how does one advance relations by being insensitive?
we know how obama answers that---those who don't see things his way need to be drug tested
so the president hears the angst of the overwhelming majority of americans and new yorkers, including half of big apple's dems
and he responds by picking mr rauf as his state dept's emissary to muslim donors abroad
characteristic bony finger direct in the eye of american sentiment
when are you gonna move ksm downtown, mr president, before or after the mosque?
when are you gonna meet with the leaders of iran, before or after gitmo closes, dadt ends?
before or after you reachout and change the world?
this mosque will never be built
because, fundamentally, you can't "improve west-muslim relations" by being crass
August 9, 2010 - 7:01 PM | by: Jake Gibson
WASHINGTON– State Department officials on Monday confirmed Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, will soon be going on a trip of the Middle East and the U.S. government will be picking up the tab.
The planned construction of a mosque near Ground Zero in New York City has set off a contentious national debate over religious freedom in the U.S., drawing impassioned opposition from some families of 9/11 victims.
Rauf has emerged as a controversial figure because of his refusal to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization, which is how the U.S. government classifies the group. The imam also has been quoted as saying U.S. foreign policy was in part responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
\My feeling is, if they build there someone is going to re-enact 9/11 using the new Mosque as the target, and the builders of the Mosque will have reached their goal of inciting their followers to riot over the lack of tolerance and understanding of the American people.
The point is that a Muslim organization itself has spoken up saying it's insensitive. How insensitive are you that you don't get that Muslims expressing sensitivity would make a difference to a whole lot of sensitive people? Say that ten times fast.
When the **** did we have to become all touchy feely sensitive about everything?
Why didn't this story make mainstream media in the U.S.? It should be on the front page of the NY Times. I've been waiting for other Muslims to speak out against building that mosque. Surely this is a worthy story. Why hasn't it been covered here?
I don't know, Ikari. Ask those that are.
Why is it that people tend to agree with people that agree with them?Why is it that when a European has the temerity to disagree with how we do things here conservative voices shout them down and tell them to mind their own business, but when Canadians say something which satisfies the conservative agenda we're suddenly supposed to pay attention?
Why is it that when a European has the temerity to disagree with how we do things here conservative voices shout them down and tell them to mind their own business, but when Canadians say something which satisfies the conservative agenda we're suddenly supposed to pay attention?
Because who cares what someone from Canada has to say? LOLWhy didn't this story make mainstream media in the U.S.?
Which is exactly what the Iman of the proposed Mosque does.
From 2001 60 minutes interview.
Prominent American Muslims denounce terror committed in the name of Islam
So there you have it..... we brought it on ourselves, and we made bin Laden.
Ground Zero mosque bad idea: Canadian Muslims | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
Why didn't this story make mainstream media in the U.S.? It should be on the front page of the NY Times. I've been waiting for other Muslims to speak out against building that mosque. Surely this is a worthy story. Why hasn't it been covered here?
Why is it that people tend to agree with people that agree with them?
Gee, I don't know ...
Because journalism is dead. We have to dig for news that is being intentionly blacked out by the MSM. Once they silence Fox, talk radio, and take control of the internet we'll be Venezuela.
Number of guns and gun owners in USA.
Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun(thats about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for thier own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of american households owning 260 million guns).
there are about 80 million gun owners in America with a combining total of 258 million guns
I'm just curious why this has anything to do with conservatism. I do consider myself to be Conservative....but how does that apply to this issue? I don't get the connection. Are you saying that Liberals are neutral about the Mosque and only Conservatives express sensitivity about it? Link?? Hahahaha!! ;-)
I think what this article is illustrating is the fact that Muslims in the West fear another round of social persecution from those who will be upset by the new mosque. More than being concerned with offending New Yorkers, I would wager the real opposition in the Islamic faith comes from those who fear the building of the mosque will lead to an increasing of hostility towards Islam in the US as a whole.
No, I'm saying that conservatives typically discard the opinions of others who come from nations with more liberal politics on the basis that they don't know how things work in America . . . except now, when they say what the conservatives want them to. Suddenly we're supposed to care.
At least one moderate Muslim (saw her on O'Reilly) thinks it's a bad idea and insensitive to New Yorkers. I'm sure there are more and hope they come forward. I still imagine the left will side with the ones who want to build it no matter how many people come out against it.
Oh, I see. Link for that? ;-) ;-)
I think UHC is a perfect example of that, actually. When it suits "the opposition" -- be it conservative OR liberal, we'll cite their take on it. Good point.
Look around the forum. It's happened only about a billion times. It's not the citing of their take I'm taking issue with. It's when people dismiss the opinions of foreigners on the basis of ignorance (you're not from here, how could you know), only to welcome them welcome them with open arms if and only if they agree with them on the issue of the day.
At least one moderate Muslim (saw her on O'Reilly) thinks it's a bad idea and insensitive to New Yorkers. I'm sure there are more and hope they come forward. I still imagine the left will side with the ones who want to build it no matter how many people come out against it.
how does one advance relations by being insensitive?
we know how obama answers that---those who don't see things his way need to be drug tested
so the president hears the angst of the overwhelming majority of americans and new yorkers, including half of big apple's dems
and he responds by picking mr rauf as his state dept's emissary to muslim donors abroad
What do you mean by "be on their side"? If you mean that they will say they are well within their rights to build it; then perhaps. And that's a true statement; they are well within their rights to build it. There's nothing we can really do about it. I mean, people may not like it being built but can still support their right to build it.
I'm not sure that's a liberal/conservative thing. That's human nature.
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