PhotonicLaceration said:Hmm.. Irsrael is really a peaceful place as far as criminal activity is concerned. If you read the news everyday you'd think it was living hell. What's wrong with military training in schools? To me it sounds like practical knowledge that will be a lot more useful in your life than football ! I never said the reason they are safe is because they had guns... I was pointing out that everyone carrying guns in a region does not lead to crime. There are pleanty of safe places with lots of Gun Control, to include Britain and Australia. They were also safe before gun control.
Absolutely nothing is wrong with military training, but Israel wouldn't be as safe without the training. America does not have that training, nor will it enstate that training any time soon. Those countries are only safe with the guns because they have proper training, to give the general public those guns without proper training is foolish. However, if you are advocating that training, that is fine with me, but we don't have it now.
Hmm... Schools, Churches, Notice anything in common with those? Virtually all schools and most churches completey dissallow guns on their properties. Funny, I guess the serial killers didn't see the sign. While there isn't exactly a coorelation between violence and guns (as I have mentioned in an earlier post in this thread) there IS a coorelation between the severity. Like I said before, and yes, I'm going to use Israel again... In Israel, if you have a psycopathic serial killer, he's on his last leg pretty fast. Walks into a market place, or wherever he chooses and starts unloading, he gets about 1 or two guys and he gets nailed... Now, how many people were shot columbine and other schools? How about in D.C.? They have some pretty big shootings. Recently, the shooting that happened with that one student on the Indian reservation brought up something else. The schools already have school police and security guards, how come in most areas of the United States these security guards who are regularly on campass aren't armed? What is the purpose of even having them if they can't stop a threat? On the indian reservation, the armed security guard was the first guy targeted, meaning that if he retaliated, the kid who started it wouldn't have caused any more trouble (by the way, gun control wouldn't have stopped this kid, as he got his guns from his dads police car)
However, you are missing one thing. All of these criminals were average citizens at one point in time. I am not saying that Gun Control would stop crime, not at all, but it certainly wouldn't lessen it. If someone is going to commit a crime, make him get the gun illegally, don't make it legal for him. With all of the everyday violence, especially what children are exposed to, Americans have become desensitized to violence, so you want to them assault weapons? Comparing us to the other countries is apples and oranges, they have many factors surrounding their gun use that America does not have. Without these factors... Furthermore the Bureau of Justice shows a graph that most homicides in America are because of arguments, by average citizens. You want to put an Assault Weapon in their hand while they are argueing? Here is the graph and spreadsheet
Also, I found some statistics, Bureau of Justice.
The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline.
After 1994, the proportion of nonfatal violent incidents involving a firearm declined.
Assault Weapons Ban was enstated in in 1994, coincidence?
You really think that criminals are nice enough to only use crappy guns until civilians use better ones? Right. :roll: Criminals use whatever is easiest to obtain and suits their particular need. Like I said before, do you have any proof or examples of a region where when civilians got bigger guns criminals got bigger guns? I can think of a lot of examples where exactly the opposite happened.
As I said, I was responding to a post. They said that statistics show most crimes are committed with small handguns. If you have another statistic to disprove that, feel free. I believe that they use handguns primarily because that is all they need. A slippery slope is logic, give me one of your many examples.
Criminals use whatever is easiest to obtain and suits their particular need.
Wouldn't less gun control make the guns easier to obtain?
Well, first off, kids who go on shooting sprees aren't the average criminal that's motivated by success or furthering there "career." Second off, they are usually thinking they need to exact revenge or something similar, and it's usually that these people are doing this because they are depressed. (I said suicide bombers exempt in my post) And additionally, the will to live still exists here. If there only goal was to die, than they'd just shoot themselves. Usually they want to do some damage first, and because of that, if they had the option of taking his uncles crappy pos gun, or his dads excellent gun (and was wise enough to know the difference) I don't think he'd have to think very hard.
In 2002, Students age 12 through 18 were victims of about 88,000 serious violent crimes at school. It is becoming more of the average crime. I am not sure what your point is for the rest of the argument.
[/QUOTE]Did you even read my posts?
Okay... an Assault Rifle
is NOT an assault weapon. ASSAULT RIFLES fire a lot of rounds when you pull the trigger, hence they are "machineguns" Assault Weapons, let me reiterate myself about those.
Okay, for the last few decades, some really smart journalists thought "Hey, if I add the word "assault" to all of the weapons used in the crimes I report, it'll add some spice and make things exciting!"
So then, from that point on, new journals around the country began refferring to virtually EVERY gun used in a crime is an Assault Weapon. This included the average semi-automatic handgun or revolver.
Semi-automatic is NOT a machine gun, that means it will fire once EVERY time you pull the trigger, not to be confused with FULL AUTO. Revolvers, crank guns have existed for a long time that could all a semi-auto can today, but operate off of a different mechanism (rotating chamber or spring instead of gas)
I am not sure about Assault Rifles, I will research to see if they are legal. I posted that so everyone would know what Assault Weapons were. BTW, Assault Weapon is not a media term, it was a legislation put in by Bill Clinton. It was a law, not some hyped up media lingo.