Re: Hackers break into Sarah Palin's e-mail account
A lot of things scare the hell out of a lot people. That doesn't make their fear rational and reasonable.
I recall many people being scared to death that the Patriot Act somehow threatened their library records. Of course, the Patriot Act didn't change anything in regard to library records.
I recall that recently people expressing fear of Palin because she supposedly banned books and fired a librarian for not banning books. Of course, Palin neither banned books or fired a librarian for not banning books.
Well, then, why are you asking anything about a position you have no idea about?
Ok.
It seems that within your comments there was a suggestion that FISA was bad law because you questioned whether Palin would change her mind on that law because of this incident and the only reason she might change her mind based on this incident is that this incident could be perceived as demonstrating the threat of arbitrary eavesdropping aka as Bushevism's.
Ok. I think I get it now. You really meant Patriot Act when you referred to FISA.
I'm new so I'm slow, I guess.
Jmak,
You need to go back and join the right questions with the right answers with the right posters you are replying to before you “smartly“ address them. You have mixed my posts with yours and with another poster.
If you’re having problems reading the posts when they include the previous poster’s quotes, then ask for help. There are plenty here who will be happy to help you. I don't know if you're confused keeping track of posts because you're new or if you're yanking my chain. I'll take the high road here and assume you're confused.
Excuse any dounle quotes as I put this together quick and I'm tired.
The “questions” you’re asking about in your last post, were asked… by you.
I didn’t ask any questions but, was answering “your” questions and commenting on your comments.
I’ll put the questions and my answers together somewhat. But, you’ll have to piece the threads together.
“You” originally posted these questions:
A) Do we know Palin's position on FISA?
B) What is your interpretation of the current FISA law?
C) You seem to suggest that this incident should motivate Palin to be opposed to the current FISA law. Am I reading you correctly?
D) Is accepting "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" required to believe that the current FISA law is constitutional and reasonable public policy?
I replied with these answers:
Originally Posted by JMak
A) Do we know Palin's position on FISA?
>>Haven't heard.
B) What is your interpretation of the current FISA law?
>>It could use some tweeking to get a faster reply but, it's been working fine.
C) You seem to suggest that this incident should motivate Palin to be opposed to the current FISA law. Am I reading you correctly?
>>???
D) Is accepting "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" required to believe that the current FISA law is constitutional and reasonable public policy?
The current FISA law doesn't scare people. I don't think that this incident has anything to do with FISA or the Bush administration's attempts to preserve what it perceives as executive authority in authorizing government eavesdropping.
To which you then replied:
I don't think that this incident has anything to do with FISA or the Bush administration's attempts to preserve what it perceives as executive authority in authorizing government eavesdropping.
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I stated:
It's the Patriot Act that is unconstitutional and scares the hell out of people who value their civil rights.
To which you replied:
“A lot of things scare the hell out of a lot people. That doesn't make their fear rational and reasonable.”
I answered:
That may be true. However, that does not mean their fear is irrational or unreasonable either. People are scared of the Patriot Act because it gives the government the power to invade our privacy in various ways without a court order, which has been required for a very long time.
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I replied to your question A :
Haven't heard.
You then rudely, or mistaking me for someone else, replied:
Well, then, why are you asking anything about a position you have no idea about?
My reply:
DUDE, this was answering YOUR question!!!
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You stated:
“I recall many people being scared to death that the Patriot Act somehow threatened their library records. Of course, the Patriot Act didn't change anything in regard to library records.”
My reply:
Libraries are extremely sensitive to people’s privacy.
Around the country, many libraries have stopped keeping records, of who checked out what books, after the items have been returned”. I know several libraries in my area who are now doing this. Most all libraries will open up their records “if”, and only “”if”, they are served a subpoena. However, most will
not give up any of their records no matter how much pressure police put on them. Libraries and librarians are very rabid about protecting our rights of privacy as well as following the laws of the land.
See:
Libraries try to quiet Patriot Act's access to records | La Crosse Tribune | Find Articles at BNET
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You stated:
I recall that recently people expressing fear of Palin because she supposedly banned books and fired a librarian for not banning books. Of course, Palin neither banned books or fired a librarian for not banning books.”.
My reply:
True. However, Palin did ask the librarian how she would respond if she was asked to remove books from her shelves. In fact, Palin asked her such questions a few times. Palin did not “fire” the librarian but, she did ask in a letter for her resignation. I believe the librarian refused to resign.
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JMak, I did not confuse the Patriot Act with the FISA law. I meant what I said. The FISA law worked fine before the P.A. was added to it after the 9/11/2001 attacks. The Patriot Act gives the government unfettered access to our private library records, cell phone conversations with no oversight! Some of us cherish our privacy. This law is Bush and Cheney's attempts to turn our democracy into King George's dictatorship!
