GOP Security Advisers: No Trump

[calamity]

Ummm...

I don't get the connection.

In any case, I don't go to Starbucks for anything.

No worries....as another one bites the dust. :lol:

My conclusion about Mr. Trump’s unsuitability for office is based on his disregard for the precept of treating others with respect, an idea that should transcend politics. Instead, he opts to mock the vulnerable and inflame prejudices by attacking ethnic and religious minorities. Three incidents in particular have led me to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Trump lacks the temperament, self-discipline and judgment required to be president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...1095be-5d7e-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html

 

[Mycroft]

Well you don't know what you are missing mate.

The Double Chocolately Chip Frappuccino is to ****ing die for.

shrug...

3 fried eggs, 2 big sausage patties, half a plate of hash browns and two slices of sourdough toast slathered in butter is to die for...and, like that frappuccino thing...will probably kill me.

I'm only half serious. The drink is only 270 mg's of sodium for the 16 oz. serving, but that is more than 1/10th of my daily sodium restriction. Like the breakfast, I've learned to stay away from that stuff.

 

[joG]

You honestly think they'd release something like this if Rubio or Cruz had won the primary? How many republicans have to openly admit that Trump isn't capable before it's obvious to everyone?

You would have done it in pink instead of black? I will admit that this is politically somewhat incorrect.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am so glad these clowns can get themselves organized for something.

Given the recent achievements of the US Security Elite, both the D and the R divisions, this is indeed an accomplishment.

:sarcasticclap

 

[calamity]

Ummm...

I don't get the connection.

In any case, I don't go to Starbucks for anything.

Right, because you probably get your coffee from a gas station like you seek security advice from Ivanka's handbag holder.

 

[roughdraft274]

You would have done it in pink instead of black? I will admit that this is politically somewhat incorrect.

Not even sure what the pink is for?


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[tres borrachos]

Would these be the same (excellent character, values and experience) GOP security advisors that got us into a multi-trillion dollar, decades long, military and nation building fiasco in the ME and SW Asia?

The NY Times seems to be quite selective in when these folks make wise, correct and brilliant recommendations.

No. For instance, Tom Ridge was a former Governor of Pennsylvania and the first Director of Homeland Security, and served in that role for 4 years. His job was to prevent another 9/11 after 9/11. Which we all know he did. He was not involved in the invasion decisions.

 

[tres borrachos]

Right, because experts in national security have absolutely no idea about security. Better to ask some uneducated moron who falls for Trump's latest slogan of the day.

You apparently aren't getting it. Trump knows everything there is to know about the economy, because....well, he built big buildings and golf courses. No need to actually see any kind of details, financials, or anything of that nature. He said he's an expert, so he's an expert!

Now here we have 50 people, many of whom spent their entire lives in national security roles. Studied it, lived it, some made mistakes, some didn't. But they don't know anything! Nothing!

Please try to keep up.

 

[MaggieD]

This will leave a mark.

Unbelievable.

If Trump supporters don't understand there is a consistent effort to disenfranchise them, they are naive. Neither side of the aisle wants an outsider. And perhaps that is just what we need.

 

[haymarket]

Faint praise, indeed!

“He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood,” the letter says. “He does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous qualities in an individual who aspires to be president and commander in chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.”

Okay - but other than being a racist demagogue with strong authoritarian tendencies fueled by a mental disposition to narcissism and rather thin skin with an inability to absorb policy information and has an almost instinctive hate of learning anything new - what are the mans bad points?

 

[joG]

Not even sure what the pink is for?


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Just a thought that I had watching the intensely pink Whities walk by on their way back from the beach.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No. For instance, Tom Ridge was a former Governor of Pennsylvania and the first Director of Homeland Security, and served in that role for 4 years. His job was to prevent another 9/11 after 9/11. Which we all know he did. He was not involved in the invasion decisions.

Hmm...

In running the department, Mr. Ridge also strongly espoused Mr. Bush's view that the best way to protect the nation was to root out terrorists overseas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/01/p...-color-alerts-and-mixed-security-reviews.html

 

[calamity]

Unbelievable.

If Trump supporters don't understand there is a consistent effort to disenfranchise them, they are naive. Neither side of the aisle wants an outsider. And perhaps that is just what we need.

If the "outsider" wasn't a four-time bankrupt, buffooon who panders to the lowest common denominator, vilifying minorities while poking fun at the disabled, he'd probably be a lot more popular with the general population, not just barely 1/2 the Republicans. Just saying.

 

[MaggieD]

If the "outsider" wasn't a four-time bankrupt, buffooon who panders to the lowest common denominator, vilifying minorities while poking fun at the disabled, he'd probably be a lot more popular with the general population, not just barely 1/2 the Republicans. Just saying.

And yet he won the nomination.

 

[calamity]

Hmm...



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/01/p...-color-alerts-and-mixed-security-reviews.html

One thing I actually agreed with W on: rooting out terrorists overseas. If only he hadn't decided to look for them in Iraq, where there were none, we'd be in good shape today.

 

[calamity]

And yet he won the nomination.

Says a lot for the sad state of the GOP, IMO. The lowest common denominator seems to have flocked to it.

 

[MaggieD]

Says a lot for the sad state of the GOP, IMO. The least common denominator seems to have flocked to it.

What does that even mean? Is that a Dem talking point?

 

[calamity]

You apparently aren't getting it. Trump knows everything there is to know about the economy, because....well, he built big buildings and golf courses. No need to actually see any kind of details, financials, or anything of that nature. He said he's an expert, so he's an expert!

Now here we have 50 people, many of whom spent their entire lives in national security roles. Studied it, lived it, some made mistakes, some didn't. But they don't know anything! Nothing!

Please try to keep up.

Stunning. I know. Expertise is a handicap in the minds of these people.

 

[calamity]

What does that even mean? Is that a Dem talking point?

Dem talking points? Nah. Trump supporters provide plenty of talking points on their own.

 

[polgara]

Okay - but other than being a racist demagogue with strong authoritarian tendencies fueled by a mental disposition to narcissism and rather thin skin with an inability to absorb policy information and has an almost instinctive hate of learning anything new - what are the mans bad points?

Greetings, haymarket. :2wave:

:thumbs: :lamo

 

[haymarket]

And yet he won the nomination.

Yes - because the GOP primary electorate is perhaps 15% or so of the November electorate and skews farther right than the normal electorate does.

Its not the same pool at all and permits somebody like Trump to win because the playing field is entirely different.

 

[haymarket]

Greetings, haymarket. :2wave:

:thumbs: :lamo

Greetings right back at you Polgara. :2wave:eace

 

[calamity]

Here’s a running list of Republicans who are opposing Donald Trump | Fusion

 

[blaxshep]

Yes - because the GOP primary electorate is perhaps 15% or so of the November electorate and skews farther right than the normal electorate does.

Its not the same pool at all and permits somebody like Trump to win because the playing field is entirely different.

What?

 

[haymarket]

What?

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Republican Popular Vote

Primary turnout for 2016 high but not quite a record | Pew Research Center

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

There were roughly 125 million votes cast for President in the 2012 election.

In the 2016 GOP primary process, Trump got 13,300,000 votes. What that means is that just over 10% of the number of voters who cast votes for President in 2012, got Trump the nomination in 2016.

Because the pool is much smaller, the process allows a Trump to win even though he is a disaster in the general election with a much smaller electorate.

Consider that some 30 million people voted in the GOP primaries in 2016 and that is less than 25% of the general election voting group. So my "15% or so" was a bit understated. But even taking it up to 23 or 24% - its still true that the smaller body permits a Trump to emerge as the primary winner when he is a disaster in the general when far more people vote.