GOP senators steer clear of Trump as rift deepens

[Chomsky]

Or laws allowing the outlaw GOPs to just change vote totals; but wait, there’s more …

Yes, there is! Sadly . . .

 

[Chomsky]

It was quite accurate, and she said it to a private audience. Ya, she should have been more careful, but come on, trump said what 1000 worse things? Where's the 1000 times worry about his behavior? (Not saying you're a fan of trump, but I think it's a mountain out of a molehill on Hillary).

Since when is another, the bar of one's personal standards? Especially, a guy like Trump?

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Or laws allowing the outlaw GOPs to just change vote totals; but wait, there’s more …

This is the real killer, which too many Democrats are not taking seriously enough.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

They aren't my Elites.

Yeah, they are.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No deflection. Just challenging the loon definition of a "rift"

Funny that you feel qualified to identify “loony”.

 

[Rawley]

Funny that you feel qualified to identify “loony”.

Check any of your media bias sites. Politico is clearly on the loon side.

 

[Linc]

I hope this rift grows. It would be fantastic to see two competent parties once again in the US.

I would vote for Hogan/Baker or vice-versa in 2024. The Biden VP choice will haunt Democrats through the 2024 elections.

 

[Linc]

Politico is left-leaning and it shows. There is clearly a divide in the Republican party between the leadership and the voters. Senators, including McConnell, tend to align with leadership. Voters tend to align with Trump.


You may not use the term deplorable but the elitist mindset that dismisses half the country is pervasive. The case can be made that contempt for rural America is the Democrat's version of open racism.


You are entitled to your own opinion but your own facts.
JP Moynahan


They won't abandon Trump but they may move past him. Bear in mind that this is Reagan's wing of the party and he has been gone almost 30 years.

I agree that Ted Cruz is very likely to be in the thick of the race. Hawley, not so much.


You're projecting again. Hatred is not the Republican's problem. Anger, yes.

The candidate does not matter nearly as much as the follow-through. Trump stood by his promises and received loyalty in return.


Romney was from the other faction, as was McCain.


You show a clear lack of understanding.

Facts have always had a way of being left-leaning, especially DIRECT QUOTES.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Check any of your media bias sites. Politico is clearly on the loon side.

I wasn’t referring to Politico.

Since you brought Politico up -

Politico - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Many, many checks have passed even the closest scrutiny for bias pollution in Politico’s reporting.

For your education -

 

[Craig234]

Since when is another, the bar of one's personal standards? Especially, a guy like Trump?

You missed the point. You go ahead and treat Hillary as worse than trump, and help trump get re-elected. We can't have a president who criticizes the insurrectionists. Only worry about that word. It wasn't super nice about the insurrectionists.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Check any of your media bias sites. Politico is clearly on the loon side.

If by loon you mean left center.

• Overall, we rate Politico Left-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

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Detailed Report​

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH

Politico - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[Rawley]

I wasn’t referring to Politico.

Since you brought Politico up -
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Politico - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

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Many, many checks have passed even the closest scrutiny for bias pollution in Politico’s reporting.

For your education -
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Well, that's the site where Chomsky got this loon story. Thanks for confirming they are on the loon side.

 

[Craig234]

That's what they did. They would have done it no matter what she said. Their entire goal was to whip up and amplify hatred for Hillary and try to play the victim card. She was spot on in what she said. Trump fanatics were motivated by hatred.

Since the Republican Party has no platform besides opposing every measure Democrats want to do in order to help the disadvantaged and try to move the country beyond racism, they have no positive ideas for improving America to draw support for. Instead, they reinforce negativity and exclusionary proposals such as saying no to addressing climate change and wasting money on a border wall to keep out the best and most motivated low wages workers.

Oh, they have a platform, they just won't say they do - plutocracy. All power for their donors, none for the voters, except to pander to their voters on culture war issues.

I responded to a post I think bought right into their propaganda.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Well, that's the site where Chomsky got this loon story. Thanks for confirming they are on the loon side.

They are left center and High for factual reporting.

Also known as a valid source.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Well, that's the site where Chomsky got this loon story. Thanks for confirming they are on the loon side.

Yep, and everyone knows not to trust @Chomsky.

 

[Peacenik]

Oh, they have a platform, they just won't say they do - plutocracy. All power for their donors, none for the voters, except to pander to their voters on culture war issues.

I responded to a post I think bought right into their propaganda.

Yep, lotsa that goin on.

If Republicans didn't have culture wars they wouldn't get enough voters to win anything.

It's like their deplorable gearshift is stuck on HATRED; and their brainclutch is smoked out, so they can't shift to another gear.

They're nice enough people otherwise. They just refuse to accept the beauty of diversity. They're afraid they might get shown up by new sets of eyes finding better ways to do things.

 

[Craig234]

They are left center and High for factual reporting.

The thing I don't like about the whole 'left right rating' thing is the false equivalency it implies on accuracy. 'Left' sources might promote advocacy for things like peace and anti-poverty and exposing wrongdoing by the right, but tends to be accurate; while 'right' sources are usually lying. But the rating implies 'if it's not 'center' it's lying'. They make some effort to address that but it still has that effect.

 

[j brown's body]

But Republicans are required to support a Republican President? How does that work?

Ex-president. They are required to support Mr. Trump, regardless of his position.

 

[Jay59]

Regardless of the source, I have no reason to believe the article in inaccurate. However, I took care and strived to present a conservatives, moderate, presentation of it, including even a 'Devil's Advocate' position at the end.

Not so much inaccurate as inflammatory and incomplete. It's an argument presented as an analysis.

But yes, McConnel's several recent 'stumpings' against Trump surprised me. As did the recent quip or two from DeSantis. Remember, McConnel doesn't care about Trump; he cares about his Senate.

McConnell has always been a swamp denizen.

I'd watch out for DeSantis, though. He's smart, shrewd, educated, and seems to have a good feel on the pulse of his base, much of which he shares with Trump. While I didn't believe so earlier, DeSantis several small insurgencies over Trump, with Trump backing down after some moderate (for him) rebuttal, leads me to believe it is possible DeSantis may rise-up against Trump. No idea if it's probable, but it is possible.

After Cruz, I think DeSantis is the main candidate.

What a detestable phrase, for a Presidential candidate to use! Why did HRC lose? That may encapsulate it! She wore her contempt, and her sense of entitlement, on her sleeve - displayed for all to see! Argh!

By itself, it was an encapsulation of HRC. The problem is that she was getting agreement from the rank and file of the party.

While the historical sins of racism have been far more heinous than what is occurring today in your 'rural America' observation, I do believe your argument is otherwise valid. And that is one of the components leading to Trump's rise, and HRC's loss.

I said it from the night of the '16 election . . .
"The Dems ceded the working-class blue-collar vote to the GOP, and it is going to be very hard to gain that back."

The word toxic has been used.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/02/17/the_brand_is_so_toxic_dems_fear_extinction_in_rural_us_147207.html

 

[Bullseye]

If that why you dislike the status quo, because you don't think they fight enough? Why does everything have to be a fight? So much anger!

I don't think you grasp the semantic of my use of "fighting".

 

[Bullseye]

Straight-up, I've seen few instances of a party leader keeping his party inline as strongly as Trump.

So you don't know Schumer very well, apparently.

Remember, we're talking about the party politicos here. If you were referring strictly to the rank & file voters, I'd agree. But the situation with the Republican party politicos is far different. Trump rules with an iron fist.

I'd argue Pelosi and Schumer are just as hard ass.

Yes, DeSantis is a 'possibility'. If Trump runs - which I believe he will - I still think the odds are less likely DeSantis will challenge him, than that he will. But, there is that possibility.

However in general & national terms, I do believe DeSantis is the more viable candidate to attain the Presidency. Trump is damaged goods, in that a large chunk of the electorate absolutely despises the guy. That's how he lost '16, and indeed I believe he helped sink the GOP Georgia Senate run-off.

I certainly will not count Trump out; that might be a fool's errand, as we've seen before. But, I do believe DeSantis is a better national candidate. However, the problem with a DeSantis nomination will be in motivating the Trump base to turn-out. Even with a Trump endorsement, I think the GOP would lose a sliver of the Trump base, which is a sliver they cannot afford to lose.

With the job Biden is doing we may need another Shane-like candidate to unscrew Biden's fubars.

Why do I say this last? Because as we see with vaccines, with some issues even Trump cannot simply 'flip-a switch' and flip his base. When he promoted vaccinating, his base rebelled.

Not exactly. The "base" has tons of self-reliance and individuality. The general mode I've seen is that it''s great he got the vaccine available but we'll make up our own minds.

If Trump doesn't run, he will lose some that would otherwise vote, and the GOP cannot afford to lose any votes. Remember, Trump managed to motivate some that did not normally vote due to apathy or disgust. They came-out for Trump himself, not for the GOP. Keeping that sliver of the Trump base motivated, without Trump running, I believe will be a difficult task - even with a Trump endorsement. In fact, I see this as somewhat analogous to the HRC loss, in that she couldn't hold-on to the Obama voters. Obama drew some voters that ordinarily would not vote, but who had gotten swept-up in his charisma and the historical nature of the candidacy. And, a sliver of those voters did not come-out for HRC.

IF it comes down to HRC you can bet that will bring lots of
GOPer out


[/QUOTE]

I beat you to it! Already scouting reviews. Thanks for the reference.

I just started a globe warming book so it's gonna be a while.

Ah . . . to be honest, I've always seen him as a grifter and a con, using other's money, constantly in & out of bankruptcy. His Presidency hasn't changed that opinion.



Likewise! I woke up to over a dozen DP 'quote replies', from overnight; I wouldn't be responding to yours, if I didn't believe your response displayed the very qualities you enumerated above. Thanks for the compliment!

My 'books to read' queue is huge! Measured in years! But if I get enthused, we may be a book club of two! However after remembering the huge depth of material left by P.J. O'Rourke, and being reminded of his journey from radical liberal to irreverent iconoclast conservative, I'm tempted to read a book of his essays where I've been told he touches on that journey.

Have you read "How the Hell Did this Happen" by O'Rourke?

I'm deeply saddened that Charles Krauthammer never got the chance to do his book chronically his journey from Liberalism to Conservatism, as it apparently was one of his upcoming tasks before his untimely death. He's one of my favorite pundits, and I'm sure I would have found it a fascinating read.

I enjoyed his work as well.

 

[Hamish Howl]

And yes...Trump is toxic to them because he doesn't work for their donors. He works for the American people.

 

[Perotista]

GOP senators steer clear of Trump as rift deepens

Senate Republicans want the former president's supporters, but some are avoiding him in a bid to make the midterms a referendum on Joe Biden’s leadership.

www.politico.com

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This is simply one article, with several 'name withheld' quotes from GOP Senators, and several Senators going on the record as to why they apparently 'snubbed' Trump.

I'll also add the effect described in the article appears be a midterm calculus, and I can make no claims about 2024.

However, some of us waiting/hoping for a fissure to occur between the GOP Congress and Trump, may find the article interesting.

Enjoy!

I think it’s a case for those senators running for reelection, they need Trump’s support for the GOP primaries or get primaried out. So, they at least, at a minimum pay lip service to Trump. But many Republican senators up for reelection realize they also need the independent vote to win in the general election. They must play the Youngkin game. Keep Trump happy while not being seen with him in order to leave the impression they’re not a Trumper among independents. Independents still don’t like Trump much.

What’s interesting here in Georgia is Kemp, who refused to find the votes Trump wanted him to and now on Trump’s doo doo list is leading Trump endorsed and personally chosen candidate Perdue in the GOP primary for the senate nomination. I don’t know how long this will last, but interesting considering your article.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/governor/ga/georgia_governor_republican_primary-7402.html

 

[j brown's body]

I don't think you grasp the semantic of my use of "fighting".

What do you mean when you say "fighting with the gloves off."

 

[bongsaway]

Yeah - but it was a crappy thing to say about her fellow Americans, especially given she was a Presidential candidate.

After all the miserable things trump said during the debates we harp on hillary for calling them deplorables. Her mistake in my opinion was not sticking to her guns and to keep calling them deplorables.