palestinians within those boundaries.

However, no agreement will come from Israel without firm assurances for the safety of its people—and they won't accept one that doesn't. Whether the future involves assimilation, a two-state solution, or even a three-state arrangement remains to be seen. But as long as terror attacks continue, meaningful progress won’t happen.

And so long as Israel keeps stealing land through settlers on the West Bank etc, 'meaningful progress won't happen.'

Israel has a security guarantee, it always has...the United Stares of America which has been propping it up for decades to the tune of hundreds of billions of US Dollars. Why, out of al the emerging Countries over t6he World since 1950, did the United States single out Israel to the sole beneficiary of such extraordinary on going largesse and blind eye support?