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Gun control status poll

Where do you stand on gun legislation restricting firearm ownership?

  • Status Quo - Could use some tweaking but it's generally fine

  • More firearm restrictions needed

  • Less firearm restrictions needed

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The people you describe are small in number compared to all those who support the 2nd amendment. That whole post is an attempt at poisoning the well.

Small number my ass. Wouldn't want to poison a poisoned well.

There are those who defend the 2A responsibly and then there are those who defend it as a mechanism for gun anarchy and as a partisan tool. It's those who defend it irresponsibly who are the actual threat to my Rights. Eventually, after enough mass shootings have occurred, those who wish to take drastic measures will have the power to do so. And they will do it, because irresponsible gun owners refused to have common sense.
 
I know that and you know that, but the rabid "sekundumendmenters" don't appear to understand it.



Yep, and there were "gun control laws" at the time that the US Constitution was considered, debated, passed, ratified, interpreted, amended, re-interpreted and there are always going to be "gun control laws".

All that is going to change is the definition of what is an "acceptable impact on the rights of others".
The 2A is the first American gun control law that I am aware of.
 
Actually I choose to live in a country where guns were NOT needed in order to obtain "freedom" (and one that is ranked as being freer than the US).

However, I do agree "Gunz Iz FUN!". My personal (non-automatic) favourite is a 3.5" (Black Powder) howitzer and my personal (automatic) favourite is the C9A2.
What other countries have you lived in?
 
Aren't those so-called "laws" an infringement on people's "right to keep and bear arms"?

Or does the "right to keep and bear arms" not extend to actually shooting the guns that you "keep and bear"?
right you are-restrictions on use are not implicated. now if there was a law that banned all use of a firearm-even in areas where it was safe to do so-then yes it would be a violation. As I have noted hundreds of times-all harmful activity one can do with a firearm is already illegal or will subject you to serious civil ramifications, if not jail time
 
What US federal gun control law was enacted before the Constitution was ratified by elitists?
there wasn't much of a federal government before the constitution
 
there wasn't much of a federal government before the constitution
At some point do you actually try to support your "No it is not" claim?
 
At some point do you actually try to support your "No it is not" claim?
the first federal gun control laws were imposed by the FDR administration, The second amendment is not a gun control law since it -in no way-controls what firearms people can own. It merely reiterates the fact that the federal government was NOT delegated any PROPER power to restrict the rights of lawful people to keep and bear arms
 
the first federal gun control laws were imposed by the FDR administration, The second amendment is not a gun control law since it -in no way-controls what firearms people can own. It merely reiterates the fact that the federal government was NOT delegated any PROPER power to restrict the rights of lawful people to keep and bear arms
A. Is the 2A law?

B. Does the 2A have anything to do with guns?

C. How can you claim that the 2A does nothing to control who owns guns while simultaneously claiming that the 2A protects the right to own guns?
 
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In the US..."shall not be infringed".

In other words, no gun control.

OMG ! "No gun control" unless "those people" are deemed, "too uppity"!

Armed Black Panthers in the Capitol, 50 years on - Capitol ...
capitolweekly.net › black-panthers-armed-capitol

Apr 26, 2017 — It even caused the National Rifle Association and Ronald Reagan to back a gun-control bill ... as governor, was on the Capitol lawn, hosting a gathering of eighth-graders. ... The founders were Huey Newton and Bobby Seale.
The Secret History of Guns - The Atlantic
www.theatlantic.com › magazine › archive › 2011/09

Sep 15, 2011 — The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all ... The eighth-grade students gathering on the west lawn of the state capitol in ... six months earlier, in Oakland, by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale.

A Huey P. Newton Story - Actions - State Capitol March | PBS
www.pbs.org › hueypnewton › actions_capitolmarch


"Elbert "Big Man" Howard at the State Capitol March ... forced out of this public place where they then read Executive Mandate Number 1 out on the lawn. ... thus creating the Mulford Act, which was signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan.
It began shortly after the shooting of Denzil Dowell. Easy Bay legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill to repeal the law that permitted citizens to carry loaded weapons in public places so long as the weapons were openly displayed [see link to California Penal Code, Sections 12031 and 171.c]. What the Mulford law sought to achieve was the elimination of the Black Panther Police Patrols, and it had been t1614182560654.pngagged "the Panther Bill" by the media.​
The Police Patrols had become an integral part of BPP community policy. Members of the BPP would listen to police calls on a short wave radio, rush to the scene of the arrest with law books in hand and inform the person being arrested of their constitutional rights. BPP members also happened to carry loaded weapons, which were publicly displayed, but were careful to stand no closer than ten feet from the arrest so as not to interfere with the arrest."​
 
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the first federal gun control laws were imposed by the FDR administration, The second amendment is not a gun control law since it -in no way-controls what firearms people can own. It merely reiterates the fact that the federal government was NOT delegated any PROPER power to restrict the rights of lawful people to keep and bear arms

KNOW your history....

Yup... the "uppity" factor!

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"The Sullivan Act is a gun control law in New York state "[1] The NY state law required licenses for New Yorkers to possess firearms small enough to be concealed. Private possession of such firearms without a license was a misdemeanor, and carrying them in public was a felony. The act was named for its primary legislative sponsor, state senator Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall Democratic politician. ....
Controversy[edit]
The first person convicted under the law was an Italian immigrant named Marino Rossi who was travelling to a job interview and carrying a revolver for fear of the Black Hand.[13] At sentencing the judge declared: "It is unfortunate that this is the custom with you and your kind, and that fact, combined with your irascible nature, furnishes much of the criminal business in this country."[14] Prior to Marino's arrest, others had been arrested under the new law but were released without charges.[15] ..."

110 years ago...
"David Graham Phillips rose later than usual on January 23, 1911, ... And just steps away from his daily stop at the Princeton Club on the north side of the park at Lexington Avenue, Fitzhugh Coyle Goldsborough, a former violinist with the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, confronted him and yelled, “Here you go!” and rapidly shot him six times. Moments later, Goldsborough wailed, “Here I go!” before fatally shooting himself in the head. ...Sullivan shot back that maybe the bill wouldn’t suit profit-seeking gunmakers, but the broad, commonsense public demand, police and “all the judges of New York City” were enough to pass the legislation. New York was finished tolerating “pistol toters,” he said.

But he also made a social appeal for would-be criminals. “I want to make it so the young thugs in my district will get three years for carrying dangerous weapons instead of getting a sentence in the electric chair a year from now,” he argued.

With support from the Merchants’ Association of New York, prominent civic leaders, and even oil baron John D. Rockefeller, the bill passed overwhelmingly in both houses and was quickly approved by Gov. John Dix. Although the Sullivan Act has been challenged in court and debated for more than a century, its basic provisions are still in force and credited with the relative low numbers of gun violence for a city its size..."
 
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the first federal gun control laws were imposed by the FDR administration, The second amendment is not a gun control law since it -in no way-controls what firearms people can own. It merely reiterates the fact that the federal government was NOT delegated any PROPER power to restrict the rights of lawful people to keep and bear arms

The radicalization of the RW, post Fairness Doctrine and "Newt-ism", required an interesting departure from historical fact, IOW, from reality....
I guess "conservatives" with first hand experience of being shot or shot at, reacted similarly to the way FDR reacted!

"... Roosevelt’s firearms bill also proposed requiring newly purchased pistols and revolvers to be registered and owners to be fingerprinted. In February 1933 in Miami, a would-be assassin had fired a pistol at President-elect Roosevelt that mortally wounded visiting Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak. .."

"... In a March 1991 editorial, President Reagan opined that the Brady Act would provide a crucial "enforcement mechanism" to end the "honor system" of the 1968 Gun Control Act and "can't help but stop thousands of illegal handgun purchases."[9] ..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-nra-ronald-reagan-took-on-the-gun-lobby/
"Mar 2, 2018 — On May 3, 1994, Ronald Reagan and two other former presidents sent a letter to House members, urging them to support a controversial ban on ..."

"...In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns." They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such ..."
 
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Did you know that a person from (for example - Minnesota) who permanently relocates to China and has lived there for 10 years is still eligible to vote in their home state electoral district? Heck, they might even be able to vote in the Chinese elections too.

That person still has a Minnesota address. If you lived in Minnesota and no longer have a residence there, you must register to vote in your new state.
 
When my sons were 9 years old, they were just as competent at handling firearms as I am after half a lifetime in the Army. That's because I taught them.

So then buy your sons guns. That doesn't mean they should be to buy them themselves as that age.
 
The 2A is the first American gun control law that I am aware of.
The Second Amendment is NOT a gun-control law - - it is part of the Bill of Rights - - it prohibits lawmakers from passing laws that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

The last four words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means that no gun-control laws can be (lawfully) passed.
 
The Second Amendment is not a gun-control law.

It prohibits lawmakers from passing laws that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.
Are there any infringements on "... the right to keep and bear arms"?
 
Are there any infringements on "... the right to keep and bear arms"?
Nearly every gun-control law ever passed is an infringement on the the right to keep and bear arms.


infringement
[inˈfrinjmənt]

NOUN
  1. the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
  2. the action of limiting or undermining something.
 
Okay

How about the obvious open liberalism?
You know a lot of liberals who want to abolish the vast majority not gun control?
 
The Second Amendment is NOT a gun-control law - - it is part of the Bill of Rights - - it prohibits lawmakers from passing laws that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

The last four words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means that no gun-control laws can be (lawfully) passed.
Not exactly. It means that gun control laws cannot undermine the right.
 
Nearly every gun-control law ever passed is an infringement on the the right to keep and bear arms.


infringement
[inˈfrinjmənt]

NOUN
  1. the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
  2. the action of limiting or undermining something.
Therefore, the 2A does NOT "prohibit lawmakers from passing laws that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms."
 
I don't think it is about avoidance. People just know that this is pointless.

The same people who believe that they are defined by the 2A are the same people who believe that Global Warming is a hoax, that millions voted for Hillary, that Covid-19 is a hoax, and that they were cheated in November. And by this, I mean that it is about perpetual victimhood. Using the 2A as a rallying cry so that they can fantasize about "the left" coming for their toys is just more of the same. There's a reason that they pretend that the only victims in mass shootings are liberals. While it is usually there's that do the shooting, 2A crusaders who have lost people remain silent. They have aneed to politiicize absolutely everything to the point where common sense and logic have no place at the table.

Need some more tar for that brush? Its frikkin huge.
 
I don't think it is about avoidance. People just know that this is pointless.

The same people who believe that they are defined by the 2A are the same people who believe that Global Warming is a hoax, that millions voted for Hillary, that Covid-19 is a hoax, and that they were cheated in November. And by this, I mean that it is about perpetual victimhood. Using the 2A as a rallying cry so that they can fantasize about "the left" coming for their toys is just more of the same. There's a reason that they pretend that the only victims in mass shootings are liberals. While it is usually there's that do the shooting, 2A crusaders who have lost people remain silent. They have aneed to politiicize absolutely everything to the point where common sense and logic have no place at the table.
I think you're right in your grouping of them having a lot in common.
Personally, I've grown out of owning guns and killing living things for fun but I understand that younger men haven't and so I can respect them owning guns, but with many limitations on what they consider their rights.
As to their lust to kill living things, there's little can be done other than attempts by their NRA and gun related groups to educate them on respecting life in nature. Fwiw, I don't buy into their 'meat' hunting argument for at least 90% of them. I've been there and you likely have too.
 
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