Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

[ALiberalModerate]

Don't try to make it two-sided though. For every case of 'Israeli teenagers harassing Palestinians' (Which does happen, is horribly wrong, and the state should do far more to stop it) there are far more cases of Palestinians who throw rocks at little Jewish kids or actual Palestinian jihadist terrorists going on a rampage and brutally murdering women, children, elderly, innocent people.

It's not comparable in any form or way. You just don't hear about these far more common incidents. When a Jew does something bad, you'll hear about it so much in the biased anti-Israeli left leaning media you'd think it's a daily occurrence - while it's not.

People die in wars. It's not the Allied fault that WWII had started and whatever casualties there are are on the Hamas monsters for bringing this war. I care about the children there mostly, those are pure. The ones who are adult enough are very likely to have supported Hamas themselves or some other form of unprovoked brutal barbaric violence against Jewish innocents, as too many of them had celebrated during October 7. It doesn't mean that there are no innocents among the adult population, it just means that there are also a lot who aren't and shouldn't be felt sorry for. Hamas itself along with Islamic Jihad and the other organizations including their non-combatant ranks were making quite the significant percentage of Gaza's population.

Argumentum ad populum. You engage in many logical fallacies. What you describe as the rest of the world is a loud indoctrinated group of people, they're not the only ones who exist and even if they were it wouldn't make their opinion on Israel and the fake accusations against it less appalling.

This is terror supporting.

This is lying.

What would you do if you cared for Israeli citizens and was responsible for their safety following October 7? Some imaginary nonsense I guess.

You seem to have this notion that you are living in London during the Blitz, or Verdun in World War 1.

 

[Apocalypse]

Quite literally miles from this, there were Israelis sipping coffee and wine in sidewalk cafes while this was happening.

This desperate line you keep recycling is a non-argument. Israelis live their life doesn't mean they're wrong to do so. In every war people lived their life, even during WWII, including Jews in camps who had culture and events and dances even.

The recycling and the evident desperation are proofs to the lack of thought put in your arguments and honestly to the sheer laziness of it all.

 

[Apocalypse]

You seem to have this notion that you are living in London during the Blitz, or Verdun in World War 1.

Difference between you and me is that I'm aware that if nothing is done to prevent it October 7 will happen again and again worse each time, and whether you like it or not that's not something the people are going to allow. No people would agree to live under such threat.

And while you're asked to give solutions of your own you choose to admit that you remain clueless as to solutions and are more keen on simply providing non-arguments as inputs to channel your emotions caused by the smearing campaign against Israel and do nothing else.

 

[Spock]

Current events are Israel committing genocide in hopes of being able to colonize Gaza, yes.

But if you’ve got any evidence that, say the partisans didn’t kill Heydrich or drive the Germans from Yugoslavia…let’s see it.

Israel had already proven surrender to be pointless, as has been repeatedly explained to you. Surrendering wouldn’t stop Israel from murdering Palestinian civilians.

Nope, it’s a recognition of Israel’s standard behavior.

Fail again. Your defense of resistance (others would say "terrorism") does not prove the ultimate value during WWII and you have not shown any evidence that Gaza now is better off than Gaza October 6, 2023 just before the Hamas attack on Israel. You did not address your own claims that Gazans should continue to support Hamas.
You have one more chance at honest discussion.
Explain why Gazans are better off continuing the war.

 

[Spock]

Are they going to teach Israeli teenagers not to run around in gangs harassing Palestinians? There are two sides to this problem, and neither side is innocent.

Israel has spent the last two years killing tens of thousands Palestinian children. If someone killed one of your children by bombing a refugee camp and another when they were lined up for food aid during a famine they imposed, could you forgive them? Its like going to the citizens of Nanking in 1945 and saying, "Kiss and make up with the Japanese."

I hear these arguments and I just think that this is willful ignorance at this point. Seriously, what war have y'all watched for the past 2 years, because it wasn't the war that literally the entire rest of the world watched and literally the entire rest of the world said, these are war crimes Israel is committing. That isn't the war y'all watched, so what what war was it, because whatever it was, it led you to a different take than the entire rest of the world has.

The events of 1/7 were horrific. Israel's actions have been literal orders of magnitude worse. They have killed at least 20,000 children. How can you expect the parents and loved ones of those children ever to forgive Israel? And this bullshit about "give the hostages up and it's over...", what does a family that has spent decades barely making it, only to have their meager home blown up, then the refugee camp they moved with what they could gather out of the rubble - bombed, how does that family return the hostages? It's literally like if the United States went to war with Haiti and didn't relent until the criminal gangs there gave us what we demanded.

Quite literally miles from this, there were Israelis sipping coffee and wine in sidewalk cafes while this was happening.

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If all this is so bad and devastating for Gaza, why doesn't Hamas surrender, disarm and release the hostages?

 

[Tigerace117]

Fail again. Your defense of resistance (others would say "terrorism") does not prove the ultimate value during WWII and you have not shown any evidence that Gaza now is better off than Gaza October 6, 2023 just before the Hamas attack on Israel. You did not address your own claims that Gazans should continue to support Hamas.
You have one more chance at honest discussion.
Explain why Gazans are better off continuing the war.

Yeah, the Nazis sure would call the resistance against them terrorism. Which shows why the term is worthless.

Tell that to the people living in what was Yugoslavia.

Israel’s genocidal campaign had indeed failed miserably to make Palestinians’ lives better, yes.

It is not “rational” to surrender to people who will kill you anyway, sorry

 

[Tigerace117]

If all this is so bad and devastating for Gaza, why doesn't Hamas surrender, disarm and release the hostages?

So Israel can continue the mass murder campaign without any resistance?

The Palestinians aren’t interested in that, no matter how much the war criminals in Tel Aviv whine.

 

[bythoughts]

So Israel can continue the mass murder campaign without any resistance?

The Palestinians aren’t interested in that, no matter how much the war criminals in Tel Aviv whine.

The Hamas kidnappers, by holding hostages, aren't doing anything militarily. They aren't even killing random Israelis. They're just looking for a deal to get some concessions for themselves.

The big joke is that if the Palestinians wanted to kill millions of Americans, even now, from right where they are, it wouldn't be hard. I mean, it's Alfred Bester stuff, all you need is Will and Idea. Doesn't take any equipment or any knowledge not known to watchers of mainstream news, though they would have some deaths themselves. I could tell you how in one minute and then you'd feel as guilty for not telling them as I do.

 

[Tigerace117]

The Hamas kidnappers, by holding hostages, aren't doing anything militarily. They aren't even killing random Israelis. They're just looking for a deal to get some concessions for themselves.

The big joke is that if the Palestinians wanted to kill millions of Americans, even now, from right where they are, it wouldn't be hard. I mean, it's Alfred Bester stuff, all you need is Will and Idea. Doesn't take any equipment or any knowledge not known to watchers of mainstream news, though they would have some deaths themselves. I could tell you how in one minute and then you'd feel as guilty for not telling them as I do.

If it was easy to kill millions of Americans Al Qaeda would have done so by now.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

Not yet, but when they are guys like you still wont give Trump credit

Correct or are you going to argue that he alone has been involved in trying to get to a resolution? Wasn't hefoi8ng to end this War on Day One? He could have ended it months ago by pulling USA material support for Israel. Instead, he decided to keep arming and financing it.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

If all this is so bad and devastating for Gaza, why doesn't Hamas surrender, disarm and release the hostages?

Because they are terrorists. Why are you not holding the government of Israel to a higher standard than terrorists.

In response to the Iran hostage crisis, should we have resorted to genocide in Iran? Should Mexico carpet bomb areas controlled by cartels? If not, why not considering those cartels make Hamas look like boyscouts.

 

[Decypher]

The people of Gaza could reject Hamas and end the war. It is very simple.

That wouldn’t satisfy Israel’s thirst for blood.

 

[Decypher]

Not when they are self defense.

Murdering children is never in self defence.

 

[stevecanuck]

That wouldn’t satisfy Israel’s thirst for blood.

This is the sort of spectacular bigotry that just boggles the mind.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is the sort of spectacular bigotry that just boggles the mind.

Israel has made it quite clear they are out to murder as many Palestinians as possible.

 

[Spock]

Yeah, the Nazis sure would call the resistance against them terrorism. Which shows why the term is worthless.

Tell that to the people living in what was Yugoslavia.

Israel’s genocidal campaign had indeed failed miserably to make Palestinians’ lives better, yes.

It is not “rational” to surrender to people who will kill you anyway, sorry

Final failure to defend your own claims.

 

[Tigerace117]

Final failure to defend your own claims.

Your inability to muster up any sort of argument is noted.

 

[Spock]

Because they are terrorists. Why are you not holding the government of Israel to a higher standard than terrorists.

In response to the Iran hostage crisis, should we have resorted to genocide in Iran? Should Mexico carpet bomb areas controlled by cartels? If not, why not considering those cartels make Hamas look like boyscouts.

Reason: Hamas is the elected authority of Gaza.
Gazan could end the impact of Hamas but apparently have chosen not to.
The fundamental reason why asymmetric guerrilla warfare works is support of the populace.

 

[Spock]

That wouldn’t satisfy Israel’s thirst for blood.

You don't know that, but it is a convenient trope that plays to support Hamas terrorism.

 

[Tigerace117]

Reason: Hamas is the elected authority of Gaza.
Gazan could end the impact of Hamas but apparently have chosen not to.
The fundamental reason why asymmetric guerrilla warfare works is support of the populace.

Hamas was elected well over a decade ago.

Israel’s genocidal tactics convince no one that they are a tolerable neighbor.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Murdering children is never in self defence.

That's why Israel's actions are 100% legal.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

This is the sort of spectacular bigotry that just boggles the mind.

Steve, are you turning a blind eye to the destruction and deaths which Israel is responsible for after October 7?

 

[Bush Lawyer]

That's why Israel's actions are 100% legal.

Self defence is legal, but there is a line which in the Court of Public opinion (and in International Tribunals findings) Israel has crossed. It cannot be white washed away as self defence and neither are the Holocaust and Oct 7 eternal excuses for garnering sympathy. I believe Israeli spokespersons have way too much over played those cards. Enough. I want Israel to stop, Palestine recognised and that does not mean I am pro Hamas or seeking to reward Hamas.

Humpty could have stopped this War on Day One if he truly meant to. Simple. Stop supplying Israel with money, weapons and moral support. Instead he chose the opposite and has received/welcomed Netanyahu more times at the White House (I think it is FOUR times) than he likely has any other Leader of any other Country.

 

[Decypher]

This is the sort of spectacular bigotry that just boggles the mind.

lol, from the guy whose entire personality boils down to “I hate Muslims.”

 

[Decypher]

You don't know that, but it is a convenient trope that plays to support Hamas terrorism.

Well, same to you.. You don’t know that if the Palestinian people rejected Hamas, then Isreal would stop the bloodshed. The absence of Hamas in the West Bank hasn’t stopped ethnic cleansing there. Placing the responsibility for ending the war on a civilian population rather than than the military conducting it is upside down thinking, which simply seeks to justify Israeli war crimes.