Gun control status poll

[brianpatrick]

In a free society, the default position is freedom. Those who want to restrict what we do, best have a good reason to do so and when it comes to gun rights, they almost always fail

Yes, but this is a pry it from my cold dead hands argument. It’s not going to work with my childrens’ generation. It was cool when we were kids—Charleston Heston, all that—but my kids in their their 20’s won’t even consider it. There are opportunities to revamp insular rural communities with fresh blood and show them on a human level that guys like you (I don’t mean you personally) are worth knowing and living with. Both my next door neighbors are super conservative, but we all get along great on a daily level. I respect and love them in a way, but we disagree on many issues. This kind of thinking is the only way anything you want to keep is going to happen.

 

[brianpatrick]

I don't agree with your claims. but I do see a civil war over this issue in the next few decades. I expect after that, the anti gun movement will not be relevant anymore.

A civil war will be fought between the National Guard, the government, and whoever is causing civil unrest. The winner will be the National guard or the US military.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Nope, your right to vote in your home state/district is not invalidated when you happen to be in another state/district (or even outside of the US) - see absentee and/or mail-in ballots.

I was specifically talking about where you live, not where you are at any given moment.

 

[TurtleDude]

A civil war will be fought between the National Guard, the government, and whoever is causing civil unrest. The winner will be the National guard or the US military.

YOu assume the national guard and the military will side with those trying to break down doors and seize guns.

 

[Parrish]

YOu assume the national guard and the military will side with those trying to break down doors and seize guns.

Sick.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

What is needed, more than anything else, is an attitude adjustment that will reduce the propensity of Americans to shoot each other over trivial reasons.

All reasons to shoot people are trivial except when nothing else in the world can save your life. And that happens very rarely relative to the number of criminal shootings.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sick.

what is sick-assuming that the police and national guard will follow their oath to the constitution or their orders from fascists?

 

[brianpatrick]

YOu assume the national guard and the military will side with those trying to break down doors and seize guns.

That assumes anyone will be breaking down doors and seizing guns. They won’t. It will be slow and painful, but SWAT will not be raiding gun owners’ homes in general, breaking down doors, or doing anything you can really fight against without being labeled a terrorist.

I think people all too often underestimate their opponents. Like people who say: “Trump is an idiot!” But he is not an idiot. He’s a gifted natural politician that came in exactly the right moment in history. He’s like a right-wing Beatles. That won’t happen again. Here, you are underestimating the intelligence of your opponents. The people in the top positions are some of the smartest people on the planet. It’s funny to say lib-tard, and there are plenty of people for whom this title fits, but the cream of the crop are not that. This isn’t YouTube, or MSNBC, or CNN, or Twitter, or Facebook. That’s all just a diversion.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I was specifically talking about where you live, not where you are at any given moment.

Then you totally missed my point. Why should having a gun with a 15 round capacity magazine be legal in Texas and illegal in California? That makes no sense at all.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I'm with you on the "10 year-olds" but why should someone who is 60 years old, who was convicted of "possession of marijuana" when they were 18, and who hasn't received as much as a traffic ticket since then, NOT be allowed to own a gun?

There is nothing wrong with that person owning a gun based on his criminal record, but at age 60, how good is he at operating one?

 

[One shot]

I don't agree with your claims. but I do see a civil war over this issue in the next few decades. I expect after that, the anti gun movement will not be relevant anymore.

when this civil war starts I’ll be on the side that doesn’t have to pay taxes.

 

[Noodlegawd]

There is nothing wrong with that person owning a gun based on his criminal record, but at age 60, how good is he at operating one?

Why would a 60 year-old have any particular trouble operating a firearm?

 

[TurtleDude]

There is nothing wrong with that person owning a gun based on his criminal record, but at age 60, how good is he at operating one?

This current 62 year old has been beating tons of 20-30 year old speed shooters for years.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I believe that some 9 year olds can HANDLE a firearm as many adults. As well as a professional shooter - no.

Meaning they are physically able to point the shaft end at another person and pull the trigger without knowing bullets kill humans instantly. Why would any parent trust the kid to only shoot where no other breathing creatures exist?

 

[TurtleDude]

Meaning they are physically able to point the shaft end at another person and pull the trigger without knowing bullets kill humans instantly. Why would any parent trust the kid to only shoot where no other breathing creatures exist?

My son certainly knew at age 9 that guns can kill people. He had been hunting enough to learn that.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

My son certainly knew at age 9 that guns can kill people. He had been hunting enough to learn that.

Why did you let him use a gun at age nine?

There is absolutely no reason ANYONE under age 18 should be allowed to use a gun.

 

[TurtleDude]

Why did you let him use a gun at age nine?

There is absolutely no reason ANYONE under age 18 should be allowed to use a gun.

I really couldn't give two shits about such a stupid opinion. There is absolutely no reason for stupid opinions to be given any credibility. Do you realize how many 17 year olds served in our military forces? I trained him well in weapons-guns knives, and he earned a black belt-because one day he might have to defend himself.

 

[Montgomery]

That means that ALL laws and regulations with guns must NOT infringe on this right. All laws in all the states must abide by our Second Amendment.

Canada doesn't have laws that don't abide by or contradict any provincial laws. Show me how there's any practical difference and stop babbling about sh-t you are clueless about, because you're too lazy and bigotted to learn.

Assault rifles are still banned in California, but I believe that we will someday be able to have AR-15s and AK-47s like all the other states do.

Why skychief, how could that be? Did practical considerations overrule your constipation?
But good luck on that anyway and go for full automatic as your opening gambit. Doesn't your constitution say your should? If it was up to me I would give you everything short of nuclear weapons! And concealed carry too for anything you can wedge up your as-es!

 

[One shot]

Yes, but this is a pry it from my cold dead hands argument. It’s not going to work with my childrens’ generation. It was cool when we were kids—Charleston Heston, all that—but my kids in their their 20’s won’t even consider it. There are opportunities to revamp insular rural communities with fresh blood and show them on a human level that guys like you (I don’t mean you personally) are worth knowing and living with. Both my next door neighbors are super conservative, but we all get along great on a daily level. I respect and love them in a way, but we disagree on many issues. This kind of thinking is the only way anything you want to keep is going to happen.

Like! Double Like! Spoken like a true adult. I have a wife and mortgage, electricity, water, job, grocery store, bank, dentist etc etc. civil war can take all that away. I prefer to get along. I think most Americans are getting tired of all this division. I predict a period of calm, wellness and prosperity.

 

[Montgomery]

Going after a 'style' is like banning red and blue bandannas to cut down on gang violence. Remember that JFK was assassinated with a bolt action rifle.

He was assassinated with an M16. Who is the authority who told you otherwise? Ask Tigerace if you don't believe me. He told me.

 

[Montgomery]

Please do not consider "Firearms per Capita" (which is going up in the US) with "Firearms Owners per Capita" (which is going down in the US).

I'm reminded of a question that was asked concerning attitudes towards a person who owned over 300 guns. My position was, assuming that they were a conscientious firearms owner, that that was quite fine (since the time that it would take to ensure that all of those guns were properly cleaned and maintained would almost preclude him from actually doing anything with them).

I haven't changed that position.

Should I care?
I've told you people repeatedly that it's not 'black' or 'pink' I'm opposed to, it the sick attitude of the ones who choose black or pink guns. Those youall ladies carrying around pink AR type weapons have more hair on their chests than Donald Trump. And the boys who carry the black ones are substituting their big guns for their short penises.
Please do consider that I don't care.

 

[Lursa]

All reasons to shoot people are trivial except when nothing else in the world can save your life. And that happens very rarely relative to the number of criminal shootings.

That pretty much is the legal bar for citizens. An imminent lethal threat (death or gross bodily harm/forcible felony).

What did you think was a legal defense to shooting someone in self-defense? The laws are pretty clear.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I really couldn't give two shits about such a stupid opinion. There is absolutely no reason for stupid opinions to be given any credibility. Do you realize how many 17 year olds served in our military forces? I trained him well in weapons-guns knives, and he earned a black belt-because one day he might have to defend himself.

The minimum age to join the military is 18.

Stupidity is intentionally endangering others and teaching little kids to do the same.

 

[TurtleDude]

The minimum age to join the military is 18.

Stupidity is intentionally endangering others and teaching little kids to do the same.

are you denying that thousands of 17 year olds served in the military? You are absolutely wrong since 17 year olds can enlist with parental consent. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/us-military-enlistment-standards-3354001


Stupidity is denying the obvious or trying to impose one's irrational fear about firearms and their hatred of how gun owners vote, onto others. Kids who are ignorant about firearms are far more likely to do stupid things with them than children who have been properly trained in the use and safe handling of guns

 

[Lursa]

Why did you let him use a gun at age nine?

There is absolutely no reason ANYONE under age 18 should be allowed to use a gun.

?? Kids hunt, I compete in a sport where kids can start shooting at 13. And kids are taught to shoot and prepare so that they can contribute to the safety and security of the home.

Um...shooting is fun. Kids trained and supervised can have fun safely. Why not?