Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

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Israel has always had two basic objectives: All the hostages returned, and HAMAS is no longer able to threaten Israel.
We used to call U.S. policy in Afghanistan "No More 9/11's". That would be a good way of capturing it.
If they accept HAMAS retaining their arms (which means accepting them retaining their power), they will have effectively given up the second objective to achieve the first sooner.

Is there much more that Israel can do to damage Hamas at this point? If not, what is the point of continuing the war longer?

 

[tosca1]

As more comes out in Arabic, it is looking more and more like HAMAS is playing for time, and refusing to actually give up its weapons (which means it is refusing to give up power in Gaza).

But they are demanding an immediate ceasefire for additional "negotiations" - playing to Trump's pride and gullibility.

It's a smart approach. We'll see if they get away with it.

Apparently HAMAS is divided, too.
To what extent will that division go?

Divisions within Hamas​

Another source familiar with the negotiations told AFP that the Palestinian group was split over Trump's plan.


"So far there are two views within Hamas: the first supports unconditional approval because the important thing is to have a ceasefire guaranteed by Trump, provided that the mediators guarantee Israel's implementation of the plan," the source said, also requesting anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.


But others withing the group have "great reservations on important clauses", the source said. "They reject disarmament and for any Palestinian citizen to be taken away from Gaza," the source said.


"They support a conditional agreement with clarifications that take into account demands by Hamas and the resistance factions so that the occupation of the Gaza Strip is not legitimised while the resistance is criminalised," they added.

Hamas divided over Trump’s Gaza peace plan, wants modifications

Divisions have opened up in Hamas about whether to accept Trump’s Gaza peace plan, as Arab leaders are said to be "furious" over Netanyahu’s changes to it

www.newarab.com

 

[Tigerace117]

Previously discussed.
You have not read my posts and you do not understand your own posts.

You making blatantly false, laughably historically ignorant statements doesn’t actually change the facts, sorry.

 

[dcsports]

Is there much more that Israel can do to damage Hamas at this point? If not, what is the point of continuing the war longer?

Hamas still has control, and 20 hostages, so they aren't done yet.

Israel has been working it's way through the country disarming and removing Hamas. They've sacrificed lives and political capital to get this far. Why would they stop before finishing the job? They'll be right back in the same spot in a few years.

 

[cpwill]

Is there much more that Israel can do to damage Hamas at this point?

So long as they retain the Will, absolutely.

 

[jaypatriot]

This is in response to a proposal from president Trump.​

Live Updates: Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza​

Live Updates: Hamas Says It Agrees to Release All Hostages in Gaza

The militant group responded to a proposal by President Trump to end its nearly two-year war with Israel.

www.nytimes.com

The militant group responded to a proposal by President Trump to end the war in Gaza.

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The Hamas martyrs are buying time to see if Trump will continue to hold back IDF troops from continuing to destroy Hamas wherever they are hiding.

 

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Hamas still has control, and 20 hostages, so they aren't done yet.

The proposed deal would release the hostages.

Israel has been working it's way through the country disarming and removing Hamas. They've sacrificed lives and political capital to get this far. Why would they stop before finishing the job? They'll be right back in the same spot in a few years.

The question is, is there any more that Israel can actually achieve?

If they can, then great. Let them keep at it. But if they can't actually achieve much more, then there is no point in continuing after the hostages are released.


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So long as they retain the Will, absolutely.

Well if Israel can actually achieve something productive by continuing the combat then they should continue it.

 

[upsideguy]

Big win for Trump

If true, yes. However, their response was conditional.... meaning they are open to negotiations. Let's see what happens, and pray they can find agreement.

 

[Desert Storm]

If true, yes. However, their response was conditional.... meaning they are open to negotiations. Let's see what happens, and pray they can find agreement.

Thats the right attitude

 

[dcsports]

The proposed deal would release the hostages.

The proposed deal would offer an opportunity for peace - and I hope the Palestinians take that opportunity. The deal also requires the Palestinians removing Hamas from power, and removing the weapons of war that Israel is seeking now, which is what Israel is after.

I wouldn't recommend holding your breath. The Palestinians have turned away from every chance for peace in the past, and I don't expect their Hamas leadership to let go.

Outside of that... Isreal has a lot of incentive to finish the job, and remove Hamas and their capacity to continue.

The question is, is there any more that Israel can actually achieve?

If they can, then great. Let them keep at it. But if they can't actually achieve much more, then there is no point in continuing after the hostages are released.

I just answered that. Twice. Yes, they can remove the Hamas terrorists from leadership, and their capacity for war, and take steps to prevent them from regaining control.

Well if Israel can actually achieve something productive by continuing the combat then they should continue it.

That's what they are trying. They didn't come this far to repeat the steps in a few years.

 

[Ahlevah]

Gee dude, if that were true Hamas wouldn’t have been continuously humiliating Israel for the last decade plus.

Just wake up from your sleep, Rip?

 

[Tigerace117]

Just wake up from your sleep, Rip?

Israel has repeatedly tried to destroy Hamas over the last decade and failed every time.

 

[cpwill]

Well if Israel can actually achieve something productive by continuing the combat then they should continue it.

I don't know if they could or couldn't - it's a question of their willingness to sustain combat and occupation.

BUT, if you could control the terrain, enable effective local partners, and ensure a generation of Palestinians is raised not taught that Jews are pig/monkey's, and that they can only achieve notable worth or Allah's blessing by killing Jews....

Well, that might be really something.

 

[Ahlevah]

Israel has repeatedly tried to destroy Hamas over the last decade and failed every time.

Hopefully, this time Israel at least has their attention—I mean the ones who are still vertical.

 

[Tigerace117]

Hopefully, this time Israel at least has their attention—I mean the ones who are still vertical.

Israel’s genocidal tantrum has ensured Hamas will never lack for recruits, yes

 

[Once More]

Amazing if true.

Hamas can't be trusted of course.

Netanyahu can?

 

[Spock]

You making blatantly false, laughably historically ignorant statements doesn’t actually change the facts, sorry.

You seem to think that the best thing for Gazans is to avoid surrender, support terrorists and to fight until all Gazans are dead.
Explain that position which defies logic.

 

[Tigerace117]

You seem to think that the best thing for Gazans is to avoid surrender, support terrorists and to fight until all Gazans are dead.
Explain that position which defies logic.

“Surrender” just means the Israelis keep killing Palestinian civilians regardless, as they have in the West Bank.

Israel literally won its independence via terrorism, rendering that objection worthless.

Israel’s decision to commit genocide is entirely the fault of Israel.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Of course the MAGA wants to give Trump exclusive credit (not, you know, the war that has largely leveled Gaza and crippled Hamas) and that before anything concrete actually has happened.

Nothing Trump said changed anything. Bibi was clear: he was going to keep the war on even if it completely isolated Israel unless the hostages were released. All Trump said was "I won't stop him from doing that"

Of course, the TDS crowd is allergic to giving Trump credit for anything positive. I find that immature. However, I am delighted that you at least appear willing to give Netanyahu some level of credit. I thought you libruls hated Bibi as much as Trump.

 

[Spock]

“Surrender” just means the Israelis keep killing Palestinian civilians regardless, as they have in the West Bank.

Israel literally won its independence via terrorism, rendering that objection worthless.

Israel’s decision to commit genocide is entirely the fault of Israel.

You are regurgitating propaganda. Deal with current events and reality.
You have defended continued Gazan support for Hamas.
Explain your support for continued warfare by Gazans.

And do not repeat your claim that circumstances will not change if Hamas surrenders and the hostages are released because it is just the failed fatalistic rationalization of the intellectually bereft.

 

[stevecanuck]

You are regurgitating propaganda. Deal with current events and reality.
You have defended continued Gazan support for Hamas.
Explain your support for continued warfare by Gazans.

And do not repeat your claim that circumstances will not change if Hamas surrenders and the hostages are released because it is just the failed fatalistic rationalization of the intellectually bereft.

You're trying to talk to a propaganda machine. He will never engage in the true question-answer sense. He only spouts the same shit over and over and over. Don't waste your pixels.

 

[Tigerace117]

You are regurgitating propaganda. Deal with current events and reality.
You have defended continued Gazan support for Hamas.
Explain your support for continued warfare by Gazans.

And do not repeat your claim that circumstances will not change if Hamas surrenders and the hostages are released because it is just the failed fatalistic rationalization of the intellectually bereft.

Current events are Israel committing genocide in hopes of being able to colonize Gaza, yes.

But if you’ve got any evidence that, say the partisans didn’t kill Heydrich or drive the Germans from Yugoslavia…let’s see it.

Israel had already proven surrender to be pointless, as has been repeatedly explained to you. Surrendering wouldn’t stop Israel from murdering Palestinian civilians.

Nope, it’s a recognition of Israel’s standard behavior.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I don't know if they could or couldn't - it's a question of their willingness to sustain combat and occupation.

BUT, if you could control the terrain, enable effective local partners, and ensure a generation of Palestinians is raised not taught that Jews are pig/monkey's, and that they can only achieve notable worth or Allah's blessing by killing Jews....

Well, that might be really something.

Are they going to teach Israeli teenagers not to run around in gangs harassing Palestinians? There are two sides to this problem, and neither side is innocent.

Israel has spent the last two years killing tens of thousands Palestinian children. If someone killed one of your children by bombing a refugee camp and another when they were lined up for food aid during a famine they imposed, could you forgive them? Its like going to the citizens of Nanking in 1945 and saying, "Kiss and make up with the Japanese."

I hear these arguments and I just think that this is willful ignorance at this point. Seriously, what war have y'all watched for the past 2 years, because it wasn't the war that literally the entire rest of the world watched and literally the entire rest of the world said, these are war crimes Israel is committing. That isn't the war y'all watched, so what what war was it, because whatever it was, it led you to a different take than the entire rest of the world has.

The events of 1/7 were horrific. Israel's actions have been literal orders of magnitude worse. They have killed at least 20,000 children. How can you expect the parents and loved ones of those children ever to forgive Israel? And this bullshit about "give the hostages up and it's over...", what does a family that has spent decades barely making it, only to have their meager home blown up, then the refugee camp they moved with what they could gather out of the rubble - bombed, how does that family return the hostages? It's literally like if the United States went to war with Haiti and didn't relent until the criminal gangs there gave us what we demanded.

Quite literally miles from this, there were Israelis sipping coffee and wine in sidewalk cafes while this was happening.

 

[Apocalypse]

Are they going to teach Israeli teenagers not to run around in gangs harassing Palestinians? There are two sides to this problem, and neither side is innocent.

Don't try to make it two-sided though. For every case of 'Israeli teenagers harassing Palestinians' (Which does happen, is horribly wrong, and the state should do far more to stop it) there are far more cases of Palestinians who throw rocks at little Jewish kids or actual Palestinian jihadist terrorists going on a rampage and brutally murdering women, children, elderly, innocent people.

It's not comparable in any form or way. You just don't hear about these far more common incidents. When a Jew does something bad, you'll hear about it so much in the biased anti-Israeli left leaning media you'd think it's a daily occurrence - while it's not.

Israel has spent the last two years killing tens of thousands Palestinian children. If someone killed one of your children by bombing a refugee camp and another when they were lined up for food aid during a famine they imposed, could you forgive them? Its like going to the citizens of Nanking in 1945 and saying, "Kiss and make up with the Japanese."

People die in wars. It's not the Allied fault that WWII had started and whatever casualties there are are on the Hamas monsters for bringing this war. I care about the children there mostly, those are pure. The ones who are adult enough are very likely to have supported Hamas themselves or some other form of unprovoked brutal barbaric violence against Jewish innocents, as too many of them had celebrated during October 7. It doesn't mean that there are no innocents among the adult population, it just means that there are also a lot who aren't and shouldn't be felt sorry for. Hamas itself along with Islamic Jihad and the other organizations including their non-combatant ranks were making quite the significant percentage of Gaza's population.

I hear these arguments and I just think that this is willful ignorance at this point. Seriously, what war have y'all watched for the past 2 years, because it wasn't the war that literally the entire rest of the world watched and literally the entire rest of the world said, these are war crimes Israel is committing. That isn't the war y'all watched, so what what war was it, because whatever it was, it led you to a different take than the entire rest of the world has.

Argumentum ad populum. You engage in many logical fallacies. What you describe as the rest of the world is a loud indoctrinated group of people, they're not the only ones who exist and even if they were it wouldn't make their opinion on Israel and the fake accusations against it less appalling.

The events of 1/7 were horrific. Israel's actions have been literal orders of magnitude worse.

This is terror supporting.

They have killed at least 20,000 children.

This is lying.

How can you expect the parents and loved ones of those children ever to forgive Israel? And this bullshit about "give the hostages up and it's over...", what does a family that has spent decades barely making it, only to have their meager home blown up, then the refugee camp they moved with what they could gather out of the rubble - bombed, how does that family return the hostages? It's literally like if the United States went to war with Haiti and didn't relent until the criminal gangs there gave us what we demanded.

What would you do if you cared for Israeli citizens and was responsible for their safety following October 7? Some imaginary nonsense I guess.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Amazing if true.

Hamas can't be trusted of course.

Neither can Trump or Netenyahu.