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Gun control goes on the ballot

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Gun control goes on the ballot | TheHill

Voters in four states will decide ballot measures relating to gun control this November. In Maine and Nevada, voters will decide whether to expand background check requirements to include private gun sales.

In Washington, voters will decide whether to take guns out of the hands of people who are subject to extreme risk protection orders, which include restraining orders and people at risk of suicide.

And in California, voters will decide whether to ban the possession of large-capacity magazines. The California measure, Proposition 63, would also require individuals to pass a background check before purchasing ammunition.

This year’s measure to limit access to firearms for people under protective orders, Initiative 1491, is modeled on legislation that has passed in states like California, Connecticut and Indiana.If it is successful, it too will be exported to other states. Stephanie Ervin, who is running the pro-1491 campaign, said she expected a similar measure to appear on the ballot in Oregon.
I think over the next decade this will become more common.
Thoughts on the proposed changes are?
 

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Gun control is forbidden in the constitution.

Enough thoughts?
 

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I think over the next decade this will become more common.
Thoughts on the proposed changes are?

Sell between private individuals is just that. This is government stepping on private property.
Unconstitutional.

I see no reason to ban gun magazines it does nothing to stop crime. It is an appeal to emotion.
Nothing will be done with it.

Background to by ammo? Stupid there is already back ground checks to get a gun.
Redundant and go much of a burden.

Just more attempts to disarm the popluace and legal gun owners I really wish judges would defend the constitution as they are supposed to.
 

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How about some more.

Controlling magazine sizes violates the constitution.
Banning people from having guns due to this that or the other thing violates the constitution.
Requiring background checks violates the constitution.
Making it harder for people to kill themselves with a gun violate the right to end your life and the constitution.
 

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I think over the next decade this will become more common.
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The first set in Maine and Nevada will be unenforceable if it even passes.

The Washington law is already in place in several states in one form or another.

The California proposal is simply California doing what California does best, how anyone with any sense of Liberty or Common Sense can stand to live there is beyond me.
 

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Uh.....















When did gun control become a states right issue?




Do people just not understand how this works?
 

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Uh.....















When did gun control become a states right issue?




Do people just not understand how this works?

They missed the part where the second amendment applies to the states and the federal government.
 

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The first set in Maine and Nevada will be unenforceable if it even passes.

The Washington law is already in place in several states in one form or another.

The California proposal is simply California doing what California does best, how anyone with any sense of Liberty or Common Sense can stand to live there is beyond me.

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My thoughts are that liberals will always try to end run the Constitution any way they can....
 

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Beach front, warm weather.

****ty government that taxes you at high rates, overpriced housing, ton of liberals and socialists, and high regulations. I can get warm weather and access to a beach in a more free part of the country.
 

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How about some more.

Controlling magazine sizes violates the constitution.
Banning people from having guns due to this that or the other thing violates the constitution.
Requiring background checks violates the constitution.
Making it harder for people to kill themselves with a gun violate the right to end your life and the constitution.
Background checks are already done.
How if it is law in 1 State is it unconstitutional in another?
 

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I think over the next decade this will become more common.
Thoughts on the proposed changes are?

I'm OK with background checks, but I have a problem with.....

1) Control of magazines. IMHO, that would be unconstitutional.

2) Extreme risk protection orders..... Not necessarily against, but on what basis is someone assumed to be an extreme risk, and what is the criteria?
 

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Background checks are already done.
How if it is law in 1 State is it unconstitutional in another?

What happens when they fail? How does that not violate their second amendment rights?
 

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I'm OK with background checks, but I have a problem with.....

1) Control of magazines. IMHO, that would be unconstitutional.

2) Extreme risk protection orders..... Not necessarily against, but on what basis is someone assumed to be an extreme risk, and what is the criteria?
Perhaps a restraining order from a spouse?
Perhaps hospitalized for an MI?
 

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What happens when they fail? How does that not violate their second amendment rights?

If you cannot address the question asked, do not reply to me.
 

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If you cannot address the question asked, do not reply to me.

I couldn't understand your question. The wording is really weird.
 

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Background checks are already done.
How if it is law in 1 State is it unconstitutional in another?

Doesn't the 10th amendment specifically lay out that things NOT covered by the Constitution are left to the states? In this case then the 2nd amendment would trump the states rights issue....That is why passed or not, expect a court challenge.....
 

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I couldn't understand your question. The wording is really weird.

Questions are simple
Background checks are already done.Yes- No??
How if it is law ( proposed changes) in 1 State is it unconstitutional if challenged all the way to SCOTUS?
SCOTUS makes the final ruling when challenged? Yes - No
The OP has a link, list what ones are or are not law in at least 1 State
 

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Doesn't the 10th amendment specifically lay out that things NOT covered by the Constitution are left to the states? In this case then the 2nd amendment would trump the states rights issue....That is why passed or not, expect a court challenge.....

If passed I would expect court challenges. Excepting where it is already law in other States and challenges have been ruled upon by SCOTUS.
 

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Questions are simple
Background checks are already done.Yes- No??
How if it is law ( proposed changes) in 1 State is it unconstitutional if challenged all the way to SCOTUS?
SCOTUS makes the final ruling when challenged? Yes - No
The OP has a link, list what ones are or are not law in at least 1 State

Read the amendment and tell me where any openings are. I'll be waiting.
 

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If passed I would expect court challenges. Excepting where it is already law in other States and challenges have been ruled upon by SCOTUS.

Those challenges haven't made it yet...But, it will be interesting to see....Also sad, because it means the dismantling the US Constitution.
 

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This is pretty funny- apparently a lot of people have no idea how the constitution works.

There is no valid interpretation of the constitution that suggests that the 18 states that already have UBC laws are in violation.

There are valid reasons to oppose state-level UBC, like that it's unenforceable without registration or that it's an invasion of privacy.

Of course, the questions of its federal constitutionality are ridiculous.
 

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Read the amendment and tell me where any openings are. I'll be waiting.
Not what I asked. Wait till doomsday for all I care.
 

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I am not a huge fan of UBC but am will to comprise.* If a CC permit is universally accepted in all 50 (or 59 if your an Obama fan) states then I am fine with reasonably priced background checks($20 max).* You get feel good for doing something and I get to feel safe traveling.

Protective order and confiscation is tricky.* I can support it but that would require a level of difficulty to obtain that would probably make it a no go for some.

Banning Large capacity mags are for show only.

The background check for ammo interests me.* Is it every time? ( a no from me)
Yearly?( still leaning to no but would offer that if CC permits recongnised* country wide)
The cost is troubling to me. If a pack of 50 rounds is $20 then take on a $80 background check fee is what I see as a backdoor ban.
 
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