GOP seeks alternative to overtime pay

[Polaris!]

Actually, I'm more in line with imagep here that ultimately we have to either eliminate the sales tax, which would certainly curtail some of the necessary functions of local governments, or we have to charge the same or similar, and hurt the little man. Sucks doesn't it? Yeah, technology is leveling the playing field. Now to examine the machinations of Google.

...I'm not so sure technology is leveling the playing field as much as it is creating a new playing field where unless highly regulated brick and mortar will never be able to compete...It seems like I've watched technology eliminate more blue collar middle class jobs than its created for the last twenty years...IMO this is causing a lot of unrest...Previously you could become skilled by working at it, now it seems like some sort of higher education is required (not that this is a bad thing), but this is still holding back a large portion of the public...

 

[jwzg]

...I'm not so sure technology is leveling the playing field as much as it is creating a new playing field where unless highly regulated brick and mortar will never be able to compete...It seems like I've watched technology eliminate more blue collar middle class jobs than its created for the last twenty years...IMO this is causing a lot of unrest...Previously you could become skilled by working at it, now it seems like some sort of higher education is required (not that this is a bad thing), but this is still holding back a large portion of the public...

Not so sure. Example: my wife is taking 3 online courses that are from Univ. of Melbourne, U. Penn, and Univ. of Michigan. All are identical to the courses that paying university students take, but they do not have the feedback from the instructors. Interestingly enough, those who stick with the courses get the same skills, but not the same credentials. Now, my wife will go take the CFA test and she is managing our own finances well as a result. Most people are figuring out that one does not have to have spend $100,000 on an MBA in order to gain the skills to run a business which is really going to take a huge bite out of the academic "industry". Believe it or not, the earth is becoming flatter by the minute.

 

[Polaris!]

Not so sure. Example: my wife is taking 3 online courses that are from Univ. of Melbourne, U. Penn, and Univ. of Michigan. All are identical to the courses that paying university students take, but they do not have the feedback from the instructors. Interestingly enough, those who stick with the courses get the same skills, but not the same credentials. Now, my wife will go take the CFA test and she is managing our own finances well as a result. Most people are figuring out that one does not have to have spend $100,000 on an MBA in order to gain the skills to run a business which is really going to take a huge bite out of the academic "industry". Believe it or not, the earth is becoming flatter by the minute.

...I started a business with the help of friends in the industry that believed in my abilities, unfortunately my "friends" at the bank didn't believe in my abilities even with a big pile of cash in my account...Do you think they would have believed in me if I had an MBA, or even a BA?...What's even more funny imo is that employers will deal with people who have no practical experience over someone with real world experience...A large portion of society doesn't learn well in the classroom structure and have no resources which limits their access to those good paying middle class jobs...imo

 

[jwzg]

Doesn't take that to run an eBay business. Just an email address, a PayPal account and a bank account. The principles of running a business are the same, big or small. The fact is that what used to take thousands of dollars in R&D, brick and mortar, advertising and inventory management now happen with the click of a mouse (or tap on a screen). Heck, I can even use a 3D printer to make guns now! With skills, one can create wealth instead of borrowing it or waiting on government to pass favorable policy. This is why I'm wondering why the hell our government is spending time worrying about overtime laws rather than helping individuals to become more productive and profitable for themselves. It must have something to do with that corporate influence on government.

...I started a business with the help of friends in the industry that believed in my abilities, unfortunately my "friends" at the bank didn't believe in my abilities even with a big pile of cash in my account...Do you think they would have believed in me if I had an MBA, or even a BA?...What's even more funny imo is that employers will deal with people who have no practical experience over someone with real world experience...A large portion of society doesn't learn well in the classroom structure and have no resources which limits their access to those good paying middle class jobs...imo

 

[Polaris!]

Doesn't take that to run an eBay business. Just an email address, a PayPal account and a bank account. The principles of running a business are the same, big or small. The fact is that what used to take thousands of dollars in R&D, brick and mortar, advertising and inventory management now happen with the click of a mouse (or tap on a screen). Heck, I can even use a 3D printer to make guns now! With skills, one can create wealth instead of borrowing it or waiting on government to pass favorable policy. This is why I'm wondering why the hell our government is spending time worrying about overtime laws rather than helping individuals to become more productive and profitable for themselves. It must have something to do with that corporate influence on government.

...What kind of job market does online business support?...I'm not sure how much it influences production, if at all...Those brick and mortar salespeople we don't need anymore don't even have any hours to worry about anymore...I just don't know...As we rely on technology more and more all I see is a downward spiral...Technology improves production and reduces the need for skilled blue collar labor reducing the middle class...Giant box stores close small businesses, killing more middle class jobs and creating lower paying jobs...The cost benefit of tech is costing many and benefitting few imo...I'm as confused as ever as to what's the future is going to be...

 

[jwzg]

That's why there are educators like us to make sure our students understand how to learn vs. waiting on someone to make them a mindless drone for a company (or govt) that will ditch them at the drop of a hat whenever the economy gets tough.
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[presluc]

Unskilled labor is needed, it's why some people are trying to find a way for unskilled laborers to both not get outsourced, but also pay a survivable wage.

Ok, what would you consider a survival wage based on the cost of living in America today, how much an hour?eace

 

[presluc]

I DETEST governments meddling in the private sector - outside of enforcing basic laws and health/safety concerns.

But, so long as this is just giving people more choices...then I am for it.

Well, since government is already dealing with private corporations like research grants , bailouts when hard times hits, and giving tax cuts for the rich for paying taxes.
Why not make a deal, every corporation that gets research grants hires American workers, every tax cut given to a CEO his company hires American workers , if not take 50% of what they get from the government for tax revenue..eace

 

[presluc]

...I'm not so sure technology is leveling the playing field as much as it is creating a new playing field where unless highly regulated brick and mortar will never be able to compete...It seems like I've watched technology eliminate more blue collar middle class jobs than its created for the last twenty years...IMO this is causing a lot of unrest...Previously you could become skilled by working at it, now it seems like some sort of higher education is required (not that this is a bad thing), but this is still holding back a large portion of the public...

You know I keep hearing about technology eliminating blue collar jobs, I have to question that.

1. We had technology in 1995, outsourcing wasn't this bad.
2. If technology is eliminating blue collar unskilled labor jobs, why are they being outsourced?
3 Finally why do I buy an American product label and it says MADE IN CHINA, MADE IN JAPAN, MADE IN MEXICO who made this product?

If it is true that technology is making these parts,HAVE WE NO TECHNOLOGY IN AMERICA THAT CAN DO THE SAME WORK?

So why waste money and oil going back and forth to drop off unfinished parts and pick up finished parts.?
I thought the American people were told to conserve oil?eace

 

[DA60]

Well, since government is already dealing with private corporations like research grants , bailouts when hard times hits, and giving tax cuts for the rich for paying taxes.
Why not make a deal, every corporation that gets research grants hires American workers, every tax cut given to a CEO his company hires American workers , if not take 50% of what they get from the government for tax revenue..eace

I have another idea...how about governments NEVER bail out, lend to or take over another company again...no matter how big?

 

[presluc]

I have another idea...how about governments NEVER bail out, lend to or take over another company again...no matter how big?

Throw in the tax cuts for the rich, the research grants, and the special interest contracts ya got a deal.eace

 

[MoSurveyor]

Throw in the tax cuts for the rich, the research grants, and the special interest contracts ya got a deal.eace

IDK - I kind of like the research grants in place. It one of the clubs I use to beat the corporatists over the head with.

 

[presluc]

IDK - I kind of like the research grants in place. It one of the clubs I use to beat the corporatists over the head with.

Perhaps I should word this a different way.

All most Americans that hit the unemployment line after Manufacturing got outsourced as did electronics, and other industries. want jobs to work and make a living., and pay taxes
As far as everything else, the rich always has gotten the lions share of money circulation in America we all know that.

Even after bringing back jobs to America they still would, tax cuts would still go out, research grants would still be paid, special interest contracts going to the rich would still be honored .
The only difference it would come from American workers paying taxes instead of printing more money and praying like Hell nothing bad happens financially while sliding deeper in debt.eace

 

[DA60]

Throw in the tax cuts for the rich, the research grants, and the special interest contracts ya got a deal.eace

Fine...except, I believe everyone should pay the same tax rate.

However, I will include that for capital gains now as well (which is where the truly rich make by far the largest portion of their money).

 

[KevinKohler]

Ok, what would you consider a survival wage based on the cost of living in America today, how much an hour?eace

Considering that low skilled labor is becoming the primary job market in this country, how much an hour do YOU think the driving forc e behind the American economy should be paid?

 

[molten_dragon]

I don't really understand this article. How does it need to be expanded to the private sector? I know a lot of private sector companies that already do this. It's not like it's illegal or anything. If companies want to do it, they already can.

As long as it's optional, I don't have a problem with it. It will work for some people, but not for others. It works okay if people are only working occasional overtime, and few hours here or there. If people are consistently working 50-60 hour weeks, that system kind of breaks down, since it could wind up with someone having months of extra vacation time a year, which they probably won't be able to take, since they're busy enough to work 50-60 hours a week.

 

[jwzg]

Perhaps I should word this a different way.

All most Americans that hit the unemployment line after Manufacturing got outsourced as did electronics, and other industries. want jobs to work and make a living., and pay taxes
As far as everything else, the rich always has gotten the lions share of money circulation in America we all know that.

Even after bringing back jobs to America they still would, tax cuts would still go out, research grants would still be paid, special interest contracts going to the rich would still be honored .
The only difference it would come from American workers paying taxes instead of printing more money and praying like Hell nothing bad happens financially while sliding deeper in debt.eace

...and you don't think the rich know how to take advantage of grants too?

The rich get rich because of risk...the poor get poorer, by and large, because politicians have convinced them to value security over freedom and innovation. All the MORE reason for us to encourage SMALL businesses and individuals in leveraging technology to improve marketability and productivity while keeping the fruits of their labor.

 

[Polaris!]

You know I keep hearing about technology eliminating blue collar jobs, I have to question that.

1. We had technology in 1995, outsourcing wasn't this bad.
2. If technology is eliminating blue collar unskilled labor jobs, why are they being outsourced?
3 Finally why do I buy an American product label and it says MADE IN CHINA, MADE IN JAPAN, MADE IN MEXICO who made this product?

If it is true that technology is making these parts,HAVE WE NO TECHNOLOGY IN AMERICA THAT CAN DO THE SAME WORK?

So why waste money and oil going back and forth to drop off unfinished parts and pick up finished parts.?
I thought the American people were told to conserve oil?eace

...But once the job has been outsourced is it still a middle class blue collar job?...If we bring those jobs back the cost of production has to go up doesn't it?...We can't live on the wages payed in a third world country...I don't think the transportation costs will cover the increase in wages and other costs of production that are a lot higher here...

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Except that it does not define regular.

Hence why the question arises.

Yes it does. It is what you currently make per hour. Geeze it should be obvious even to a child.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Not here, at least not near me. Just what percent of modern homes in America do you think are pre-fab?

About 5%.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Grasping at straws, aren't you?

No. You seem to be though.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

I don't really understand this article. How does it need to be expanded to the private sector? I know a lot of private sector companies that already do this. It's not like it's illegal or anything. If companies want to do it, they already can.

They are doing it because it is not legal to offer instead of OT. Right now it you offer comp time instead of paying OT you can be sued for violating wage laws even if the employee agreed, and wanted, to take the comp time because the law says you have to be paid OT if you work over a certain number of hours.

It is a completely optional choice to be made by the employee. I don't see why anyone who isn't completel paranoid would object to it.

 

[molten_dragon]

They are doing it because it is not legal to offer instead of OT. Right now it you offer comp time instead of paying OT you can be sued for violating wage laws even if the employee agreed, and wanted, to take the comp time because the law says you have to be paid OT if you work over a certain number of hours.

It is a completely optional choice to be made by the employee. I don't see why anyone who isn't completel paranoid would object to it.

Really? I never knew that. I wonder if it's common to do it under the table then, because I know several companies that do offer comp time instead of overtime. Or offer the option of either one.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Really? I never knew that. I wonder if it's common to do it under the table then, because I know several companies that do offer comp time instead of overtime. Or offer the option of either one.

Most people wouldn't make an issue over it if that is what they agreed to but the law doesn't provide for any exceptions. If you work OT, and are covered by the Fair Wage law, you have to be paid for it.

 

[Zalatix]

Good deal. The greater the range of agreements that we allow between employers an employees, the more of both will be able to come to mutually beneficial arrangements.

Do you have ANY historical proof of this actually happening?