The VA Tech shooter shot adults using only handguns which required reloading. A college campus full of unarmed victims waiting under their desk to be the next guy shot.It would slow down the shooter and give people a chance to rush him while he reloaded. If there were no advantage to a semi auto rifle, the army would still issue 1903 Springfields, but no army today goes to war with bolt actions, because they are too slow. You can't eliminate all homicides, but in these school situations, you can limit the carnage. The other option is to go the British route and store all guns at gun clubs and only allow their use there, and I would not push that far. There are clear needs for firearms in rural america.
Correct - I am addressing what you did not (or will not) say. You took great pains to say that there are reasons to oppose an "assault wepons" ban, yet named none. I am asserting that "incremental" chipping away at the second amendment is what is being sought, not using (requiring) any Constitutional action at all. Redefining, or narrowing what is a "legal" firearm, is precisely the action that many are offering - what are you suggesting as the "reason" to not do so?
I will tell you our secret, and it has nothing to do with guns either way: We have a great local economy. Last I checked I our unemployment was 4.2, half the national average, and we have great career opportunities in SD and in the surrounding states (someone who's family is in SD may work in Gillette, WO, for example).I can't explain South Dakota's record. But if we are to make a difference, then we as a nation need to find out.
The problem is that guns are NOT treated like cars. Car registration has never been used for mass car confiscation. Gun registration has been used for mass confiscation by many countries.Re gun registration. I'm not exactly sure what good it would do. But I'm sure experts have some ideas. Why do we register cars and boats? And what good is a failed monthly background check do if the only thing it accomplishes is to revoke someone's license? Who puts teeth in that failed check and collects the guns??
I will tell you our secret, and it has nothing to do with guns either way: We have a great local economy. Last I checked I our unemployment was 4.2, half the national average, and we have great career opportunities in SD and in the surrounding states (someone who's family is in SD may work in Gillette, WO, for example).
The problem is that guns are NOT treated like cars. Car registration has never been used for mass car confiscation. Gun registration has been used for mass confiscation by many countries.
Gun aren't treated like cars, in that you can't get a gun license which all 50 states are forced to honor. In public, if you have a car, you're normal, you blend right into the crowd, but if you have a gun you're treated with suspicion, even-though cars kill more people. You don't see anyone clamoring to make texting-while-shooting laws. If you own a large collection of guns, you're thought of as paranoid, but if you own a large collection of cars, you're seen as a harmless collector.
I can't explain South Dakota's record. But if we are to make a difference, then we as a nation need to find out.
I have money set aside, and as soon as it looks like they'll pass an AWB, I'm buying an AR and a few 60 round mags.Do you believe that all those 30 round magazines are going to disappear overnight?
In schools situations, there is nothing you can really do to limit the carnage by restricting magazine capacity.
Little kids aren't going to rush a shooter.
Does anyone know how Lanza got the guns that he did have?I have already posted one thread in regards to the mass shootings, trying to bring together ideas on the most effective way to slow gun related violence and try to eliminate these mass shootings.
This poll is more black and white because I am simply wondering would you be in favor of more gun control if it had the potential to reduce violence.
Assault rifles been banned since 1986.I would be for a ban on assault rifles if I didnt know they would still be available illegally. I personally find it hilarious that there are people that want to legalize drugs because they say you can get them illegally. Guns are the same thing...and they were the same thing.
I dont believe civilians have a need for assault rifles personally, but you cant stop people from obtaining them by making them illegal.
I have some very good news for you, then:
We're already part of the unorganized militia. This is how we can be drafted, because we're already affiliated with the military by default...the state can just 'call us up'. They're not enslaving a free man, they're activating a militiaman. The very purpose of the Selective Service is to record exactly who is in the unorganized militia should they need to be activated.
I've long been of the opinion that a 2-year term or service should be mandatory for everyone upon turning 18, because when you turn 18 you become part of the militia whether you like it or not. This is forced on you like taxes, so IMO just roll with it, use it to your advantage. Even if you choose not to continue to serve in the military, you are still in the militia and so you should have some base-level training to accompany it. You could be summarily deputized during a natural disaster before relief comes. You could be part of a neighborhood watch, etc. These civil duties would be greatly served by basic military training.
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Here we had to link to this law yeat again. We have to keep repeating ourselves, so rather than write it out manually over and over and over, a lot of us just save it to a word doc.
If a magic wand were available, and I could take ALL guns, past, present and future and place them into the deepest depths of the ocean I would be the first to turn mine in. But That's fantasy.
Yes, there are some of the basics in law, but it is not complete. A gun owner should go to at least quarterly meetings and annual training, a few hours at urban style range. The member should pass some evaluation. Not allowed to have a gun otherwise.
btw, I was in the USAF from June '68 'till '72. I did very well at the range. I was a target if the Viet Cong if they ever discovered what we did in that building on the perimeter. I was not allowed to have a gun because I didn't need one to do my military job.
I would be for a ban on assault rifles if I didnt know they would still be available illegally. I personally find it hilarious that there are people that want to legalize drugs because they say you can get them illegally. Guns are the same thing...and they were the same thing.
I dont believe civilians have a need for assault rifles personally, but you cant stop people from obtaining them by making them illegal.
That is nonsense - once you remove that pesky "shall not be infringed" then what is left of the right of the people to keep and bear arms? First you define "classes" of firearms, then you decide which of them may be subtracted from those "allowed". That was precisely the intent of the "assault rifle" ban. You even go so far as stating that effectiveness is not your concern - then what is?
What are your personal qualifications validating this opinion? Why should we pay you any attention to you at all?Yes, there are some of the basics in law, but it is not complete. A gun owner should go to at least quarterly meetings and annual training, a few hours at urban style range. The member should pass some evaluation.
Banning "assault weapons" will have virtually no effect on reducing crime.
The majority of crimes are committed with handguns and shotguns.
Like the Left says about pot and prostitution: Legalize it so it can be regulated and taxed.The lesson is, and has always been "Prohibition DOESN'T WORK!"
No matter how many history lessons on the Volstead act people skip.
Like the Left says about pot and prostitution: Legalize it so it can be regulated and taxed.
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