I suppose it's possible that some serious bruising would have slowed him down. Or made him even crazier.
How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.
The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
The thing is Tuck, and what is more concerning than anything is that the criminal had the advantage, the innocents had the intention of watching the movie and he had the intention of harming the innocents but only the killer knew what he was going to do. While it is certainly true that he had the tactical advantage he could have been slowed or stopped by armed civilian, no guarantees on that of course.How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.
The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
I really do disagree with you here. This guy got off at least 71 deliberate shots. His weapon apparently wasn't firing on automatic. My common sense tells me that people who conceal carry are probably better than average shots and carry a weapon because they subliminally or overtly plan to use it if they have to.
As another poster mentioned, if this guy had quickly found he was taking gun fire, he wouldn't have been casually walking up and down the aisles firing at people. Even with body armor, I "think" a couple rounds to the chest is going to take ya' down. (I don't know that for sure, though.)
Largest zone, easiest target, most vital organs. For a leg, arm shot you must rely on either an artery hit or massive damage leading to a bleedout, same with an arm shot(though better chance of rendering the limb useless for further attacks. Head shots are very difficult for even trained shooters, however a direct center mass double or triple tap ups the odds.
It's a hell of a lot more than, "serious brusing". It hurts like a mo-fo. After a few hits, it may slow him down enough for him to be subdued, or he may retreat, or surrender.
I have a feeling he will go for the insanity defense, and based on his actions might get it, I hope it's not accepted as I am frankly sickened by this indiscriminate disregard for human life.I heard the same thing. Also heard (radio news) that he'd asked everybody to call him The Joker starting a week or so ago. If I understand it correctly, The Joker's "plan" was to get caught. Which is exactly what he let happen to himself. No resistance when the coppers showed up.
He also had an audio system in his apartment set to start playing super loud music and banging noises at about the same time he was shooting up the theater. They postulate that he expected someone in the apartment building to call the police, and that the police would break down the door...setting off his elaborate booby-traps killing them. (Someone did call the cops, btw.)
This guy was sane enough to come up with a very exacting plan...
How do we know they weren't carrying concealed? I haven't seen anything credible where anyone said "Golly, I had a bead on the guy but I just didn't have a weapon." The dude was wearing body armor. That makes making the shot far more difficult.
The idea that concealed carry would have saved lives in this situation is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence. Ft Hood was at place where access to firearms shouldn't be much of a problem, but there were similar numbers of casualties there. Even when shots were exchanged in that situation, by trained military, the problem wasn't solved right away.
I really do disagree with you here. This guy got off at least 71 deliberate shots. His weapon apparently wasn't firing on automatic. My common sense tells me that people who conceal carry are probably better than average shots and carry a weapon because they subliminally or overtly plan to use it if they have to.
As another poster mentioned, if this guy had quickly found he was taking gun fire, he wouldn't have been casually walking up and down the aisles firing at people. Even with body armor, I "think" a couple rounds to the chest is going to take ya' down. (I don't know that for sure, though.)
Serious bruising hurts. Of course how serious would depend on the type of armor, caliber of the weapon, and the type of load.
Honestly, though, I think that most of the cowboys suggesting this resistance would think twice about taking potshots at a guy in head-to-toe body armor popping off rounds with an AR-15.
It wouldn't make the shot more difficult. It would mean that you probably wouldn't kill him, however you could still make him stop shooting.
Except for MP's and a few other exceptions, it's against regulations for a soldier to carry a loaded weapon, on post. The scenario at Fort Hood purdy much guaranteed that everyone was unarmed.
I agree. A lot of people think the hollywood version of getting hit, issuing a curse word, and continuing on is the norm with those vests, not true. At over 20 yards sure it hurts like hell but at close quarters even a small handgun is hundreds of pounds of force transferred through the body, it's hard to stay on one's feet.Not from 10-15 feet. Not to slow him down. Maybe put him on the floor. His vision and awareness are compromised by the smoke and the mask. You could pop 4-5 rounds close range before he even knew where they came from.
My common sense tells me that most people with CC permits have never really been under fire before.
With these types of killers, they don't really care. Again, I'll cite Ft Hood. He was able to take out one of the people firing back at him.
The other side of that coin is, the bad guy might rethink his intentions when he's taking pot shots from a .45. That door swings both ways. Shot to the rib cage, even while wearing body armor can break ribs. Two, or three shattered ribs will put the toughest sum-bitch on his knees.
My common sense tells me that most people with CC permits have never really been under fire before.
Point 1: I've never been under fire before, but if god forbid that should ever happen there are two options, panic and get shot or find sufficient cover, fire back, and try to improve my odds.My common sense tells me that most people with CC permits have never really been under fire before.
With these types of killers, they don't really care. Again, I'll cite Ft Hood. He was able to take out one of the people firing back at him.
One patron said, he had his cellphone in hand as he went out the door... and he thought it odd because people tend to go out to the lobby to take calls.
that's not guaranteed.
Yet there was gunfire exchanged. And he hit the first person who returned fire. Twice. They didn't hit him.
Sergeant Mark Todd arrived and shouted commands at Hasan to surrender.[24] Todd said: "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."[30] The two exchanged shots, and Hasan was felled by five shots from Todd,[3][31] who then kicked his pistol out of his hand and placed him in handcuffs as he fell unconscious.[32]
Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yep. That really is the most important question which will not have a quick answer.Just a thought here, guys, while we're debating what kind of physical force the audience could have used to defend themselves: Wasn't the real problem with the shooter between his ears? What kind of a sick mofo DOES stuff like this anyway?
Doesn't hurt as much as an AR-15 round to the forehead.
Doesn't hurt as much as an AR-15 round to the forehead.
Reading stories like this makes me questioin humanity sometimes.
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